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Author Topic: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.  (Read 941312 times)

Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #780 on: March 06, 2012, 05:09:32 PM »
For the following reasons, I don't see the need to post all my simulations again:

1) They've been posted in this thread to some degree, and in your "demonstration" thread also on this forum. There is also a document posted that goes through the measurement analysis. So it's all here already.

2) No one here is asking for these simulation posts, except you. And you've already seen them all.

I'm sure the 3 readers here are much more keen on seeing my actual test results, as they'll be much more convincing than the simulation.
Is Schubert 'no-one'?  You saw him trying to put this together - unsolicited.  You know he would not have bothered if he was aware of your earlier efforts.  So?  Surely the trick is to rally?  Poynty Point?

Perhaps if you could just provide a link to that 'document of denial' - it would be something.  Then anyone at all can decide whether or not to look into this any more deeply.  It would be appreciated - I'm sure.

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Sorry - I put in the wrong reference. 

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #781 on: March 06, 2012, 10:39:00 PM »
Guys - apologies for repeating this post but there's an important emphasis on this paragraph.
And guys,

Just in case it's not clear WHY this negative wattage number is significant - it's this.  We apply standard measurement protocols to the amount of energy delivered by the battery against the amount of energy returned to the battery.  The delivered energy is represented as a positive value as the amperage flow is greater than zero.  The 'returned' energy is represented as a negative value as the amperage flow is less than zero.  The two values are then summed.  IF Kirchhoff's rulings are RIGHT - then we should NEVER get a result that is anything less than 1.  In other words the amount of energy delivered will ALWAYS exceed the amount of energy returned.  And under ideal circumstances we should be able to PRECISELY relate that difference to the amount of energy that is dissipated - as heat or motion or both - over the circuit components.  What should NEVER happen is that the amount of energy returned exceeds the amount of energy delivered.

The minute this is evident - then we're into a new ballpark.  It means this.  Either our STANDARD measurement protocols are essentially FLAWED.  Or it means that there's an alternate supply of energy on the circuit.  There are NO OTHER OPTIONS.  Now.  There are those of you who read here who will recall that we've done this test where we measured 'apparent' gains resulting in some value greater than Unity.  But until we configured this circuit we've NEVER seen values that the energy returned actually EXCEEDS the amount of energy first delivered.  And that's why this new generation of our switching circuit is so very intriguing.  And why it's so deserving of 'review'.

The amendments are highlighted.  I'm trying to stress the fact that we have NOT made a measurements error.  We've only used standard protocols.  Therefore.  Again.  Here's the situation.  Our standard measurement protocols - all those sums related to conventional power analysis MUST EITHER BE FLAWED  -  OR -  there's an alternate energy supply source.  And it's the existence of an alternate energy source that's the theme of the 2nd part of our two-part paper.  And that alternate energy source is proposed to be in a field that is extraneous to the atom - but is responsible for binding all coalesced matter.  In other words - among other things - it's also a 'binding' force.   

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Rosemary


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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #782 on: March 07, 2012, 04:41:15 AM »
Guys - apologies for repeating this post but there's an important emphasis on this paragraph.
The amendments are highlighted.  I'm trying to stress the fact that we have NOT made a measurements error.  We've only used standard protocols.  Therefore.  Again.  Here's the situation.  Our standard measurement protocols - all those sums related to conventional power analysis MUST EITHER BE FLAWED  -  OR -  there's an alternate energy supply source.  And it's the existence of an alternate energy source that's the theme of the 2nd part of our two-part paper.  And that alternate energy source is proposed to be in a field that is extraneous to the atom - but is responsible for binding all coalesced matter.  In other words - among other things - it's also a 'binding' force.   

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Yes, Rosemary, your measurements are flawed... or rather, your understanding of what your are measuring and what to do with the measurements is flawed.

I'll keep on posting this until you deal with it. Either tell us it's correct, or it's wrong. If it's wrong, correct it and explain what's wrong.

