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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2334728 times)

RandyFL

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« Reply #2085 on: April 09, 2015, 10:09:27 AM »
A.King21
I watched it a few times... His toroid is from steel laminate which keeps its magnetism after the power is turned off...which may/or may not keep tapping into ZPE. Which leads me to think about the inefficient grid and inefficient motors and appliances we have in our homes...parity is reached by investing in those companies ( but that's not the scope of this forum ).

Interestingly...since we don't know what electricity is and conventional science doesn't recognize Tesla, and his apparatuses, or Clemente...I'm sure research scientists, military Industrial complex and various govt. interests know what is useful in keeping us slaves...

I keep reading and re reading Patrick's website and marvel at the useful things you can do with electricity, magnetism and ZPE. When I first stumbled onto his website I was very much interested in scalar waves ( and I still am ) and whenst I finish with the " Figuera " if I finish...there's plenty of other paths to go down...

NRamaswami
......"We cannot use permanent magnets to generate electricity like this. If they are heated they would lose their magnetism. This is why you do not see the commercial use of the table top devices that produce COP>1 results. The moment significant current is produced permanent magnets would be heated and then they would lose their magnetism. "....

 to add to your statement...that's why figuera used the transformers the way He did...the heat is generated in the resistors ( wires )...He also had access to students ( since He was a well respected Professor ) and He had access to equipment to teach and do His own research...


My progress report...I am meeting with a co conspirator this morning over breakfast to discuss ways of securing my iron 2 mm away from the other iron to get the magnetism to effect the secondary...my progress has slowed to a snail's pace because I am on the verge of vacation next week and reconstructive foot surgery next month...hopefully by the middle of summer I should be getting good results hopefully.............

NRamaswami

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2086 on: April 09, 2015, 01:38:24 PM »
Thanks Randy;

I have request to all Forum members..

We are aware that permanent magnets are agitated when they are brought near an Electromagnet and it starts happening at a significant distance of 3 to 4 feet from the electromagnet or more based on strength of the electromagnet.

Now a rotating permanent magnet is able to generate electricity. However I have not been able to get a voltage by winding coils around small permanent magnets and bringing them near electromagnets. Can others check this. The permanent magnets I had are very small and the windings were few. Can some friend check this and find out and advise if the permanent magnets that are kept at a distance from an electromagnet produce electricity in coils wound around them. This then would act as a source of substantial energy. I do not know why this has not been done. Was it because the permanent magnets are different from electromagnets..Can some body check and advise please.

I used neodymium magnets. That need not be the case with this experiment and we can simply use iron magnets that are large. Even if they are demagnetized, remagnetizing them is quite easy.

May I request the other members to try this and advise. what happens. If there is no voltage developed then it would mean that permanent magnets can produce a rotating magnetic field only by physical rotation. Please do experiment and post results. I'm obliged. Thanks.

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« Reply #2087 on: April 09, 2015, 01:47:32 PM »
if I'm right it is even simpler then "so simple you would laugh"  :P   Every transformer should be 200% efficient or in other words the current generated in secondary has the mirror energy of current flowing in primary.Energy is created in exact and opposite manner. Period. Faraday law of induction is flawed or incomplete. Newton III law is complete and most basic law of nature.
There are two reasons why free energy is no available widely :
-  it doesn't exists
- it's un-patentable idea so simple that a 5 years child can build device and make it running


What would you like to choose ?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2088 on: April 09, 2015, 01:51:35 PM »
Kunel patent  ;D  Willis patent is a modified copy of this.

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« Reply #2089 on: April 09, 2015, 05:19:35 PM »
NRamaswami,
I will try the experiment...un fortunately not today tho...my wife's day off is today so I might be able to do it tonight...
I found a youtube video that is interesting...about magnets inducing electricity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FehUCQKKRwo

on another note...I found someone to state categorically that magnetism will jump an air gap ( and yes I thought it did before I asked ) I will ask another question more to the point...the mathematics involved ( and yes I know about the turns ratio ).

ciao

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« Reply #2090 on: April 09, 2015, 07:39:20 PM »
Randy:

Thank you so much.

