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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2334923 times)

nelsonrochaa

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1845 on: November 26, 2014, 01:38:43 PM »

Nelsonrochaa,

I find your description very interesting. I also did some research on this subject. I published a paper proposing what I believe to be the bases of operation of the Edwin Gray tube and devices that use only coils. I posted this paper back on 2012 at this site. You can find a copy of this paper in this link

http://www.scribd.com/doc/205259930/Tesla-Gray-Mark-Meyer-R04

I think what you stated is very close to what I proposed in the paper. Have you read this document?

Thank you for your help on this thread!

PS: for some reason I can find the document in this site.

Hi Bajac,
I read a lot, and of course I've read many articles about the subject GRAY.
Unfortunately never read the document that you generated.
If you have way to provide me would be grateful for'll share your thoughts.
I can not download without paying in scribd. :)
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« Reply #1846 on: November 26, 2014, 02:41:42 PM »

You are the first person I have seen who like myself refers to CEMF as the soul of the machine, and who seems to have found what I have found, but in a different manner.  Namely, you appear to be demonstrating the blending of the  two special case voltage and current sources, special case because they have the ability to seemingly overcome any impedance offered to them.  Specifically, you have a voltage source that overcomes impedance combined with a current source which overcomes impedance.  You are combining the voltage generated by an inductors opposition to change in current, with the current generated by a capacitors opposition to changes in voltage. It feels good seeing you do this, and doing so with relays.  I don't think folks really appreciate or realize what you are showing, I do, and am glad to finally see someone else doing it.  I think Ismael Aviso was one of the first to do something similar, but he never showed anyone any specifics.


Keep up the excellent work.

Regards

Hi Erfinder ,

I am pleased to know that someone really knew what tries to pass through my videos and sharing the same line of thought.
Your explanation is perfect :) taking one point or another :) but all paths give rome :)
I do not care about the popularity of my videos or that they are ignored by some people. My reward comes at the end of the day, when I analyze and compare what I learned that day.

I use relays and other savaged parts to show that is possible make work with low resources and unused parts, the important is know the main concept how it work.
I receive visits on my youtube channel,for  more than 90 different countries, where in some of these countries have not resources available, and to me is a way to promote and contribute to this type of research showing that can be done with limited resources.
But in my intimate, I believe that deep down even those shown skeptic, are curious about what I do.

If you want share some information call me nelsonrochaa@gmail.com
Thanks
Thanks and good work

bajac

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1847 on: November 26, 2014, 06:11:26 PM »
bajac

I think we are progressing so fast we need a quick look into the past and connect dots.
I strongly suggest this is  related (somehow): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ylYgUOfUzY
and this also http://www.richlandsource.com/community/article_fbac1344-779e-11e3-8a2f-10604b9f7e7e.html

Forest, Thank you for the references. They are very interesting.

I am convinced that the device shown in the Cook's 1871 patent works on the same principle of ironless induced coils (or low self-inductance induced coils) used by Ferranti, Messrs, Siemens, Mordey, and Figuera.

I will not write a paper for this device so I will try to explain it in this post. I am also attaching a copy of the Cook's patent No. 119,825 for reference.

The basic inventive concept of this patent consists of an over unity transformer having a straight iron core configuration. This is totally different from today's standard transformers which have a closed iron core configuration. If you remember a paper I posted about three months ago, I explained that coils having straight iron cores have very high self-inductance similar to the high inductance of the coils having closed iron cores. The three elements used to build this over unity transformer are shown in figure 1 of the patent as the straight iron core 'A', the primary coil 'B', and the secondary output coil 'C'.

The key to this invention is to have the primary coil 'B' tightly wound to the straight iron core 'B' and the secondary coil 'C' placed concentric with the primary coil but keeping a small gap or non-magnetic separation between the two coils. To create the gap, you can use non-magnetic materials such as thin cardboard paper, etc. The gap needs to be optimize so that the magnetic field of the primary coil 'B' is strong enough to induce a voltage in the secondary coil 'C' but not too close so that the small magnetic field of the induced current in the coil 'C' interferes with the field of the primary coil 'B' (similar to the armature reaction.)

