Author Topic: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ? (Read 920564 times)

profitis · « **Reply #1290 on:** July 23, 2014, 09:04:00 PM »

Take a lump of gadolinium on a cool day (19 deg c),shove it under a magnet..the gadolinium jumps up,collides with the magnet and heats up a bit over 19 degrees c,its curie point,what happens now?what happens now?what happens now?wooooooooo...spoooky

synchro1 · « **Reply #1291 on:** July 23, 2014, 11:42:36 PM »

"This new approach confirmed that the relationship between the maximum adiabatic temperature change ( ΔT peak) and the applied magnetic field is perfectly linear".

synchro1 · « **Reply #1292 on:** July 23, 2014, 11:53:38 PM »

Aeronautics Corporation has now demonstrated the first room temperature, permanent-magnet based rotary magnetic refrigerator. The rotary design consists of a wheel containing gadolinium and a strong permanent magnet. The wheel passes through a gap in the magnet where the magnetic field is concentrated, and the gadolinium heats up. While still in the field, water is circulated to draw the heat out of the material and reject the heat through the hot heat exchanger. As the material leaves the magnetic field, it cools further. While the material is out of the field, a stream of water is cooled by the material and circulated through the refrigerator's cold heat exchanger, removing heat from the object to be cooled.

d3x0r · « **Reply #1293 on:** July 23, 2014, 11:55:02 PM »

@jouleseeker

Here's a video that shows non-latching too... (tape wound core doesn't hold field)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHbQXnXK6Xc

Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsN2sr3U0PY (has a bit that transfers the 'holding' energy from the secondary back to the primary)
Also shows that the resistive loss in the wire eventually kills the current in the closed-loop secondary ...

And some flux gate switching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9HyyGdnmb0

synchro1 · « **Reply #1294 on:** July 24, 2014, 12:35:07 AM »

Adding the magnets to the C core, as in the flux gate switching video, would double the adiabatic heating and cooling of the lower core, for the same latching and demagnetization cost! The graph above shows that doubling the magnetic force, doubles the temperature differential!

profitis · « **Reply #1295 on:** July 24, 2014, 02:20:43 AM »

And here's some more http://www.whale.to/b/magneto_thermodynamics1.html second law violation in electromagnets

synchro1 · « **Reply #1296 on:** July 27, 2014, 06:32:02 PM »

Notice in the latching video, there's a paper spacer between the magnet and keeper. A gadolinmium keeper would yield not only fly back and Piezo power, but maximum adiabatic differential as well.

Coating one of Dr. Jone's steel blocks with a film of Piezo transducer compound like nano powder Barium Titanate in alcohol solution may generate and store enough power in a capacitor to latch and unlatch the magnetic bond. Reversing the spark polarity unlocks the bond. The steel blocks would act as the Piezo transducer electrodes. The charge rate would determine the latch frequency. Thinner plates might bond just as good. The Piezo electric layer spikes power upon release as well as when presurized. The capacitor may store sufficient power to do extra work. A DPDT switch and zener diode would help. Thinner plates could work into a sandwich stack, with one magnet wire threaded between the multiple thin finely machined playing card size plates. Finely machined prefabricated steel spacers or fat steel washers are available off the shelf. 100 grams of Barium Titinate nano powder is available for $41. from this supplier:

http://www.advancedmaterials.us/5622ON-01.htm

synchro1 · « **Reply #1297 on:** July 27, 2014, 08:27:58 PM »

Hildenbrand switch:

MarkE · « **Reply #1298 on:** July 27, 2014, 08:49:28 PM »

Quote from: synchro1 on July 27, 2014, 06:32:02 PM

Notice in the latching video, there's a paper spacer between the magnet and keeper. A gadolinmium keeper would yield not only fly back and Piezo power, but maximum adiabatic differential as well.

Coating one of Dr. Jone's steel blocks with a film of Piezo transducer compound like nano powder Barium Titanate in alcohol solution may generate and store enough power in a capacitor to latch and unlatch the magnetic bond. Reversing the spark polarity unlocks the bond. The steel blocks would act as the Piezo transducer electrodes. The charge rate would determine the latch frequency. Thinner plates might bond just as good. The Piezo electric layer spikes power upon release as well as when presurized. The capacitor may store sufficient power to do extra work. A DPDT switch and zener diode would help. Thinner plates could work into a sandwich stack, with one magnet wire threaded between the multiple thin finely machined playing card size plates. Finely machined prefabricated steel spacers or fat steel washers are available off the shelf. 100 grams of Barium Titinate nano powder is available for $41. from this supplier:

http://www.advancedmaterials.us/5622ON-01.htm

Synchro1 since you're interested, the best thing for you to do is to build up an experiment and see if it adheres to your hopes or conventional physics. A common mistake that people make with biased magnetics is that they miscalculate the input magnetization energy going from B_BIAS to B_{BIAS_PLUS_ENERGIZED}. For perfectly linear magnetics, which is the case you are trying to approach, the incremental input energy required to magnetize from: B_BIAS to 2*B_BIAS is 3X the energy required to magnetize from 0 to B_BIAS.