On another note I believe that I have substantially disclosed all that I learnt. Specifically that there are two methods of doing this.

a. Wind a secondary thick wire first on the insualtion on the iron core and then wind a shunted coil and on the shunted coil wind the primary wire. This is one variation of Primaries.

b. Wind the secondary thick wire first on the insulation on the iron core and then wind the multifilar primary coils.

C. Transformer turn ration does not apply here. What matters is magnetic field strength. Do not go by your transformer turns ratios.

d. Use the magnetic flux available on the primary and in between the opposite poles.

e. connect the secondary in series.. Series can be direct from Primary to central secondary to Primary 2 and so on or alternately all secondaries on all primaries first and then all secondaries on the middle coils. I prefer the primary-middle secondary-primary2 and so on type of winding of the secondary coils.

f. This device cannot be used for powering automobiles. If you want to power automobiles you need to use smaller cores and higher saturation iron which carries with it, risks of saturated iron working for long time and may result in fires. Try to make as big a primary electromagnet as possible and use it to generate power. 

g. I have avoided dislosing the risky parts. There are certain things that can be done by taking some risks but it is not prudent to take such risks if you are not trained nor equipped with specially trained people or environment for high voltage operations. That I have avoided and I have specifically requested all not to attempt that part.

h. For my own reasons I may not post further on this forum. This is due to the need to focus on my work and for ensuring that I'm able to pay my staff and run my family. Not for any thing else.

Patrick J Kelly agreed with me. I would avoid posting but once in a week or so I would watch the forum. If any one needs any clarification while doing the replication they can always ask me by pming me here. I will watch the messages once in a day and will definitely respond. It is certainly possible that because of the lack of photos or detailed pictures except in the document, some doubts may come and I would be happy to explain to the best of my understanding.

I'm a Lawyer and I do not know much about Magnetics or Electricity. I studied Patricks book in February 2013 and contacted him first on February 3, 2013. He agreed to guide me to build the hubbard device and created an electronic circuit for that. The device was built to the specifications given by Patrick based on some information received. The device did not work. Then Patrick retired. Unable to do any thing I prayed to Sri Namagiri Lakshmi Thayar of Namakkal in Tamil Nadu, India to give me the knowledge and promised to make the information public if the knowledge is given to me. Sri Namagiri Lakshmi Thayar of Namakkal is incidentally the family Goddess of Mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan and she appeared before his mother and directed her to permit her son to go to England. She gave the wisdom to Ramanujan. After my prayers within a short time the Figuera device was done. The COP>8 results were obtained. But I was shocked by the passing away of the Electrician who did this experiment within a very short period. He passed away on 6/9/2013. Very short period.

You can see the Electrician Narayanan The Green shirted bespectacled man in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=196&v=79Z6Z0BpcOY

He has earlier went through three intestinal surgeries and was advised that his life span is short and so has avoided marrying and died at the age of 48. Came to the office on 3/9/2013 complained of stomach pain and I had him dropped at his home and on 4/9/2013 he went and met the doctor and then was hospitalized and went in to a coma on 5th and passed away on 6th. He is the person who measured the 630 volts and first and then stopped the experiment and then disconnected the secondaries and connected them to earth and saw that it showed 620 volts and 20 amps. Refused to go any further and stopped the experiment immediately. That was a major shock to us. When we recommenced at the instance of Patrick another carpenter had an eye injury and I had him treated. From that time he refuses even to come to my office.

I have discussed with Patrick and he has agreed that I must focus on work. Why this kind of power devices did not come to the market is simple. This is some how a jinxed field. people who venture in to this suffer. I have personally suffered severe financial losses.

I have provided full information and maintained my promise. I was thinking that I can take it forward and can replicate what figurea did and improve upon it. I did make an improvement by avoiding the rotary disc and the complicated circuit arrangement. But this is due to the extensive availability of AC power today. I was able to figure out how to create a large magnet using the smallest input possible and created a kind of a very large device.

