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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2334636 times)

forest

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1470 on: August 21, 2014, 09:26:16 PM »
Hmmm... my guess would be, none.

Cheers

Edit: That's a trick question, right?

Yes and no and ..no really...It's just very different point of view  ;) It's like a problem of big stone, you have to push up to hill, while having superior method you can do the same using less force (using wheels). I think Figuera patented his design because he experimentally found and was sure that those lines of force you mentioned are not as a whole used to generate electrical output in ordinary generators !
That's the only resonable explanation imho...

marathonman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1471 on: August 22, 2014, 07:49:28 PM »
Thank you Cadman N Shadow for those links both seam to be very good quality Iron. i don't know About the quality of the iron from Cadman's link yet  as i haven't gotten a response yet but Shadows link has iron called Vim Var Core Iron that's 99.8% pure Iron which will make awesome outer core material.
even for you Robert Adams fans.
 THANK YOU BOTH!
"Correction both links are ASTM 848 same specs pure iron" Vim Var Core and Best Mag / Best Mag Strip.
As per Bajac below i will try. Y core might be bigger though ????

bajac

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1472 on: August 23, 2014, 04:58:00 PM »
Most of the inventors do not really know the broad principle of operation of their inventions. 95% or more of the inventors fail to answer the question of, what is the invention? The answers of these inventors almost always contain construction details that have nothing to do with the broad concept of their inventions but that really limit the scope of intellectual property in their patent claims.  When these inventors hire a patent lawyer to draft their patents, the lawyers also usually fail very badly in securing a fair parcel of intellectual property for these inventors.


What I generally see as the broadest claim in all these patents are what is called "picture claims." A picture claim is an verbal description of whatever you see in one of the embodiment drafted in a patent. A picture claim is very specific and has a very very limited scope of intellectual property. That is why is so easy for competitor to design around an original concept disclosed in a patent. Therefore, be very proactive in the drafting of a patent if you are using a lawyer. I have experience with that.


I am saying all of the above because the Figuera's 1902 patent disclosed a very broad and important concept such as "BUILDING THE INDUCED COILS OF ROTARY GENERATORS WITH NON-MAGNETIC AND NON-METALLIC CORES." If Figuera's 1902 patent had stated the broadest claim based on this concept, then, any patent such as Flynn, my embodiment presented in figure 12 etc., would have paid royalties to Figuera within the the 20 years of enforcement of the patent. It is very important if you invent anything to be aware of these issues. If you are interested in knowing more about patent claiming, you can read "Invention Analysis And Claiming: A Patent Lawyer's Guide" second edition, by Ronald D. Slusky. This book is a classic.


On the other hand, I do not have too much time left because I have to go back to my other chores. I want to finalize the paper posted last Wednesday 8/19/14 by next week. If you have a comment or concern, please, post it in this forum so it can be addressed in this last revision.


Thanks again to all.
Bajac
« Last Edit: August 23, 2014, 07:20:34 PM by bajac »

forest

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1473 on: August 23, 2014, 08:44:00 PM »
Maybe some inventors didn't knew exactly why their devices worked, but imho the reason for patenting such way is simple. You cannot patent a wheel, you cannot patent a method being underlying principle of all those inventions. You cannot patent explanation of mistake in physics law.
Am I right ?

bajac

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1474 on: August 23, 2014, 09:32:41 PM »
forest,


You cannot patent the wheel because it is already known and invented.


But, you can patent all solutions to a problem you discovered, if no one else was aware that problem even existed. For example, Figuera did not have the right to patent all solutions to the problem of the dragging forces in an electric generator because it was a well known problem. However, he had the right to patent all solutions (method) for avoiding the drag whenever the solutions included induced coils with non-magnetic cores. No one knew that the counter torque in electrical generators could have been significantly reduced by using such method to the point of making said generators over unity.


Bajac
« Last Edit: August 24, 2014, 03:26:56 AM by bajac »

marathonman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1475 on: August 24, 2014, 09:46:52 PM »
You have to be a complete Moron to back up your stuff on line. WHY! so every Government NSA agent and Hackers can dig through your Sh!t.......SORRY not me fella. to each his own but i back up on site.

