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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2334747 times)

Doug1

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1860 on: November 28, 2014, 06:47:39 PM »
Bajac
 Heat in windings is bad,heat in cores is sometimes not bad depending on the material.

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« Reply #1861 on: November 28, 2014, 06:57:51 PM »
Whats strange is "how does the current traverse a magnetic field?" If the alternating current is creating the magnetic field how can it also traverse it?

Ustedes tienen que entender que en 1900, la electricidad era algo nuevo, no se conocía, eran sus propios maestros, etc. Para traducir, no es solo el idioma, son los conceptos de la época.

You have to understand that in 1900, electricity was new, it was not known, were their own teacher, etc..
To translate, not just the language, are the concepts of the time.

bajac

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« Reply #1862 on: November 28, 2014, 09:53:00 PM »
I do not know if you have already seen this type of generator but it basically is a magnet rotor sandwiched in between two sets of plates containing ironless induced coils or induced coils with very low self-inductance. Click on these links for the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Ln5hogw6Q&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8VdsWn-Q9Y

I have no doubts that the key for overunity for most of these electric machines is the low self-inductance of the induced coils. This simple concept takes the magic or weirdness out of the electrical equations.






























 

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1863 on: November 28, 2014, 11:11:52 PM »
Ustedes tienen que entender que en 1900, la electricidad era algo nuevo, no se conocía, eran sus propios maestros, etc. Para traducir, no es solo el idioma, son los conceptos de la época.

You have to understand that in 1900, electricity was new, it was not known, were their own teacher, etc..
To translate, not just the language, are the concepts of the time.

I disagree, Buforn's patent was written 1910. By that time the electron had been discovered over 10 years ago, induction had been discovered 80 years ago, Albert Einstein had made a name for himself and Tesla's Wardencleffe tower had already beed shut down 5 years prior.

 Too add to this most, if not all, electrical laws had already been written. To imply or suggest that electricity was "new" and "not known" is simply incorrect.  Buforn was no idiot, there must be a very good reason why that phrase appears numerious times in his patent.

Interesting side note:
Speaking of Tesla, Buforn makes reference to Tesla's work in the patent. There is a section in which he mentions Tesla's work on "Transmitting electrical power without wires" and atmospheric electricity. It appears also that Buforn also speaks in length about ionization energy.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1864 on: November 28, 2014, 11:56:50 PM »

"  SUPPOSE THAT ELECTROMAGNETS ARE REPRESENTED BY RECTANGLES 'N' AND 'S'.    "  (Figuera patent, 1908)

Please try to find the words "North" and "South" in the whole text of Figuera´s 1908 patent

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« Reply #1865 on: November 29, 2014, 12:40:30 AM »
IF we assume that all the Figuera Patents are based on the same principle, than it's obvious that "Rectangles 'S' and 'N'" means North and South.
In the patent No. 30378 from 1902 Figuera and Blasberg are describing their invention as follows:

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"Los inventores que suscriben, constituyen su generador, de la manera siguiente: Varios
electroimanes están colocados uno enfrente al otro, y separados sus caras polares de
nombre contrario
por una pequeña distancia."
(The inventors, who subscribe, constitute their generator, as follows: Several electromagnets
are arranged opposing each other, and their opposite pole faces separated by a small
distance.)

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« Reply #1866 on: November 29, 2014, 12:53:41 AM »
"  SUPPOSE THAT ELECTROMAGNETS ARE REPRESENTED BY RECTANGLES 'N' AND 'S'.    "  (Figuera patent, 1908)

Please try to find the words "North" and "South" in the whole text of Figuera´s 1908 patent

The only time the words North and South appear are in Buforn patent. BUT he is referencing the North hemisphere of his discharge wheel. Aside from that its just N and S. Kinda strange to use N and S and not imply North and South.

Regardless all that debating is useless, simple build a rig that allows for the most flexible modifications. My test rig, shown below, allows me to change direction of the current by simply moving the wires. So, I can use N - S, N - N, and S - S.

 

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« Reply #1867 on: November 29, 2014, 01:06:56 AM »
Your translation is incorrect.
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"Los inventores que suscriben, constituyen su generador, de la manera siguiente: Varios
electroimanes están colocados uno enfrente al otro
, y separados sus caras polares de
nombre contrario por una pequeña distancia."
(The inventors, who subscribe, constitute their generator, as follows: Several electromagnets
are arranged opposing each other, and their opposite pole faces separated by a small
distance.)