In my honest opinion you should study Daniel McFarland cook Patent and Figuera Patent. At that time all you needed to do was to build a working device and take it to the Patent office and demonstrate it. Full disclosure or what is called as sufficiency of disclosure or written description requirement and best mode disclosure was not insisted upon as done now but a working model was demanded. If the working model was there even if the description is cryptic it was granted. So many early patents suffer from this problem. Also the words had a different meaning at that time. We may not understand it correctly.

I do believe that we did could have been done in a better way. And I do believe that better variations are certainly possible. But I'm satisfied that I have maintained my prayer and had made full disclosure as far as I can see. Should any one have a doubt please pm me and I would respond within 24 to 48 hours. I wish you all success in your replication efforts.






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« Reply #2091 on: April 10, 2015, 06:29:06 PM »
I am pleased to say that two form members have informed me and Patrick that they are going to try to replicate the device. One friend asked some clarifications and I have given some how to construct  instruxtions. I will post the instructions tomorrow.

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« Reply #2092 on: April 11, 2015, 02:21:25 AM »
Hello All

Ramaswami,
I too am still interested in this...but I still have to finish with what I started...

My co conspirator and I soldered the iron parts that I bought last year from Ed Fagin...and now I have to test it ( the test where you use it as a electromagnet and it picks up paper clips and whenst the electricity stops the clips drop ). The iron from Ed Fagin has been very good but very strong ( it was hard to machine in a lathe )...my error was I had the iron cut too small...

All the Best

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« Reply #2093 on: April 11, 2015, 11:26:37 AM »
Thanks Randy

Hello All

Here are the construction details I provided in the email to the friends who are attempting to replicate the device.

There are three components here.

P1 core - A plastic Tube about 18 inches long and 4 inches in diameter. Larger the diameter the better. I used a 4 inch diameter tube.

P2 Core - Similar to P1

S1 Core - A Plastic tube about 12 inches in length and 2.5 inches in diameter.

1. First wind the Secondary coil on the P1 core. This was an plastic insulated 4 sq mm wire. It is not the enamalled magnet wire. For reasons that are not known to me thicker the insulation greater is the amperage  produced in the secondary or drawn from the mains in the primary. The wire coil was either aluminium or Copper insulated wires. Aluminium wire is 5 times cheapter than copper wire but not knowing this I initially bought copper wire and later on started purchasing Aluminium wire. So the winding was partly copper and partly Aluminium.

2. Please wind three layers of the secondary wire first on the primary coil P1. If the starting point is the North Pole or Head the end point is the South Pole or Tail.

3. Then wind the quadfilar wire. The quadfilar wire is not the four core wire you buy in the market ready made. We bought four wires and duct taped them and then wound them over the secondary. It came to about Four layers of the primary wire wound over the secondary wire.

4. Now connect the end of the first wire of the Primary to the beginning of the second wire of the primary and the end of the second wire to the beginning of the third wire and end of the third wire to the beginning of the fourth wire.

5. Current to be given from the outside to the inside. Please provide a circuit breaker or fuze of 15 amps.

6. Please check the voltage and amperage drawn in the primary and the voltage and amperage produced in secondary after placing iron rods in the P1 core. P1 secondary should produce at least 200 volts on its own. If it does not please unwind and add more turns to the secondary. 

7. Please create a similar P2 core and check as in step 6 separately. Do not worry if the values are different. Windings are all in the same direction always.

8. Please connect the Two primaries and two secondaries of the primaries and check voltage and amperage drwan by primary. The voltage and amperage drwan by the primary must now come down. The voltage of the secondary must go up if connected to load. Check what is the voltage of the secondary. The connection is made NS-NS

9. Now build a five to seven layer secondary on the middle smaller diameter tube. 

10. Connect the secondary wires in P1-S1-P2 in series. NS-NS-NS. Plese check the voltage of the secondary without connecting to any load. If it is about 600 volts please connect to the two earth points and note down the voltage and amperage readings. The resistance provided by the earth will show the amperage in the meters. Please note down the voltage and amperage. Please see what is the input wattage in the primary and what is the output wattage in the secondary.