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[cite] Rosemary Ainslie[/cite]NOW.  Let's look at your 'self-runner' demands.  We have never recharged those batteries - with one exception.  Two caught fire and BOTH were fully recharged.  We've had those batteries since January 2010.  We've been running them since August 2010.  I've now FINALLY checked their rated capacities.  They're 40 ampere hours each.  We've used 6 of them continually since that time.  According to this rating they are each able, theoretically to dissipate 12 volts x 40 amps x 60 seconds x 60 minutes x 1 hour x 6 batteries.  That gives a work potential - a total potential output of 10 368 000 JOULES.

According to what has been carefully established it takes 4.18 Joules to raise 1 gram of water by 1 degree centigrade.  We've taken a little under 900 grams of water to 82 degrees centigrade.  We ran that test for 90 minutes.  Then we upped the frequency and took that water up a further 20 degrees to 104.  We ran that part of the test for 10 minutes.  Ambient was at 16.  Joules = 1 watt per second.  So.  Do the math.  4.18 x 900 grams x (82 - 16) 66 degrees C = 248 292 joules per second x 90 minutes of the test period = 22 342 280 joules.  Then ADD the last 10 minutes where the water was taken to boil and now you have 4.18 x 900 grams x (104 - 16) 88 degrees C = 331 156 joules per second x 10 minutes = 3 310 560 Joules.  Then add those two values 22 342 280 + 3 310 560 = 25.6 Million Joules.  All 5 batteries maximum potential output - available for work - is 10.3 Million Joules. In that test alone the battery outperformed its watt hour rating.  And that was just one test.  Now.  Over the 10 month period that those batteries have been running at various outputs - which, when added to the output on just this one test - then I think its safe to say that the evidence is conclusive.  Those batteries have outperformed. They are still at OVER 12 volts EACH.  They are all of them still FULLY CHARGED.

For the other two readers: Note that this calculation contains Rosemary's ENTIRE CLAIM OF EXCESS BATTERY LIFETIME AND RECHARGING within it, in addition to including at least two major conceptual errors involving power calculations.  A Joule is NOT a "watt per second" and until you realize that, and what it means, you are ALWAYS going to get the wrong answers, Rosie dear.

DO THE MATH.

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« Reply #783 on: March 07, 2012, 06:37:18 AM »
Guys,

LOL - I don't think any of us can accuse TK of 'under'... scoring a poynt or two.  I"m afraid that this lonely little objection of his is likely to continue - ad nausea.  Clearly Harti's happy to see his contributions.  And that could possibly be because Harti is also rather hoping that TK will flame this thread to death.  In any event - TK has obviously been given permission to do his damnedest - and there's nothing we can do about it.  The only thing that I know - for a certainty - is that if I actually start answering TK then we'll be dragged into detours and back roads - that the purpose of this thread will be forever bypassed.  LOST.  And that would be a shame. 

There's an unspoken editorial bias that results in a marked diminution of the wider interest in any forum.  It intrigues me that this bias has now been detected on another two forums that are losing their readership at an alarming rate.  I'm sure Harti checks his stats.  So do we.  I would suggest that general interest is also getting more and more alert to some agenda that allows a total breach of forum guidelines in 'special cases'.  When that happens, regardless of the objectives of either forum - the readers feel insulted.  One expects a certain 'objectivity' to be allowed.  For those of them that read this - then take note.  There are only two threads on this forum that unequivocally show proof of over unity.  Fortunately, thus far - this is the only one that is SERIOUSLY attacked.  But that both threads are even tolerated speaks to a more balanced approach which is always a comfort for our readers. One hopes that the 'balance' will be maintained.  Neither subject are allowed elsewhere.  I can't help but wonder why.  It's intriguing.

Regards,
Rosemary

Yes, Rosemary, your measurements are flawed... or rather, your understanding of what your are measuring and what to do with the measurements is flawed.

I'll keep on posting this until you deal with it. Either tell us it's correct, or it's wrong. If it's wrong, correct it and explain what's wrong.

For the other two readers: Note that this calculation contains Rosemary's ENTIRE CLAIM OF EXCESS BATTERY LIFETIME AND RECHARGING within it, in addition to including at least two major conceptual errors involving power calculations.  A Joule is NOT a "watt per second" and until you realize that, and what it means, you are ALWAYS going to get the wrong answers, Rosie dear.

DO THE MATH.