nul-points · « **Reply #1299 on:** August 05, 2014, 10:11:44 PM »

hello Steven and NerzhDishual

apologies for the long gaps in posting - i am continuing to investigate and log behaviour of related ccts

current tests are looking at 2 pulse ccts, with energy being returned both to their own sources (battery) and to each others - efficiency is high but currently still less than unity

i thought that you guys might be interested in the attached data

prompted by reading a 'paper' recently, describing the possibility of 'inverted population' action when magnetizing the core of a coil, and which suggested that there will be some evidence of energy flow into the core due to negentropic action, i started measuring the temperature inside the inner gap of the toroid compared with the temperature a little distance away from the toroid

the data is showing a definite drop in average temperature within the toroid (measured with two different probes and monitor devices)

the attached data is rather weird in that the temperature readings appear to be 'frequency modulated'!

it is unlikely that the cyclic nature of the temperature data is EMF pickup from the pulse circuit, since the pulse rate is approx 1 Hz and the temperature cycles recorded are many times slower than that (and indeed vary quite significantly themselves, depending on probe location)

data for 'ambient' temperature, as recorded inside one of the monitor cases, is by contrast very flat, increasing slowly from approx 21.25 to 21.5 degC throughout the period of data shown

i've normalised the graph data against the ambient temperature readings, referenced to a representative 21 degC baseline

the graph data represents temperature readings in degC against elapsed time in seconds - the probe was located initially inside the toroid for approx 5 mins, then it was relocated approx 10cms away from the toroid for approx 5 mins, then finally the probe was replaced back inside the toroid

it can be seen that the average temperature is lower within the central gap of the toroid than further away, and also that there is a cyclic nature to the temperature readings which changes significantly in frequency depending on probe location

interesting?

all the best
np

[edited to clarify direction of entropy change]

profitis · « **Reply #1300 on:** August 05, 2014, 11:46:09 PM »

Very interesting @nul.so despite the current being pulsed in a classic heat-cool magneto-thermodynamic cycle this shows net heat influx from ambient at the core

MarkE · « **Reply #1301 on:** August 05, 2014, 11:59:11 PM »

Quote from: nul-points on August 05, 2014, 10:11:44 PM

hello Steven and NerzhDishual

apologies for the long gaps in posting - i am continuing to investigate and log behaviour of related ccts

current tests are looking at 2 pulse ccts, with energy being returned both to their own sources (battery) and to each others - efficiency is high but currently still less than unity

i thought that you guys might be interested in the attached data

prompted by reading a 'paper' recently, describing the possibility of 'inverted population' action when magnetizing the core of a coil, and which suggested that there will be some evidence of energy flow into the core due to negentropic action, i started measuring the temperature inside the inner gap of the toroid compared with the temperature a little distance away from the toroid

the data is showing a definite drop in average temperature within the toroid (measured with two different probes and monitor devices)

the attached data is rather weird in that the temperature readings appear to be 'frequency modulated'!

it is unlikely that the cyclic nature of the temperature data is EMF pickup from the pulse circuit, since the pulse rate is approx 1 Hz and the temperature cycles recorded are many times slower than that (and indeed vary quite significantly themselves, depending on probe location)

data for 'ambient' temperature, as recorded inside one of the monitor cases, is by contrast very flat, increasing slowly from approx 21.25 to 21.5 degC throughout the period of data shown

i've normalised the graph data against the ambient temperature readings, referenced to a representative 21 degC baseline

the graph data represents temperature readings in degC against elapsed time in seconds - the probe was located initially inside the toroid for approx 5 mins, then it was relocated approx 10cms away from the toroid for approx 5 mins, then finally the probe was replaced back inside the toroid

it can be seen that the average temperature is lower within the central gap of the toroid than further away, and also that there is a cyclic nature to the temperature readings which changes significantly in frequency depending on probe location

interesting?

all the best
np

[edited to clarify direction of entropy change]

If you publish your test set-up and raw measurement data then others can replicate your experiments and discuss the possibilities.

nul-points · « **Reply #1302 on:** August 06, 2014, 12:21:29 AM »

@ profitis: yes, the data does appear to support some endothermic behaviour

MarkE>>> "If you publish your test set-up and raw measurement data then others can replicate your experiments and discuss the possibilities. "

..sadly that hasn't been my general experience on this site - hence the addressing of my post to specific members who have a shared experience of these tests

profitis · « **Reply #1303 on:** August 06, 2014, 10:55:54 AM »

try this with different core para-materials to check for greatest temperature disparity @nul.try air core too.try ainslie's nichrome-air core at a current that doesn't heat the coil too much, wow.

TinselKoala · « **Reply #1304 on:** August 06, 2014, 11:13:45 AM »

Magnetic cooling is an old technology and is how liquid helium samples are cooled to temperatures just above absolute zero, using a process exactly analogous to the "room temperature refrigerator" cycle using gadolinium detailed above.

@nul-points:
The recent data set showing the cyclic temperature variations is interesting. But the total span of the data + noise appears to be about four tenths of a Centigrade degree, and there is at least one direct fluctuation in the data of three or four tenths of a degree. This data is too noisy to be interpretable, really. You are operating in a realm where statistical techniques applied to data from multiple, identical, trials is going to be needed to tease out any effect signature unambiguously. The last time I saw fluctuations like that in temperature data they were eventually tracked down to two causes: the building's AC cycling on and off, and cleaning staff opening and closing the door into the laboratory.

But at least you are doing better than Bill Alek: His claimed temperature anomaly was perhaps half as large as yours, measured with a non-contact IR thermometer under poorly controlled conditions. That's good enough for him to proclaim "proof of cooling". That's fine, he doesn't really need to convince ME with better data because I don't matter. But maybe the people who DO matter, will eventually read and understand that extraordinary claims require a bit more rigor in the evidence put forth in support.

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