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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2334948 times)

marathonman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1230 on: April 20, 2014, 06:33:18 PM »
TO ALL,
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TinselKoala

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« Reply #1231 on: April 20, 2014, 06:58:27 PM »
TO ALL,
 I am wondering if any one else has ordered from FUTURLEC Electronics and have had trouble receiving order. it's been well over a week and nothing, no reply no shipping, no nothing. have almost 40 $ in parts and haven't a clue what is going on. emails has gone unanswered and i would like to know if any one else has had a problem with them. of course my money has been deducted from my card. also i would like to know if anyone has a contact number for complaint. DO NOT BUY FROM THESE SCAMMERS.


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"Instructables" likes them. Some other operations don't. You get what you pay for, I suppose.


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http://domainsafrica.blogspot.com/2012/07/scam-futurlec-electronic-components-and.html
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6326

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1232 on: April 20, 2014, 10:01:15 PM »
Hi all,

This is a very interesting patent, US4687947

http://www.google.com/patents/US4687947

It has some similarities to the 1902 Figuera generator patent

dieter

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« Reply #1233 on: April 21, 2014, 12:52:54 AM »
Hanon,


while I wil read the patent in your prev. link, could you please explain a little bit what's going on here:


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpZJfIIY7GE

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marathonman

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« Reply #1234 on: April 21, 2014, 04:50:03 AM »
TinselKoala:

Thank you very much.

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« Reply #1235 on: April 21, 2014, 09:33:10 AM »
Hanon,


while I wil read the patent in your prev. link, could you please explain a little bit what's going on here:


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpZJfIIY7GE

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I did that test trying to emulate a possilbe winding in the 1902 patent: a wire crossing between the two electromagnets. I feed 12 VDC and 1.2 A max. and I used a car relay to pulse the current. As output I could measure up to 60-70 VDC and up to 5-6 ADC  with a diode bridge in the output. I don´t rely on those numbers because I could not light even a very  small bulb. I think that that my multimeter was showing wrong values as consequences of the pulsing pattern. Not much to take into consideration.

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marathonman

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« Reply #1236 on: April 21, 2014, 01:55:28 PM »
Hanon,

 I'm curious as to why you didn't use a cap after the bridge? and have you tried the quad electromagnet set up in your earlier post? and if you did what were your readings?

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« Reply #1237 on: April 21, 2014, 06:10:29 PM »
Hanon,

 I'm curious as to why you didn't use a cap after the bridge? and have you tried the quad electromagnet set up in your earlier post? and if you did what were your readings?

Hi Marathonman,
I have not tested yet the crossed coils scheme. I just proposed it after watching a YouTube video from hyiq.org channel with two moving magnets inducing at the same time over a coil to optimize induction.

I have conclude that this configuration will only work in a motionless device if we are able to emulate "Induction by Motion" (flux lines cutting the wires) in our system . It will not work with induction by flux crossing the coil. IMHO the only way to emulate "induction by motion" in this system is with like poles facing each other and then swinging the fields as Figuera explained.

I will try to post a video about it  along this week.

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marathonman

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« Reply #1238 on: April 21, 2014, 07:32:50 PM »
Does it not emulare flux by motion from raising and lowering the current mimicking a magnet movement to and fro ????? or am i looking at it wrong.
as i read it again does the north poles swing back and forth because they are opposite of one another varying in their intensities causing the side to side motion??????

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« Reply #1239 on: April 22, 2014, 12:34:50 AM »
Hanon,


ok, I see. The readings were pretty impressive tho. Reminded me of the output of a "reed stepup" circuit.


Marathonman,


when a magnet passes by a coil, pole to pole, it will induce positive current as long as you get closer, and negative when you move it away (or vice versa, depending on the magnet pole you use) , so this rise and fall may only mimick the motion if one prim. coil is positive and the other one negative, in other words, a setup with unlike poles.


But, whether like or unlike poles must be used, the good thing about it is, you only have to swap two wires to test both.