I have a new proposal to Figueras Devise . it came to me when i was studying and doodled it down with paint program. can someone please tell me if BEMF will kill this or not. i think the output will not influence the input.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1476 on: August 24, 2014, 10:05:17 PM »
There is no real direction on this thread for an individual to start experimenting. Those that think that core material is of paramount importance are moving in the wrong direction. This post is for those that have been searching for a low cost starting point. You need to start somewhere, here we have 99 pages, and as a joke I can say "we got 99 pages and a starting point aint one".

This all starts with the understanding of magnetic fields of the 3rd order. Every FE unit contains them to some degree. This post serves to introduce you to the concept. No electronics are needed just some coils. Most of you will disagree and will reply with something stupid as if you have any clue what it is your doing.

I do not reply to posts, it is below me, I only provide information. Those that try will learn something new, and be on the right path, those that don't have already decided there path. Lets start..........


Start by creating two coils, these will be called Coil A and Coil B. These coils (cores) are created with 1 1/4 - 1 1/2 PVC.

Coil A will consist of a PVC form roller of about 6 inches. On this you will roll 4 layers of #14 wire. Over the #14 wire you will wrap 4 - 6 turns of #8 wire. Note you can take #14 wire and bundle it together to create a thicker wire. It is important to know that thicker wire has more natural electricity then thinner wire. This to start will be an air core coil.

Coil B will consist of a PVC form roller of about 12". On this you will roll 2 layers of #14 wire. Over this you will roll 6 - 8 turns of #8 wire. Same applies as above, you can make thicker wire.

Connecting the coils:
First, it is important to understand that if Coil A is mounted horizontal then Coil B MUST be vertical and vice verse. The primary in Coil A should not influence Coil B in any way. Best to leave 1 foot distance between the coils to start. Also the primary and secondary of Coil A should not be grounded. Connect the secondary (#8 wire) of Coil A to the primary of Coil B (#14 wire). Remember this is NOT GROUNDED. The secondary of Coil B should be attached to a small load. This can be as simple as a small coil wrapped around a nail to check for magnetism. Also the secondary of Coil B should be grounded.

The primary of Coil A is connected as follows. Connect one side to a 12v battery, you will operate by hand the other side. Tap the terminal of a 12v battery with the other side. We are creating IMPULSES through Coil A. These impulses should be of short duration. Observe the results of the magnetism on Coil B. There is a difference between the impulses of Coil A and that of Coil B. Coil A is impulsed by the current of a battery and Coil B is impulsed by a magnetic field. The impulses from the battery are different from the magnetic field, here is where you need to observe and study. To recap the important last sentence. The impulses created from a battery are DIFFERENT then the impulses originating from magnetic fields. This is the only thing an FE experimenter should concern himself with.

Variations of the above experiment. Add iron to Coil B. To do this visit your local junk yard and get some "tire irons". With a hack saw cut the ends off and you will have good iron for electro-magnetic coils. Fill the inside of Coil B with this iron, re-test and record results of magnetic field. Remove iron and add to Coil A, re-test and record results. Increase the voltage of the primary and re-test. IDEALLY reduce the input voltage, of the primary, for the greatest magnetic effect.

There is enough experimental work here to carry the part-time experimenter for the rest of the year. Let it be known that you are experimenting with magnetic fields of the 3rd Order. These orders continue onward (4th, 5th, 6th ....etc) each with there own effect. An order is created when an ungrounded secondary is connected to the primary of another coil. It is up to YOU to experiment and find your own answers, I simple pointed you in the correct direction (after a lot of BS written here).


In conclusion......... written in one of the patents is a very, very, very small sentence that validates the above experiment. Much like the 'yoke' (y) it has eluded many.

Good luck.

bajac

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1477 on: August 25, 2014, 01:46:25 AM »
Fernandez,


Could you post pictures and videos of the device that is working based on the theory you just described? Because of the manner you expressed yourself, I can only assume that you have tested your theory. Otherwise, you would really have issues for calling other people's work BS.

It is my conviction that even if you are correct, you should be respectful with the people in this forum who are working very hard!


Thanks for sharing!


Bajac

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1478 on: August 25, 2014, 04:47:11 PM »
 I suspect Fernandez is close. Now lets see what becomes of his mental health.