As I said.  It's all very intriguing. 
Regards,
Rosemary

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #784 on: March 07, 2012, 07:02:07 AM »
And guys, at the risk of boring you all to death - perhaps I should remind you what our ACTUAL CLAIM encompasses - lest you're inclined to believe any biased 'representations'.  The claim is fully defined in our papers.  Nothing outside of what is written in those papers applies. 

We have measured proof of INFINITE COEFFICIENT OF PERFORMANCE.  This, by definition, means that there's every evidence of some energy supply source that has not been factored into classical analysis of electrical power delivery.  Not only that - but we have evidence of a waveform that is not explicable in terms of the standard model - in any context at all.  This requires a revision of our measurement protocols.  And it requires a revision of the properties of current flow that may not be entirely in line with conventional assumptions.

IF our claim also related to the performance of batteries - then we'd have to evaluate their chemical performance exclusively.  That is outside the scope of the authors' expertise.  And therefore battery draw down rates are NOT a part of our 'official' or 'written 'claims'.  However, since this is pertinent to the evaluation of efficiency - we are MORE THAN HAPPY to do any test required to evaluate this as well - with the caveat that such tests will be considered conclusive.  We anticipate a marked improvement in battery performance over its rating.

Meanwhile - what we're looking at is the potential to deliver significant levels of energy that appears to come from the circuit material exclusively.  This also needs full experimentation and evaluation.  Because IF this proved to be correct, then we have found a 'source' of energy that is highly exploitable.  And this, if anything, is an understatement of its potential.  Which is why I propose that competing interests would see MORE CAUSE to discredit us than even LENR.  Which is also why I run such enormous risk in posting this on Open Source.  And the reason that I continue to do so is because Open Source has the indubitable merit of 'spreading the word'.  This is the more so when the technology and I are both subjected to continual 'attack'.  Because most readers align themselves on one or other side of a confrontation.  And that level of engagement is preferred over indifference.

It's just a pity that one has to deal with polarised opinions.  But if that's the cost - then I'll pay it gladly.

Regards,
Rosemary

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #785 on: March 07, 2012, 07:47:35 AM »

Please note to the three of Rosemary's personal readers a post over from http://www.energeticforum.com/inductive-resistor/7463-dark-energy-new-scienced-rosemary-ainslie.html#post182553

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 With all due respect you have no clue what your talking when it comes to the Rosemary Ainslie OU devices that "CLAIM" a COP> INFINITY ..... a infinite COP do you know what that means ????

Now even a rookie that has a menial education in electronics can see in the diagram illustrations published by Rosemary one huge problem right off the bat if you actually look.
 
 The function generator used to give a square wave pulse in the circuit for operation is connected "DIRECTLY" to the circuit and is inducing voltage and current into the circuit during operation of the device !!!!

 
 The second big problem that Rosemary has made a "CLAIM" not proof of that claim for the obvious reason ..... how can the inventor of a device verify it's operation and "CLAIM" that would be a "INDEPENDENT" person, entity or organization to "VERIFY" the results.
 
 Reproducibility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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 Reproducibility is one component of the precision of a test method. The other component is repeatability which is the degree of agreement of tests or measurements on replicate specimens by the same observer in the same laboratory. Both repeatability and reproducibility are usually reported as a standard deviation. A reproducibility limit is the value below which the difference between two test results obtained under reproducibility conditions may be expected to occur with a probability of approximately 0.95 (95 %).
 
 In summery .... no one on "EARTH" has made any replication of Rosemary's devices in a scientific method that can be verified to operate as she has "CLAIMED". All the data that has been submitted by Rosemary on her "CLAIM" also the operation can not be verified or reproduced with what has been submitted for a scientific replication by anyone not connect to the inventor or Rosemary.
 
 It's sad over several years and 6000 to 7000 of her personal posts in many forums that Rosemary Ainslie (aka witsend and aetherevarising ) at ...
 
 http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/      (banned)
 The Naked Scientists Forum - Index                             (banned)
 Thunderbolts Forum • Index page                         (banned)
 OverUnity Research - Index                                        (ran away)
 Free Energy - Freie Energie - energia libre - OverUnity.com    ??? on her way out .....
 
 Rosemary has not been able to prove nothing at all on the "CLAIMS" she has made on all her OU devices.
 