Highlighted above reads "Various electromagnets are setup one in front of the other" and not as you stated "arranged opposing each other".

Not trying to be a wise as$



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« Reply #1868 on: November 29, 2014, 01:34:54 AM »
Guys, we should stop wasting our time with the North and South non-sense.

There are people who believe that in the Figuera's 1908 device the N and S were meant to be N-N or S-S. If you already have one section of the 1908 device constructed, you can just interchange the wire connection to the DC power source and test it yourself. I will not do it because I am 99.999% convinced that N was meant for North and S was meant for South.

This NN, SS, or NS discussion is becoming annoying and boring! It is just getting in the way of our progress and preventing us from moving ahead!
 

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« Reply #1869 on: November 29, 2014, 02:40:51 AM »
The only time the words North and South appear are in Buforn patent. BUT he is referencing the North hemisphere of his discharge wheel. Aside from that its just N and S. Kinda strange to use N and S and not imply North and South.

Regardless all that debating is useless, simple build a rig that allows for the most flexible modifications. My test rig, shown below, allows me to change direction of the current by simply moving the wires. So, I can use N - S, N - N, and S - S.

Maverik,

I just read your post and saw that my comment was just a duplicate of what said. It feels good to see that we are on the same track!

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« Reply #1870 on: November 29, 2014, 12:11:24 PM »
Guys, we should stop wasting our time with the North and South non-sense.

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This NN, SS, or NS discussion is becoming annoying and boring! It is just getting in the way of our progress and preventing us from moving ahead!
 

I always refers in my posts and images to the patents, in order that anyone can judge for themselves.

Bajac:  You were convinced of the success of your air gap design. Noone till nor you have reported any result which may be repeated by everyone. Later came Ferranti, and now Cook patent seems to be the one to follow. I guess you sucess , but you should recognize that are also offering diferentent interpretations.

I wonder who is "getting in the of way of our progress" ?? Because I am just helping

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« Reply #1871 on: November 29, 2014, 01:35:13 PM »
I always refers in my posts and images to the patents, in order that anyone can judge for themselves.

Bajac:  You were convinced of the success of your air gap design. Noone till nor you have reported any result which may be repeated by everyone. Later came Ferranti, and now Cook patent seems to be the one to follow. I guess you sucess , but you should recognize that are also offering diferentent interpretations.

I wonder who is "getting in the of way of our progress" ?? Because I am just helping

Hi hanon,
I wish I could help more but I can not add much more than I'll say for professional reasons.
However warn of the lack of objectivity of thought, distraction and misinformation of people in general.

you're right, Figuera just used the letters N and S to describe the magnets in patent.
What Figuera found, was not needed to use the mechanical work to generate power as a conventional generator does.
  Electricity is a form of energy conversion!
What are the factors on which they depend to a current generation alternator?
Number of turns, magnetic field; The rotor movement will induce every 360 degrees in the stator, the movement of electrons in the stator coils thereby generating current.
These factors are present in conventional generators.

Another way of generating power more efficiently, us that would eliminate the friction and the rotor Lenz effect.
Figuera discovered another way to induce movement of the electrons much more efficient than conventional.
How can vary given magnetic field without the mechanical work to cut the magnetic lines?

The figuera device using a switching system in which the resistance varies in intensity over the 360 degrees.
This current variation will create the necessary movement in the magnetic field.
The configuration of the coils must be oriented NN repulsion CW -CWW.
And why? Every 90 degrees north-east from coils, changes to North-South
this and the reason why the capture coils are oriented between the coils CW CWW.
I hope you take something out of my thoughts.
greetings

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« Reply #1872 on: November 29, 2014, 01:43:45 PM »
Hi hanon,
I wish I could help more but I can not add much more than I'll say for professional reasons.
However warn of the lack of objectivity of thought, distraction and misinformation of people in general.

you're right, Figuera just used the letters N and S to describe the magnets in patent.
What Figuera found, was not needed to use the mechanical work to generate power as a conventional generator does.
  Electricity is a form of energy conversion!
What are the factors on which they depend to a current generation alternator?
Number of turns, magnetic field; The rotor movement will induce every 360 degrees in the stator, the movement of electrons in the stator coils thereby generating current.
These factors are present in conventional generators.

Another way of generating power more efficiently, us that would eliminate the friction and the rotor Lenz effect.
Figuera discovered another way to induce movement of the electrons much more efficient than conventional.
How can vary given magnetic field without the mechanical work to cut the magnetic lines?

