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CalebEssex

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Calloway v gate idea
« on: July 30, 2012, 04:04:12 PM »
Hello,

This is my first post here so i hope its in the right foum. :)

I had an idea for the calloway v gate. The main problem is it gets stuck right at the start of the next gate. What if instead of arranging the magnets on a flat wheel you put them on a cone. There would be 2 cones with the points (the top of the cone) of the cones meeting in the middle. That way the magnets natually move away from the stator magnet instead of you having to pull it away manually to "skip" the area where it gets stuck. Also, has anyone tried aligning them according to the golden ratio? It is the ratio for beauty to the human eye and is very common in nature. Just a couple ideas to throw out there. :)
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avalon

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Re: Calloway v gate idea
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2012, 08:26:12 PM »
Quote from: CalebEssex on July 30, 2012, 04:04:12 PM
Hello,

This is my first post here so i hope its in the right foum. :)

I had an idea for the calloway v gate. The main problem is it gets stuck right at the start of the next gate. What if instead of arranging the magnets on a flat wheel you put them on a cone. There would be 2 cones with the points (the top of the cone) of the cones meeting in the middle. That way the magnets natually move away from the stator magnet instead of you having to pull it away manually to "skip" the area where it gets stuck. Also, has anyone tried aligning them according to the golden ratio? It is the ratio for beauty to the human eye and is very common in nature. Just a couple ideas to throw out there. :)
Something like your idea #1 has been tried a few times in different flavours with no significant results to report. Instead of using cones magnets were burried progressively deeper to overcome the 'sticky' point. Sadly, no desired effect achieved.

As for your idea #2, my guess is that it would have the same effect as painting the unit pink or assembling it only during full moon.

Having said that, I am more and more convinced that it is one of these bonkers ideas that would finally succeed. After all, everything else has been tried.

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CalebEssex

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Re: Calloway v gate idea
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2012, 09:13:26 PM »
The reason why im somewhat convinced that the golden mean comes into play here is because throughout history this ratio has popped up a lot in the incredible technology that harnesses the power of the vortex. It is also seen a lot in nature, from the micro to the macro scale. Even galaxies are shaped according to the golden mean. The vortex is an incredible shape, it constantly feeds its energy back into itself. It has been used by many scientists such as Viktor Schauberger, Nikola Tesla and Marko Rodin to achieve some incredible results. Afaik all these vortex's use the golden ratio. When you have a spinning vortex you also have a rotating toroid around the middle, which is also feeding energy back into itself. Thats the reason why vortex cannons can shoot a puff of air across the room or a dolphin can make vortex bubbles that travel great distances compared to a standard bubble.

Anyways, im just thinking out loud here, if anyone has any ideas or insight please share it. :)
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avalon

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Re: Calloway v gate idea
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2012, 04:55:30 PM »
I totally agree about the significance of the ratio. I simply have never seen anything that would highlight the benefits of placing magnets with the ratio in mind. As far as I know, there is no effect if magnets are placed at the Fibonacci numbers.
Yet again, I doubt that anyone did a proper research into that.
 
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CalebEssex

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Re: Calloway v gate idea
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2012, 08:02:26 PM »
Here are 2 designs i came up with. (pardon my terrible paint skills) The first one is the designed i mentioned in my previous post. It would be the standard v gate but on cones instead of a wheel. The end of the gate is in the middle of the cones. Since its further away from the stator it should help overcome the sticky section. The second picture is a little different. Instead of having north and south on the wheel it would only be one pole. The one side would be attracted to the stator and the other side would be repelled. For the second one the magnets would not form a V with the closer part in the middle. It would be a continuous spiral that is pinched in the middle. I plan to make both of these but it may be some time before i get around to it. If anyone wants to try this out please post your results here.

Has anyone tried making a V gate with the progressively weaker magnets as they get closer together? This might also have the same effect as moving them away from the stator via a cone shape. The magnets at the start of the gate would be much stronger then the ones at the end, thus reducing the amount of force that makes it stick. This would create the imbalance needed to make it skip to the next gate.
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avalon

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Re: Calloway v gate idea
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2012, 05:15:42 PM »
Quote from: CalebEssex on July 31, 2012, 08:02:26 PM
Has anyone tried making a V gate with the progressively weaker magnets as they get closer together?

I do not know about the weaker magnets but, as I mentioned earlier, burying magnets progressively deeper in the rotor and hence reducing the magnetic flux didn't work as planed.
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