 This is all for a thesis she has cobbled up and has made fictitious devices to substantiate her claim to justify the thesis and is actually "DEMANDING" prize money from several forums based on her personal unproven "CLAIMS".

 
 A SAD DAY FOR THE OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY AND AN ABSOLUTE INSULT TO THE MANY TRUE EXPERIMENTALIST THAT ACTUALLY DO CREDIBLE AND VERIFIABLE RESEARCH LEADING TO DEVELOPMENT OF POSSIBLE DEVICES WITH "MERIT" NOT JUNK THAT WON'T EVEN BE SUITABLE FOR THE WASTE CAN.
 
 FuzzyTomCat
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #786 on: March 07, 2012, 10:06:54 AM »
 
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It's sad over several years and 6000 to 7000 of her personal posts in many forums that Rosemary Ainslie (aka witsend and aetherevarising )at ...  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/      (banned) The Naked Scientists Forum - Index                             (banned) Thunderbolts Forum • Index page                         (banned) OverUnity Research - Index                                        (ran away) Free Energy - Freie Energie - energia libre - OverUnity.com     on her way out .....


OMG...  :o

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #787 on: March 07, 2012, 11:44:17 AM »

Guys - Fuzzy's posts are usually monitored.  If Stefan's lifted this it's because he's now given Fuzzy license to flame this thread to death.  He's done this once before and I'm sure that he'll do this again and again.  I think he's decided that neither TK nor Poynty are putting up enough of a fight. 

The ONLY thing that Glen Lettenmaier, aka as Fuzzy Tom Cat, has referenced that has a grain of truth in it is the fact that I have - indeed - been repeatedly banned from Overunity.com and Energetic forum.  I've never even heard of tht Thunderbolts forum but it certainly does look interesting.  Overunity Research in the UK kindly copied my posts from sundry forums when Forum owners threatened to delete them.  That's not happened yet.  And for the record.  The MINUTE I get close to elaborating on the thesis - then there's a 'no holds barred' offer to the trolls and flamers to kill of this topic.  I CANNOT explain this.  I can only communicate my suspicions.  Which I've done at length.

Every single other statement alleged by FUZZY is simply that - ALLEGATION.  Not ONE statement is the truth. Two of those schematics have nothing whatsoever to do with our work.  And a cursory inspection of sundry internet references including Fuzzy's own Scribd file will show that there have, indeed - been replications.  Unless he now denies that that his work was a replication.  In which case he needs to withdraw my paper on this - which he has alleged to Scribd officials was EXCLUSIVELY his OWN work.

I very much doubt that I'll be able to keep on topic.  I'll try this - off and on - but failing which - just know that from hereon Fuzzy's posts will dominate each page and they will get louder and more confrontational as one follows the other.  That's his particular brand of trollmanship.  And know too that Harti has now 'lifted' his monitoring of Fuzzy's posts.  Which means that this all carries Stefan's implicit approval.  In other words Harti is doing his damnedest to silence me.  But this time without seeming to be the culprit.  And rest assured. Stefan is NOT about to require Glen to comply to forum guidelines.  Go figger.  If indeed Fuzzy now manages to get me banned due to this kind of intervention - then perhaps Schubert - you'll better understand why it is that I AM so repeatedly banned from forums.  This is the typical procedure.

God help us all and God help our over unity drive.  Because our trolls are doing a good job of suppression.
Rosemary 

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« Reply #788 on: March 07, 2012, 11:52:20 AM »
And guys, of interest - I carry the unique distinction among all posters that I was actually BANNED from a forum before ever even joining.  That may give you some indication of the level of 'anxiety' our technology seems to solicit.

Golly.

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Rosemary

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #789 on: March 07, 2012, 02:44:26 PM »


 With all due respect you have no clue what your talking when it comes to the Rosemary Ainslie OU devices that "CLAIM" a COP> INFINITY ..... a infinite COP do you know what that means ??? ?

 
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I don't really understand why you guys keep harassing Rosemary.  She has done a lot of hard work and has probably developed the first overunity device in history.  And with COP of infinity, this is not just slightly over unity but quite an invention.  Just let her work and publish her results in peace.  If you don't like her device, you can make your own, or is this jealousy because you have not developed an over unity device yourself yet?