The figuera device using a switching system in which the resistance varies in intensity over the 360 degrees.
This current variation will create the necessary movement in the magnetic field.
The configuration of the coils must be oriented NN repulsion CW -CWW.
And why? Every 90 degrees north-east from coils, changes to North-South
this and the reason why the capture coils are oriented between the coils CW CWW.
I hope you take something out of my thoughts.
greetings


I forget a thing :

They find that the functional circuit is just what shows in the patent?
For sure, only describes the main concept and most important.

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« Reply #1873 on: November 29, 2014, 03:22:57 PM »
I always refers in my posts and images to the patents, in order that anyone can judge for themselves.

Yes, but that is not enough! Whenever a person proposes a new layout or idea, that person should justify through explanation why whatever he/she proposes will work. What I seen from you until now is "this device is similar to this one and it should work."

As we should already know, the big majority of the patents do not provide a justification for the operating principles of whatever they claim. It is done like that because in addition to running the risk of screwing up the patent if they are wrong, a theory of operation is not really necessary for securing an invention. Unless you are 100% sure that you are right, it is never recommended to add formulas and/or theory explaining what makes your invention work. You could do that in papers or journals outside of the patent businesses. That is why the Buforn patents are so bad. He added a lot of stuffs that in addition to be wrong, they are not required to get the patent. By the way, If you asked me I would say that I consider Buforn to be a charlatan and a thief. Not only Buforn tried to outsmart his master Figuera by later adding a lot B.S. not needed information in the Figuera's patents, but this guy tried to take away from Figuera the name of the invention. In 1908, the patent called the device "Figuera's generator." Then after Figuera's death Buforn wanted to change it to "Buforn's generator." I consider it an act of treason.

All of the Buforn applications(?) are obvious copies of the Figuera's 1908 patent. In any other patent office, those are not valid applications. Did Buforn ever get a patent on them? It is clear to me that Buforn was not smart enough. Buforn was trying to steal Figuera's 1908 invention and He thought it could be done by adding an explanation of the operating principles.

Bajac:  You were convinced of the success of your air gap design. Noone till nor you have reported any result which may be repeated by everyone. Later came Ferranti, and now Cook patent seems to be the one to follow.

And I still are! At least I have given the reasons by using a mathematical and/or logical approaches to explain how overunity migh be achieved. If I am not correct in the interpretation, you should prove me wrong. True I have built couple of prototypes based on Figiuera's teachings, and I have failed. But it does not mean that Figuera's device does not work. I did learned two ways these device should not be built. And I shared this information with the forum. For example, I warned the members of the forum that I was wrong when I considered that the Figuera's generators did not need a sufficient amount of iron core. I consider it a contribution even when I failed! Building an apparatus is not an easy task and if I can help people by saying "this is what I built and it did not work", then I am making an important contribution.

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I guess you sucess , but you should recognize that are also offering diferentent interpretations.

Yes, but there is a difference in our methods. I have never said "I think this device I am proposing should work, go ahead and build it for me." It is not fair for the forum members. It is up to each person to build whatever device he/she is convinced would work.

There is nothing wrong in proposing an apparatus. However, it is not a good idea to direct people to build it for you especially when a logical explanation for why that apparatus should work is not being provided.

I wonder who is "getting in the of way of our progress" ?? Because I am just helping

YOUR CONTRIBUTION HAS NEVER BEEN IN QUESTION!
Hanon, your help on disseminating the Figuera's work is recognized by me and by all people in this thread! And for that, we all feel in debt with you. I apologize for offending you. I guess I got frustrated and I was carried away for what I thought was a waste of time, :-[
« Last Edit: November 29, 2014, 05:52:13 PM by bajac »

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« Reply #1874 on: November 29, 2014, 04:17:06 PM »
Bajac: I won´t answer your statements about me. I will just quote here a paragraph from the 1908 patent, for your consideration:

"
The machine comprise a fixed inductor circuit, consisting of several
electromagnets with soft iron cores exercising induction in the induced circuit,
also fixed and motionless, composed of several reels or coils, properly
placed. As neither of the two circuits spin, there is no need to make them
round, nor leave any space between one and the other.


"

This is what patent says. The rest are interpretations.

I understand that my view is "annoying" and "boring". Sorry for "annoying" you. Sorry for "boring" you. Sorry for quoting the patent literally.
 
I won´t repeat again anything that I had already posted before. I just tried to get people aware of that. You won. Now you have free way to "get ahead in the progress" of your proposal.