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Author Topic: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?  (Read 126908 times)

Offline JouleSeeker

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1050 on: February 18, 2012, 06:28:22 PM »
  Thanks for bringing the discussion back to the thread topic, .99. 

  I recall having looked at this approach (without LED or diode in the output leg of the circuit) some time ago, but I'm certainly willing to take another look.  I'm in the middle of another project at the moment, but plan on some new observations early next week.

Thanks again,
Steve

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1051 on: February 21, 2012, 06:49:35 AM »
Sorry to interject with some on-topic subject matter, but I thought it might be worthwhile seeing that the GL/SJ Joule Thief runs perfectly fine without a diode or LED in series with the load. I've made this simulation with a 100 Ohm resistive load.

I also have this running with your component tweaks, where Rload is 9.8k, Rb is 2k, V2 is 3V, and the series battery resistor (R6) is 3.1 Ohms.

Steve, I would encourage you to try this and see if:

a) it still runs,
b) it still gives you a COP>1 measurement.

Regards,
.99

@.99:  OK, I've removed the LED, as you suggested.  It rings, although there are significant changes as we shall see.  (I note that you posted your question on OUR.com also; so I'm responding both places you posted.)

 Photo shows the scope traces for V across Rload -- left is with LED in, right is with LED removed.  Clearly the scope trace changes -- the frequency goes from 152.1 kHz with LED to 182.5kHz without LED, Vpp goes from 2.22 V to 4.44 V (note that the scale left is 0.5 V/div and 1 V/div on the right).  Of course, the pattern changes dramatically as one can see.

  Conditions:  Rload is 986ohms, Rb = 48.6k.  Vbatt = 1.62V.  Then I replaced the battery with a 10,000 uF cap to provide the input energy -- permitting a straightforward determination of the INPUT ENERGY (without using a DSO).  Thus, I like to use a cap for the input energy rather than a battery -- this also permits rapid comparisons when changes are made in the circuit.   (The second photo shows the circuit running off a 10,000 uF cap.  It is now a very straightforward circuit.)

For example, with the 10,000 uF cap charged initially to 1.62V, the LED glows for 46 seconds then the circuit continues to "ring" as seen on the DSO for a total of 1min 44s.  (The scope pattern, V across Rload, changes about the time the LED goes "out", but the circuit continues to ring as seen on the scope.)

Same conditions except removing the LED, the scope shows that the circuit rings for a lesser time = 51 seconds.

So, yes, the circuit changes quite dramatically without the LED, but still rings.

Now, .99, you said with this change,
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Measuring Pout now becomes a lot easier.

If you will then explain how you would measure Pout with this change, I'll do it and calculate Eout/Ein.
 
I'm looking forward to your suggestion for Pout; thanks.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1051 on: February 21, 2012, 06:49:35 AM »

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1052 on: February 24, 2012, 04:57:41 PM »
The problem is presented, (very good way of presenting it) ... possibly one approach might be to declare the variables.
As a thought wondered if this article titled "How to measure spectrum" going down to subheading
"Resolving Power versus Spectral Coverage" Drawing attention to what is not seen on an oscilloscope but
can be represented across a range of EM spectra.
http://fuse.pha.jhu.edu/~wpb/spectroscopy/measure.html

my thinking, that regardless of how the circuit is terminated and sensed
the complete output needs to be declared.

In this software the dispersion of spectra can be adjusted. 

http://www.spectraplus.com/screenshot_DT_main.htm
A composite of these:
http://www.spectraplus.com/screenshot_spectrum.htm

Finally the software might be modified further to show a summation or combination of these. 
If presented in a meaningful way could reveal some trace of what we are missing.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2012, 01:53:14 AM by dimbulb »

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1053 on: April 08, 2012, 08:08:12 PM »

Sorry for the lack of postings lately...  My wife and I are in Maryland helping our daughter with the arrival of a wonderful grand-daughter!  she was born last week; some complications, but both doing fine now.

I came across a very good vid, Michael Faraday, on PBS -- and it shows his homopolar motor at the end, the very first motor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVDHKKTC4tA

I'm doing some research on Faraday's paradox now... based on the homopolar motor / generator.

Next, a short vid showing some budding scientists -- grandchildren!   There should be a certain child-like curiosity and joy as we undertake experiments in freedom energy, IMO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itXT8H5EXoo&feature=youtu.be

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1054 on: April 13, 2012, 11:55:39 PM »

Hi Prof. Jones,

Thanks for the vid about Michael Faraday.

Unfortunately, this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itXT8H5EXoo&feature=youtu.be
Seems to be private. :'(

Gwella Gourhemennou

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1055 on: April 28, 2012, 02:18:26 AM »
Sorry, Nerzh, for the slow response.  I've been traveling -- just greeted our 10th grand-child to the world!  and what a world it is.  Would be much better with freedom energy!

Here's the link, to see the budding scientists:  http://youtu.be/itXT8H5EXoo   
 This rising generation needs our help and attention!

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1056 on: April 28, 2012, 03:41:30 AM »

Hi JouleSeeker,

Yes, IMO, the world sucks (an huge lot).

10th grand-child?

For my part, I keep on trying. OU-wise.

This rising generation is, fortunately, very + witty and very +  conscious.

Just wondering whether it was not *we* that need their help and attention.
Almost kidding. :P

Very Best from Brest Brittany.

PS and BTW:
http://youtu.be/itXT8H5EXoo   
Yet Another Private Vid? (YAPV)?

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1056 on: April 28, 2012, 03:41:30 AM »

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1057 on: April 28, 2012, 03:25:56 PM »
Nerzh, pls try the video once more... I hope the "repair" stays in place!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itXT8H5EXoo&feature=youtu.be

And you're right -- the rising generation is " very + witty and very +  conscious"!