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« Reply #790 on: March 07, 2012, 06:10:56 PM »

I don't really understand why you guys keep harassing Rosemary.  She has done a lot of hard work and has probably developed the first overunity device in history.  And with COP of infinity, this is not just slightly over unity but quite an invention.  Just let her work and publish her results in peace.  If you don't like her device, you can make your own, or is this jealousy because you have not developed an over unity device yourself yet?

Do you research into the subject that you make comments on, It has been clear for many years that Rosemary circuit is not OU.
Clearly you would say I am wrong. Okay then show us all your working OU replication. I didn't think you could,
nobody credible has been able to do that because all Rosemary has is a claim and nothing but a claim,
it is now legendary as is her stubbornness to face reality.

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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #791 on: March 07, 2012, 06:29:21 PM »
Guys - Fuzzy's posts are usually monitored.  If Stefan's lifted this it's because he's now given Fuzzy license to flame this thread to death.  He's done this once before and I'm sure that he'll do this again and again.  I think he's decided that neither TK nor Poynty are putting up enough of a fight. 


Sorry to the three readers, I'm here to give Rosemary the "PRIZE"  she so deserves and demands ....

No no no .... not one of money, I do not yield to false Over Unity demands!!!!

One of acknowledgement !!!

Rosemary Ainslie has won the most prestigious of all and will be featured this month at the grand opening of http://www.OpenSourceResearchandDevelopment.org this month !!!

She will have her own folder in the Over Unity Scams and Shams !!! Rosemary will have every document in existence from her beginning starting with the four (4) Patent Applications she made as the "INVENTOR" of electronic circuits until the NERD circuit today, including forum postings, e-mail correspondence, Rosemary's self made news articles and Quantum article plus forum postings and blog excerpts.

SO ...... congratulations Rosemary on you having the longest running fraudulent Over Unity scam going for over ten (10) years and the well deserved "PRIZE" you are going to get like it or not you "WON" !!!!

Well all .... don't miss the grand opening of the new NON Profit "Open Source Research and Development" site which includes a 24/7 "LIVE" broadcast feed w/ chat room http://www.livestream.com/opensourceresearchanddevelopment ( not a forum ) we will be featuring devices from the inventors or producers eventually and hopefully from around the world.


FuzzyTomCat
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Re: another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.
« Reply #792 on: March 07, 2012, 10:52:51 PM »
Do you research into the subject that you make comments on, It has been clear for many years that Rosemary circuit is not OU.
Clearly you would say I am wrong. Okay then show us all your working OU replication. I didn't think you could,
nobody credible has been able to do that because all Rosemary has is a claim and nothing but a claim,
it is now legendary as is her stubbornness to face reality.

Guys when I get powercat, Fuzzy AND TK - on one page - then I've got the 'trolls from hell'.   :'( It seems that Harti has really 'Let loose the dogs of war'.  LOL.  In any event, IF there were any truth in this post of powercat's - then I'm afraid that Fuzzy himself has rather proved the lie.   :o   For those who are NOT aware of the history here - then this is the link.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23455916/Open-Source-Evaluation-of-Power-Transients-Generated-to-Improve-Performance-Coefficient-of-Resistive-Heating-Systems

You may notice for yourself that this details a REPLICATION of our earlier test.  Confusingly Fuzzy now denies that he replicated anything at all.  But nor is he prepared to withdraw that paper.  Which is all rather irregular.  In any event.  That paper is of interest as it details the 'second generation' so to speak of this technology.  It was an open source effort - which speaks rather sadly of open source efficacy.  I'll not try THAT again.  I've never got to the bottom of Fuzzy's objections.  All I can tell you as a fact is that the paper claims to be a replication of our earlier published test.  And that claim seemingly is endorsed by Fuzzy in as much has he has not withdrawn it.  In any event.  I'm only referencing this that those of you who are NOT familiar with the history - can check out that alternate method of getting to efficiencies..  In other words, the efficacy is also easily proven on a purely 'switched circuit' without the Q-array of the 'third generation' so to speak - of this circuit.  But it does not result in INFINITE COP.  And nor does it go to the heart of the issue as do our final tests of this.  But it most certainly is still very much a replication.  I believe Harvey Gramm - who was responsible for writing one third of that paper - proposed that the entire paper was written by himself and that the test detailed in  it was actually Fuzzy's 'discovery'.  This largely based on the fact that Fuzzy only managed COP>6 and not COP>17 as we did.  And this because, apparently - our earlier paper had some error in it associated with the resistor details.  Ahhhh.  It's all too tedious to repeat.  And the motives of denial - somewhat embarrassingly transparent.