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marathonman

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« Reply #1240 on: April 22, 2014, 04:20:21 AM »
I understand all that, this i know (thank you by the way)  but i am still a little confused after all the post as the correct Figueras operation.
with the negative flux (north) running to the (south) positive the poles will clash in the middle especially at position #5 so this leads me to believe that what Hanon is saying is true that the like poles are moving side to side with varying intensities.

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« Reply #1241 on: April 22, 2014, 03:36:04 PM »
Interesting paper Cohen wrote,I like it.
In his words dont confuse flux cutting with flux linking but account for both if need be.
Since both exist in the design at hand your maths just turned into a 6 advil computation. Maybe 8.
  Marvin Cobbs device has some pretty interesting tid bits too. Namely how to eliminate the use of resistance windings without eliminating the resistance. Not to be confused with the resistance controller.
 Mariswammi or what ever his name is didnt understand what I was saying in response to his question about the resister voltage/amperage. The 12 v 1amp is continuous while the greater amperage from the controller is fluctuated between coils independent of the 12v 1 amp. The established flux at a lower power level through the resister prevents all the coils from becoming one big single magnet from flux linking them all together when they are placed N()N. If everything becomes flux linked together in the same direction it is no more then a typical transformer.
 I will have to refer to the old and remind you of the the two Trains. Each traveling at 50 mph on the same track toward each other. The damage is not equal to 50 mph it's equal to 100 mph. The flux cutting is not equal to the current going into each magnet its double provided you can keep them from becoming both in the same direction. The total amount of flux is never "on" in both at the same time but the force between them is always constant in pressure and opposite frame at the same time . For the price of one fully saturated magnet you can have two or at least the effect of two on the space between them.Long as you can keep them separate you only need enough flux to equal one fully on in total which gets shifted back and forth between 2 in time.So sometimes there will be little in one and lots in the other but if you maintain a little in each separate from the controller it will be easier to figure out how much you need and adjust it accordingly to maintain the separation under the load conditions your looking to get out. Cutting generates while linking transforms.

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« Reply #1242 on: April 22, 2014, 06:19:57 PM »
Strangely i under stood that. after 1 year of pounding my head with a electronic, electric, magnetic hammer i think my 50 year old brain is waking up.
Thank you Doug, Hanon, Dieter, Wonju, Woopy, (TESLA)(HYIQ)(ASPDEN)(SWEET) and all others (to many to list) that have contributed to this post directly or indirectly.

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« Reply #1243 on: April 22, 2014, 07:03:21 PM »
Marathonman,


I think the whole thing depends a lot on the waveform used in the primaries. IF  you let the current decrease to zero between pulses, then that coils' field will collapse, causing a back EMF of high voltage that will ADD to the active pulse. you will get a stereo flyback, one side delayed by a halfwave, mixed to mono, sotosay. The output may be pretty efficient.


Now, when you don't let the current decrease to zero during pulses, then this is an entirely diffrent situation. The active primary will have the choise of flowing trough the secondary, which is not very attractive since there may be a load that acts as a reduction of permeability, or it may flow trough the other secondary, that flows in the same direction, acting as a negative resistance in terms of magnetical resistance. So it will take this way, skipping the secondary, but inducing a current to the power supply in the (almost) passive primary, which is not what we want.


So, little diffrences, like whether there is a socket flow in the passive primary or not, can make a huge diffrence.


One thing to try is however, to use diodes between supply and primaries, so the back EMF is really forced to flow trough the secondary.


I apologize for chanching my mind so often about how this is supposed to work, but obviously it isn't as simple as I thought it is, couple of weeks ago.


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« Reply #1244 on: April 23, 2014, 01:38:29 AM »
Hi Dieter,

Could you provide any sketch to complement your explanation? You are talking about two different secundaries.

A question for everyone:

1- If you get an induced current by flux linking two coils then it will appear the Lenz effect to oppose the primary field.

2- If you get an induced current by flux cutting the wires ,by motion, it will appear the Lorentz force to oppose the movement.

What do you think that happens when you get induction by flux cutting the wires into a motionless device? Will the Lorentz force appear into a motionless device ? If there is no movement then I think that there won´t be chance to suffer any force which blocks the movement of the fields (1908 device)

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