By following the above recommendation and the instructions from the patent, you will end up with an over unity transformer having a primary coil 'B' with a high self-inductance and a secondary coil 'C' with very low self-inductance (similar to the ironless coils).

The ingenuity of Cook's design is that the power of the transformer can be increased by just increasing the length of the straight iron core 'A' and the number of turns of the primary and secondary coils. This device does not have the drawback of the devices built by Ferranti, Messrs, Siemens, Mordey, and Figuera, which require an increase of the air gap for increasing power.

The way the Cook's device operates should be as follows:
When an AC voltage is applied to the primary coil 'B', a strong magnetic field is created around the primary coil 'B' and the straight iron core 'A'. This strong magnetic field can be created with a small electric energy due to the high permeability of the iron core 'A' causing the high self-inductance of the primary coil 'B'. When this magnetic field travels through the non-magnetic gap, it induces a voltage in the secondary coil 'C'. If a load is connected to the secondary coil 'C', a current will circulate through this coil. However, because of the low self-inductance of the secondary coil 'C', the induced magnetic field should be weak minimizing the current reflected from the load back to the primary coil 'B'. That is, an increase of the load current should not considerably affect the primary exciting current. As a result, this transformer should experience a power gain.

Now you may ask, what is the big deal with the device shown in figure 2?

To answer the above question, you need to take into account that in the 1860's Mr. Cook did not have a source of AC power to feed his transformer. The only reliable source of electrical power was provided by DC batteries or chemical reaction. Faraday's principles was in its infancy and there was a race to invent a practical dynamo (if I remember well.) That is why I interpret the following statement "...in such a manner as to produce a constant electric current without the aid of a galvanic battery." as a statement of a self-excited generator. In other words, once excited, the external DC power supply can be disconnected from the generator.

In addition, a few weeks ago I commented that the Figuera's 1902 motionless electric generator or over unity transformer should not have a direct feedback from the output back into the input coil. I mentioned that it was required to decouple the input and output voltages.

Then, how did Mr. Cook solve the problem of self excitation? As shown in figure 2 of the patent, he just cascaded two over unity transformers in a closed loop configuration. Because each of the transformers shown in figure 2 should have over unity, the output of one transformer should be able to supply the small excitation input power of the other transformer and yet have spare power to drive a connected load. The device shown in figure 2 should be able to power two loads, each load connected to a secondary coil 'C'.

The way Mr. Cook excited the device shown in figure 2 is explained in the last paragraph found on page 2 of the patent. He used a battery to excite the circuit. Once excited, the circuit was able to maintain an AC voltage.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2014, 03:25:26 AM by bajac »

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1848 on: November 26, 2014, 11:58:58 PM »
I like the way this thread is heading. We are really making some progress.

Now, we know that the concept for using low self-inductance induced coils was not the original idea of Ferranti or Figuera, but Mr. Cook.

Figuera's 1908 device is very peculiar because is the only overunity generator that uses high self-inductance induced coils, that is, induced coils with high permeability iron cores. To make it work, Figuera devised an ingenious method of pulling the strong reaction of the secondary induced coils away from the primary inducing coils.

There are still considerable information that need to be analyzed from the Cook's patent. When I read it the first time, I did not quite understand it. I will be posting some quotes from the patent so I can get your input.

Notice that the claim from the Cook's patent only recites the combination shown in figure 2. If you get a patent today with such claims, you would have given your invention freely to the competition. Your competitors can just use a single over unity transformer invented by you without paying royalties. I understand that during Cook's time it was not possible to use a single transformer because there was not AC power source. However, the responsibility of a lawyer or whoever is drafting the claims is to anticipate the future by claiming first the essence of the invention, which is the inventive concept. Think about it, an invention is a concept, an abstract, an idea. The embodiment happens to be a way to implement the concept. The implementation of the embodiments changes with the technology, but the inventive concept does not.