Cadman

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« Reply #1479 on: August 25, 2014, 08:18:03 PM »
Hello again everyone,

Having convinced myself that the 1908 and later patents were based on the standard dynamos of their day, I threw out everything I thought I knew and started all over again.
I obtained a university level textbook on dynamo design published in 1908 and used the information and formulas from that book to create a design spreadsheet for the 1908 patent. Then I used the spreadsheet to create the specifications for a Figuera style generator with a gross output of 19 volt, 25 amp. All iron and electrical losses are included, even the commutator motor and a step-up transformer at 80%. The transformer was included as a loss in case it's use should be needed later.

The physical configuration of the generator is identical to a four pole dynamo except for the induced coils, which are located beneath the field poles instead of evenly spaced around the circumference of the armature. Also the armature does not rotate and there is no commutator for the armature. The induced coils are series connected with two parallel circuits, each one using nearly half of the armature circumference. It is self exciting through a step-up transformer with the field coil current varied by the separately driven commutator shown in the 1908 patent. Maximum field current regulation is via a separate shunt resistance. All iron parts would be insulated laminate construction.

The design results are rather eye opening.

Magnetic reversals per second: 60
Gross output: 19 volt, 25 amp
Net output: 18.6 volts, 10.13 amps

The most significant revelation in my opinion is this. It appears to be impossible to generate the output indicated if the calculated lines cut per wire, were only those lines passing directly through the unmoving induced wire from it's associated field pole. There simply isn't enough surface area per wire with the magnetic densities possible.

This leads me to conclude that the inducing magnetic field must rotate in order for the magnetic lines from every pole to pass through the induced wire each revolution as they do in a normal dynamo. Then the results I came up with would be produced. I believe Hanon posted about this a while back, that the 1908 commutator could produce a rotating field without using a 2 phase input. And didn't Figuera himself mention the egg of Columbus in relation to this device?

Stupify12, are you smiling from ear to ear?


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« Reply #1480 on: August 26, 2014, 04:45:41 AM »
What kind of calculator can be used to calculate an unknown coil? Im not saying you dont know what your coils design is.Im saying you dont know what figuera's coil design is. If you did know you would know more important features of the design which would be the focus like how and where to close the loop so the power in from source is balanced with the power out from the induced coil so it would be able to run without the source after it starts up. Closing the loop is the only important part but the term closing the loop is a poor substitute that will have to suffice. The drawings are abstract to explain the process only.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1481 on: August 26, 2014, 05:31:42 AM »
What kind of calculator can be used to calculate an unknown coil? Im not saying you dont know what your coils design is.Im saying you dont know what figuera's coil design is. If you did know you would know more important features of the design which would be the focus like how and where to close the loop so the power in from source is balanced with the power out from the induced coil so it would be able to run without the source after it starts up. Closing the loop is the only important part but the term closing the loop is a poor substitute that will have to suffice. The drawings are abstract to explain the process only.

Hi Doug,

The calculator is just a spreadsheet. The generator produces 19v 25a. The excitation current is about 2.15 amp. The net output is after the generator is 'looped', it is part of the losses calculated. There is nothing special about the coils in my design. The majority of the dynamos built were self-excited so it's not a new concept.

Regards



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« Reply #1482 on: August 26, 2014, 03:19:39 PM »
 It was not my original intention to publish the attached document related to air gap issues. I wanted to run some experiments first to validate this theory. I then thought that someone in this forum might have already come across with these issues. The question that I am trying to answer is, does the insertion of an air gap in an iron core substantially decrease the magnetic flux lines? Or, is this apparent reduction of the net field caused by a negative self-inductancion?
Please, let me know your thoughts. Thanks.
Bajac
« Last Edit: August 26, 2014, 08:10:16 PM by bajac »

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1483 on: August 26, 2014, 07:55:31 PM »
Hi,

I agree that current theory is flawed. We are not going to obtain overunity devices using current equations and models. In some moment in history we chose an incorrect , or limited, theory.

An interesting read: https://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/spring01/Electrodynamics.html

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« Reply #1484 on: August 26, 2014, 09:37:59 PM »
Hi,

I agree that current theory is flawed. We are not going to obtain overunity devices using current equations and models. In some moment in history we chose an incorrect , or limited, theory.

An interesting read: https://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/spring01/Electrodynamics.html

Maybe the error was in other place ? How the incorrect theory would allow so much progress ?