11. Please do not wind excessively. If your input is about 220 volts the first P1 alone would draw between 15 to 18 amps maximum. When you connect the P2 the amperage drawn is reduced to about 7 to 8 amps. If you add the Primary P3 the amperage drawn further reduces. This is due to the increasing resistance of the primary wire.

12. Secondary voltage keeps increasing and along with voltage the amperage from secondary also increases. This is best seen by first connecting to two earth points. You can independently check this on the secondary in the middle alone.

13. It is not clear to me as to why this happens. Are we drawing Telluric currents by having two earth points with different potential difference? Are we createing current because the wires are made up of different metals? Are we creating two rotating tubes around the central secondary and is there a low pressure area that attracts more elctrons to the secondary in the middle. Is this is due to the attractive force of magnetism between opposite poles? Or is the quadfilar produces a strong magnetic field which creates a powerful magnetic field in the central core and is this powerful magnetic field is responsbile for the power output?. I do not know really.

14. We have seen that the 4 sq mm wire develops about 10 amps in the secondary at the 300 volts level and develops 20 amps at the 620 volts level.

I5. If you are connecting to a step down transformer please take from the earth points and test and also test directly. That will tell us what is the source of the excess current. Step down transformer may have to be custom built to meet the output of secondary.

16. As you add more primaries power drawn from the mains must reduce and the secondary output must increase. This is some thing too difficult to believe but is the design characteristic of Figuera. However if you are going to reduce the power input then the number of wire turns on the primary must be increased. Maintain the magnetic field strength and use thick secondary wire and increase the number of turns to increase the voltage and the amperage developed in the secondary is what this design does.

I have requested the friends who intend to replicate to go step by step and not to rush. Measure the input and output and be careful every step of the way. Nothing more. The design as verified by me works. It needs to be replicated and validated independently by others.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2015, 01:38:23 PM by NRamaswami »

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« Reply #2094 on: April 13, 2015, 09:22:30 AM »
Hi All

I have been asked to reconstruct the prototypes so it can be tested in an independent high voltage lab that has the facilities to measure the input and output. Attached are the pictures of the first layer of secondary on P1. This may look very crude and rudimentary at first sight but you can see that there are 85 turns to the secondary in the first layer on P1. Since it is hand wound for every layer the turns are reduced by 1 turn. As you can see the wires have been wound again and again and so have lot of insulation tapes on them and when completed before winding the primary another insulation layer or thick plastic sheet is put on the secondary before we wind the primary. I'm sorry the other devices shown here look very sophisticated and this is not but ultimately what matters is the principle of operation and not the look of the coils.

I have also included the photos of two 9 filar primary coils inside which we put the 2.5 inch dia secondary coil with 5 layers. Output wattage is far less than a normal transformer. We have done several experiments before coming to the conclusion that the magnetic flux on the two primaries as in a normal transformer and the magnetic flux between the two opposite poles all need to be used to generate the output to be higher than the input.

Hanon can certainly ask why you have not put 7 such devices in series as shown in the patent..No funds to do that is the real answer. Every one of these efforts has cost me personal funds. I have no students who would do project work for me, no institution that would give me funds to do the research and I'm not getting paid to teach the students like a Professor in working Instituion. And they are all dismissive of that this is not worth even looking at. Only one professor has now very kindly agreed to take a look at this and ask his students to study this if and only if I reconstruct the device and get it certified from an independent lab of his choice. So I'm reconstructing. Photos will come slowly.

I have built five secondary layers on P1 and five secondary layers on S1. They are indicated in the document as S1 and S5. We will now need to wind the S2 coil and then wind the primary coil and then test each one of the cores P1 and P2 separately and then join all of them and note down the output voltage and amperage separately.

I will keep you posted as we do the work but the next post may come after one week.