To date, Cook's over unity transformer is the simplest of all I have seen. :)


 
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« Reply #1849 on: November 27, 2014, 01:22:54 AM »
Hi Bajac,
I read a lot, and of course I've read many articles about the subject GRAY.
Unfortunately never read the document that you generated.
If you have way to provide me would be grateful for'll share your thoughts.
I can not download without paying in scribd. :)
Thanks
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Nelsonrochaa,

I have attached the latest version of the document to this post. I am also attaching a paper that I wrote back in 2012 for the overvoltage induced in ungrounded power systems.

For more information, you can also refer to the following threads related to this document:

http://www.overunity.com/9101/tesla-is-the-father-of-the-tpu/#.VHZnWU10zIU

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11291-tesla-father-tpu-part-2-a.html

Bajac

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« Reply #1850 on: November 27, 2014, 04:45:24 AM »
Bajac Cook,s patient is not complete it is missing part D in which i have not been able to find anywhere. the patient has been stripped of the rest of parts that are essential for operation.

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« Reply #1851 on: November 27, 2014, 05:18:58 AM »
Nice thread.
Does anyone have a link to the complete Buforn 1910 - 1914 patent? I know sections have been translated however I am interested in the whole document(in English). Google translate doesn't do a good job.

Thanks for any help.

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« Reply #1852 on: November 27, 2014, 05:28:28 AM »
Bajac Cook,s patient is not complete it is missing part D in which i have not been able to find anywhere. the patient has been stripped of the rest of parts that are essential for operation.

Marathonman,

Thanks for your comment.

I also noticed it. It was my first impression that this patent was tampered with. However, it looks to me that we should be able to figure it out based on the specification part. I have confidence that we can make the connections. For example, we can find out how the device was excited with the missing battery circuit, which includes resistors and switches.

I would like to have a prototype to see how the system behaves from the excited part to the steady state mode. I expect to see a sine wave. But, what would be the frequency? What are the factors for predicting the operating frequency? Etc.

Before we go crazy with the system shown in figure 2, I think we should do baby steps. First, let us just test a single transformer for over unity.

OMG, I really love this detective work! 8)

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« Reply #1853 on: November 27, 2014, 11:19:08 AM »

Nelsonrochaa,

I have attached the latest version of the document to this post. I am also attaching a paper that I wrote back in 2012 for the overvoltage induced in ungrounded power systems.

For more information, you can also refer to the following threads related to this document:

http://www.overunity.com/9101/tesla-is-the-father-of-the-tpu/#.VHZnWU10zIU

Hi

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11291-tesla-father-tpu-part-2-a.html

Bajac

Hi Bajac ,
thanks for the information i will read :) . I read a loot .
One more time thanks

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« Reply #1854 on: November 27, 2014, 06:01:40 PM »
If someone tells you perpetual motion is not possible do you not consider that at some point in time everything even fire was at one time or another impossible?
  A law exist which states it is not possible. If it is not possible would you need a law to state the obvious.
  Is the law to state a fact or to control a behavior? If it is a description of nature then you are stating you know everything about everything and there is no question you can not answer. Yet history would clearly indicate that through out time people have claimed to know everything based on the observations possible at the time in question, which change with advances in technology over time. In other words, most  don't know shit and just want everyone to think so.
  There is a lot I don't know or even want to know. I do know one thing.The distance between point A and B is not etched in stone and if you decide to take the longest route possible you better have a good pair of shoes. Every distraction will lead you further away from the shortest route.

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« Reply #1855 on: November 27, 2014, 08:01:07 PM »
Doug1

Exactly ! the amount of strange patents prove something is fishy inside our books, incomplete.

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« Reply #1856 on: November 28, 2014, 12:40:06 AM »
Nice thread.
Does anyone have a link to the complete Buforn 1910 - 1914 patent? I know sections have been translated however I am interested in the whole document(in English). Google translate doesn't do a good job.