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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1057 on: April 28, 2012, 03:25:56 PM »

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1058 on: May 03, 2012, 05:13:36 PM »
A variant of the blocking oscillator circuit is provided by Lasersaber:

 lasersaber jouleringer2 :  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=homZvbKZHlU   and http://laserhacker.com/SuperJouleRinger2.html
 
 lidmotor build of above:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0fCQghOQ-E&feature=uploademail

Congratulations Lasersaber, Lidmotor et al. on a very fun circuit!


  Replicator Peanutbutter291 provides a first estimate of Power out versus Power in with the New JouleRinger circuit:
Super Joule Ringer Light output comparisons, Info, improvements, etc. Part 1 - YouTube

He uses a light meter to first verify that a 7.5 W LED bulb (120V bulb) puts out 490-500 lumens, as advertised with this particular bulb.
Then he drives 7 bulbs, at full output this would be 7 x 7.5W = 52.5W. 

First run, he gets 85% of full brightness, so 52.5W x 0.85 = 44.6W is his estimated Pout.
The power supply is at this time providing 1.55A at 12V = 18.6 W input.
Efficiency is roughly 44.6/18.6 ~ 2.4; interesting though still a rather crude measure at this point.

Second run, with choke added in series with the load,
 he gets 78% of full brightness, so 52.5W x 0.78 = 40.95 W is his estimate Pout.
The power supply is at this time providing 1.52A at 11.5V = 17.48W input.
Efficiency is roughly 41/17.5 ~ 2.3; again interesting.

Attachments show from his (long) vid the calculations of Pout and Pin, along with his revised circuit diagram.
Note that he first adds bias through a resistor to the base, to get the ringing started, and for the second run he adds a choke.

Thanks and congrats for a fun little circuit!
Steven Jones

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1059 on: May 06, 2012, 07:30:25 PM »
 Michael Faraday invented the world's first electrical motor in 1821 in England, now called the "homopolar motor."   I put together various versions as we visited family from Maryland to Missouri to Utah in the last several weeks.  Fun and educational.  Perhaps you will find something that YOU would like to build.  It's quite easy (see videos) and fascinating to study.     The simplest version, shown in the first segment, requires just one 1-inch diameter disk magnet with conducting coating (about 3 mm thick), a 9" piece of 14-gauge wire, and a battery (C-cell or AA-cell is best).   You can buy the needed neodymium/rare earth magnet(s) from supermagnetman.com and other sources.  I went to a hardware store to get the copper wire -- pulled one wire out of ordinary electrical wiring for a house. Note the ground wire has no insulation and is easiest to use. 
Also, I recommend that you learn more about Michael Faraday and his discoveries!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfKzleMWE60

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1060 on: May 06, 2012, 07:57:16 PM »
Nice Vid  ;]

That was the first time Ive seen the battery and mag in motion. Spins up good for the distance from the loop(white wire demo) It would be interesting to see how far the wire loop could be away from the suspended Batt/mag and still spin up like that. Maybe just spin the mag, without the battery as part of the armature.  ;]  I got some ideas from this. Thanks

If you look deep enough, you will find that the first electric cars are from the mid to late 1830s. In fact, they could do 100 miles per charge at 15 to 20 mph.

When the gas engines arrived, the people didnt like the new noisy, smokey carriages compared to the electric counterparts, which had been around over 50 years at the time.

Even the history channel got it wrong The History Of Cars.  Why would they not have come across accurate "history" of these facts? Whats the issue against electric cars?

Its funny. The first car dealership in the world, was an electric car dealership. ;]

Mags n The Moonies   ;]

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« Reply #1061 on: May 06, 2012, 09:39:44 PM »

Hi Prof. Jones,

I have already "built" another version of this homopolar motor.
This version: "Faraday Motor demonstration"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=k7JTyRBfeF4

I use a nail and a bigger magnet. It works very well! You can amaze your friends (should one of them be a 'know it all' skeptic scientist).

Mainstream Science is just avoiding some very simple 'garage' experiments, and hence, ignoring some very simple evidences.

BTW? "Centrifugal force - is it OU?"
http://www.overunity.com/12194/centrifugal-force-is-it-ou/msg317221/
Officially it is not. Of course.

Very Best

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« Reply #1062 on: May 07, 2012, 04:22:07 AM »
Thanks for the comments and encouragement, Mags and Nerzh.

  What a fun little motor!

  Soon, I plan to turn my attention to the homopolar generator.... 
I like the vid where the fellow has two ring magnets on either side of a conducting disk, and he spins it with a drill.
Pretty decent output -- should have high DC current with low voltage.  This I could send into the joule-thief variant, to give me much higher voltage (and lower current).  See? 

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« Reply #1063 on: May 07, 2012, 05:20:04 AM »
Hi Prof. Jones,

First of all. Did you receive my email (about one parcel)?

Else:
Should I have missed something?

"I like the vid where the fellow has two ring magnets on either
side of a conducting disk, and he spins it with a drill."

I'm not aware of such a vid with 2 magnets and a drill.
Sorry.

Very Best

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1064 on: May 07, 2012, 06:17:21 PM »
Bonjour, Nerzh --
Oui, I look forward to receiving your parcel!  will let you know when it arrives.
This vid was interesting:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75p5JwlXwlo

http://gigagauss.com Testing this farady paradox generator, both ali and magnets spin together and generate electron flow to the rim of the disc, i managed to get 1.2 volts at 400rpm out of this once i had finalised the conection points

I would be surprised if he actually got 1.2 V at 400rpm... sounds high to me! 
He uses microwave oven magnets... good idea.

Please let me know how your Centrifugal force expts go...   !


Steve

 

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