I'm afraid I've been trying to distance myself from that entire event as it reminded me that involvement of forum members in a replication is NOT to expect the involvement of professionals.  Little did I know.  And this particular effort of mine was heavily tarnished by its lack.  But check out the paper.  It's interesting. 

Thanks for your efforts there eatenbyagrue.  I'll see if I can get this thread on track again. 

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

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« Reply #793 on: March 08, 2012, 12:01:54 AM »
Three days in moderation for anyone to see the post I just deleted ..... it's not worth my time or expertise now.

Fuzzy
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And guys - from where I sit - this seems to indicate that Fuzzy was on 'moderation' until yesterday.  Presumably this was because Fuzzy's inclined to ignore forum guidelines.  Which begs the question.  Which part of which of those last two posts of Fuzzy's comply? 

And the next question is this.  Why is Harti encouraging this level of confrontation?  I wish I knew the answer.  Perhaps, in due course Harti will explain this himself.  I would have thought, on the whole, that any contribution by Fuzzy would, dependably, be somewhat combative - and dependably it would breach any rules of 'decency' at all.  Confusingly Fuzzy is always anxious to advise all and sundry that his 'professionalism' is being called to question.  But its his own posts that prove this lack.  Someone should alert him.  Professionals don't as a rule engage in traducement and slander. 

Anyway.  I think I've now exhausted this complaint.  AGAIN.  I'll try and get back on topic.

Regards,
Rosemary

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« Reply #794 on: March 08, 2012, 12:32:07 AM »
Anyway - moving on.

We're likely to be published as we've been called on to do some minor editing of our paper.  And the collaborators have been asked to present CV's.  This is very promising.  But I'm not sure that I can, therefore, publish our own paper here - until that's been finalised.  But what I can do is print out the appendix in that paper - as that is not the 'meat' of the claim.  And it may assist you all in seeing what it is that we're trying to point to.

I'll do it in a series of posts that - hopefully - won't be interrupted with more of those contributions from our trolls. It's likely to take up a whole lot of pages - but I'll try and keep each post reasonably short.

Here's the first download.

  A.  Magnetic Dipole

            It seems that much is known about the conditions required to sustain a fire or flame, while little is actually understood about its material properties. For instance, it is known that fire requires oxygen in the atmosphere for it to burn, but a nuclear fire, such as in the sun, does not require this. The following simplistic and hypothetical experiment is used to explore the property of fire and, by extension, the material property of the magnetic field.

            Place a pile of wood under a ceramic pot holding iron filings. Then set the wood alight. Flames would heat the ceramic pot and this heat would then transfer to the environment inside that pot. With a required sufficiency, the heat would then melt the filings to form a liquid. This experiment would conclude precisely when the fire extinguishes which, in this theorized example, would also be precisely when the filings will have coalesced into a liquid. Then the ceramic pot would cool and the liquid iron solidify, and in the process of solidifying it would also shrink in volume compared to its liquid state.

            Assume also that, at the beginning of that experiment, a detailed account is made of the number and type of atoms and molecules in the wood, in the ceramic pot and in the iron filings. Then at the end of that experiment all those atoms and molecules associated with that energy exchange during the fire, would still be fully accounted for. For instance, some of the carbon atoms in the wood may have combined with oxygen in the atmosphere to form carbon dioxide. Yet other exotic gas molecules may have escaped. The small volumes of moisture in the wood may be vaporized into steam. But the structure and weight of the ceramic pot would remain substantially the same except that it may show evidence of cracking and heat fatigue. The amount of the iron would match its quantity as filings. And the most of the carbon atoms in the wood would be there in the loose ash condition of its burnt out state.