Thanks for any help.

This is the only file with Buforn´s patents. It is the original spanish text. There are not translations into english

http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/buforn.pdf

I have read them and all Buforn´s patent are exact copies one on the other and all are copies of the Figuera 1908 patent. You can see it just by comparing the figures in Buforn´s patents and the figure in Figuera´s patent

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« Reply #1857 on: November 28, 2014, 01:16:37 AM »
Hi all,

Important video to watch and digest:

A user in the spanish forum (link) has uploaded a video with the induced coils placed perpendiculary to the inducer electromagnets and using like poles facing each other (N--induced--N) (repulsion mode). Powered with AC from the mains.

See the results: the input is not affected when adding a load in the induced circuit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st254llePPs

Thank you very much to this user for noting this effect when testing his devices some time ago.

Regards

Does anyone try to replicate this important test ??  Please comment


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« Reply #1858 on: November 28, 2014, 03:55:35 AM »
This is the only file with Buforn´s patents. It is the original spanish text. There are not translations into english

http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/buforn.pdf

I have read them and all Buforn´s patent are exact copies one on the other and all are copies of the Figuera 1908 patent. You can see it just by comparing the figures in Buforn´s patents and the figure in Figuera´s patent

Regards

Thanks for the reply. My Spanish is not that good and I was able to fumble through some of it. Figuera patents aren't that long, Buforn's is over 100 pages. From what I was able to make out he starts taking about the energy from the sun and the magnetic field of the earth. I was hoping to save myself some time and maybe get a translated copy.

What I find strange in  both patents is that they state "....and this current that traverses a magnetic field originates the induced current" Taken from page 95 bottom paragraph. Here they are stating that the alternating current is traversing a magnetic field. Whats strange is "how does the current traverse a magnetic field?" If the alternating current is creating the magnetic field how can it also traverse it?

Its the age old question "What came first, the magnetic field that created the current or the current that created the magnetic field".

Anyway, I built a horseshoe electromagnet and added a closely spaced armature. On this armature I wrapped a heavy gauge coil. The electromagnets are about 800 turns of 22 gauge. Pulsed the magnets in series and parallel. The only interesting anomaly was that when I touched the armature with a ground wire I was able to create a heavy spark that jumped to the core on the horseshoe electromagnet. At one point I created a small flame that shot out from the air gap between the armature and the electromagnet.

This was short lived, after about 5 minutes the effect disappeared and I have not been able to manifest it again. The air gap between the armature and the horseshoe is a little thicker then a credit card.

I am in the process of revamping my rig to allow for a greater flexibility when it comes to experimenting. Like everyone else I dont have much time.

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« Reply #1859 on: November 28, 2014, 04:15:03 PM »
A quote found in the first column of the Cook's patent reads:

"The iron core A may be a solid bar or a bundle of iron wire, the latter giving higher tension to the current with equal length and fineness of wire."

Why is that?

Well, the laminated or bundle iron core decreases the magnitude of the Eddy currents induced in the iron core. But we only think of the Eddy current losses as an energy loss in the form of heat - Joules' losses. The truth is that the Eddy currents are created by the action of the primary magnetic field and as such they also must follow the effects of the Lenz's law. In other words, the Eddy currents in turn generate a reaction magnetic field that will tend to cancel the magnetic field that produces it in the first place. That is, another effect of the Eddy currents is to reduce the magnitude of the primary magnetic field.

Based on the above, do you understand now why Mr. Cook made that statement? Mr. Cook discovered the magnetic reduction created by the Eddy currents by experimentation. This magnetic loss is in addition to the magnetic hysteresis loss.

The effect on the primary magnetic field due to the Eddy currents is to reduce the magnetic field, which in turn reduces the induced voltage in the secondary coil resulting in a decrease of the KW generated by the device. It is not really a loss that affects the efficiency  but the output capacity of the transformer. It is interesting because I do not remember reading that information from our college or technical books, which relates the Eddy current losses to heat only.