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« Reply #2095 on: April 13, 2015, 12:03:13 PM »
Ramaswami,
You don't need a Lab to verify the results...if you have seen the results, its posted on Patrick's website and you've warned about the experimentation... so be it. If you used the " mains " to start it up...disconnect it on video and if it keeps running " overUnity ". Case over.
IMHO its a waste of time and money to pursue it any further. When I first got started building the circuit part of the figuera I realized some of the connections on Patrick's website were wrong I almost gave up half way thru it...bottom Line...I didn't and learned a lot about circuits and electricity and human behavior in the process...now there's arduinos and raspberry pi s to play with and other paths to go down....

Provide electricity to your family, friends and pass the knowledge to whoever is interested.

All the Best
Randy
ps its been a chaotic weekend and I'm behind on everything

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« Reply #2096 on: April 13, 2015, 04:10:27 PM »
Randy;

I apologize. I do not claim to have made a self sustaining Generator as of this moment. This is demonstrated by Tariel Kapanadze only in videos posted on the net as of this moment and I do not include the Permanent magnet based devices in this list.   

All I have said is that we have measured COP>8 in the device but it came only at high voltage and since is risky we stopped it. It is theoretically possible to give it to a step down transformer and give the part of the output back to the primaries. This must ensure that both the input voltage and amperage and feedback voltage and amperage are same and are given through a make before you brake kind of a switch. I felt it is risky and have avoided it.

The other option was to give the power from a UPS and then keep the UPS to be powered and recharge the batteries of the UPS from the step down transformer through suitable means. This is a reasonably safe approach. But this will require facilities and trained hands for which I do not have the money to pay nor the facilities to do at this time. Secondly what I'm saying is against the theories. When we say some thing against the theory it must be validated by an independent laboratory as correct before we can ask for Research and development support or grants or ask Universities to study this subject. Only when such a report is available others will start taking a series look at the whole project and would support it or it will die a natural death. If I do not do this, the time and money invested and knowledge gained would become a waste and will not be useful to any one. I will be seen as some one making tall claims without verification. Both replication and verification are essential for any statement to be acceptable.

It is possible that I might hold some information but it is not because of any reasons to keep things secret. We are dealing with High voltage, high amperage and low frequency electricity and it is dangerous. Tariel Kapanadze's device is a high voltage and high frequency device. High Frequency high voltage current is not dangerous as most of the time the amperage is in milliamps and the current will not penetrate the body due to skin effect and is dangerous only if you are standing on wet earth or are connected to earth.

Let me again state categorically that I have not built a self sustaining generator. I'm far far away from that stage. That I have never ever claimed. Even Tesla has never claimed it in any known patent. I do have a suspcion that he has done it in 1887 to 1889 but he does not disclose this. The only persons who have claimed or are reported to have demonstrated such devices are Daniel MaFarland Cook, Prof. Figuera, Hubbard, Hendershot, T.H. Moray and Joesph H. Cater  and Ed Gray sr and the permanent magnet based devices and (possibly Don Smith) Tariel Kapanadze in that order. The Moray device is reported to be based on radioactivity. I also suspect that beginning from Hubbard secrecy directions may have been imposed on full disclosure patent applications. Tariel Kapanadze's patent suffers from lack of sufficiency of disclosure. All I have done is to see a COP>8 effect at usable levels of power supply.  Nothing more.

Thank you for asking this question and this has enabled me to clarify things clearly.   

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« Reply #2097 on: April 18, 2015, 10:42:19 PM »
It's not baked till the fat lady can self run. All notable effects mentioned and aside for now. 

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« Reply #2098 on: April 19, 2015, 03:45:50 AM »
Thanks Doug

I will first replicate the performance in a reverse mode using 12 volt and 16 amps transformer and build the secondary as a step up transformer. Let me see if I can get 220 volts and higher wattage than provided. If it does then I should be able to take power from a UPS and feed the UPS from the ouput and also light lamps. Let me see if it is doable in a few weeks and if I can do it post the video

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« Reply #2099 on: April 19, 2015, 04:39:52 PM »
I think your hourglass shaped core is providing a large portion of advantage to prevent flux leakage. I dont know how ells to describe the shape.