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Author Topic: Super simple way to see proof Pseudo Solid principle works using ring magnets  (Read 88722 times)

Floor

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Re: Super simple way to see proof Pseudo Solid principle works using ring magnets
« Reply #105 on: February 23, 2015, 07:29:34 PM »
@norman6538
Hey Norman good  to se you

@gammaRayburst

A couple of files to help people understsnd what would be measured.
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Re: Super simple way to see proof Pseudo Solid principle works using ring magnets
« Reply #106 on: February 23, 2015, 07:31:39 PM »
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Floor

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Re: Super simple way to see proof Pseudo Solid principle works using ring magnets
« Reply #107 on: February 23, 2015, 07:35:15 PM »
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Re: Super simple way to see proof Pseudo Solid principle works using ring magnets
« Reply #108 on: February 23, 2015, 08:59:30 PM »
@norman6538
Hey Norman good  to se you

@gammaRayburst

A couple of files to help people understsnd what would be measured.
Lookin good
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Refering to the PDF. Is it only 5 or 6 samples in one cycle?


Vidar

Floor

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Re: Super simple way to see proof Pseudo Solid principle works using ring magnets
« Reply #109 on: February 24, 2015, 02:49:56 AM »
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QUOTE FROM VIDAR  "Referring to the PDF. Is it only 5 or 6 samples in one cycle?"

The incarnation of pseudo solid device he presented in this context has 6 movements.
1 magnet slides ....2 steel bars attract......the magnet is returned......the 2 steel bars
are reset.... this is 6 motions....or 4 if you consider the movements of both steel bars
as single output and reset motions,  in 1 cycle.

I don't know how may samples or how many of increments of the movements
Butch might measure. 
May be as many as 15 samples in the output motion ?
One for the output stroke retun ? 
Two for the first magnet motion ?
One for the magnet return.?

I don't even know if he is planning to make measurements at this time.
It's only something we were discussing.  Ideas about the what and
how to proceed.  This is his project and I want to make sure that I do not
interfere with his process and decisions.

There are a lot of preperations and there are a lot of variables and choices to consider
in this kind of undertakeing, if there is to be meaningful result.

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gammarayburst

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VERY, VERY important question!!!
« Reply #110 on: February 26, 2015, 10:04:29 PM »
Please look at the attached drawing of a directional magnetic material I have come up with and please give your opinion on these questions I have.
1. Notice that if the material is 6 inches long that half of it is non-ferromagnetic and that part of it has close to the same ability to conduct a magnetic field as air.
2. Now notice that bar A is only 3 inches from the magnet and 1/2 inches to the side of the directional material bar. That means that the magnetic field would have 3 & 1/2 inches to travel to bar A and only 2 inches of air to travel through. But to travel to B it has 6 inches to travel and half of that, 3 inches, is air.
3. Do you agree that the field of the magnet will take the path of least resistance and go to bar A?
If this is the case then this will make the Pseudo Solid effect work!
Thanks, Butch LaFonte

Floor

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Re: Super simple way to see proof Pseudo Solid principle works using ring magnets
« Reply #111 on: February 26, 2015, 11:58:30 PM »
@GammaRayBurst

I'll have to think on it.

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Floor

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Re: Super simple way to see proof Pseudo Solid principle works using ring magnets
« Reply #112 on: February 27, 2015, 04:17:57 PM »
@GammaRayBurst

The flow of magnetic energy  under some conditions behaves in
ways similar to an electric current.  Electric currents don't simply
take the path of least resistance.  An electric current divides between
paths in proportion to the electrical resistance of those paths, in accordance
ohms law and kirchoff's law.   

Under the conditions in the drawing the magnetic “current”  should
I think,  divide between both bars A and B, with most of it circulating
through the nearest bar.   

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gammarayburst

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I agree Floor
« Reply #113 on: February 27, 2015, 09:44:58 PM »
"Under the conditions in the drawing the magnetic “current”  should
I think,  divide between both bars A and B, with most of it circulating
through the nearest bar. "

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I agree Floor. This is a game changer I feel. I believe the closer A gets to the directional material, the less field will go to B.
This opens up a new realm of Pseudo Solid designs.
This directional material could be built at home using square washers with a non-ferromagnetic material of the same thickness placed between the steel washers. I'm going to start on a test fixture today.
Thanks, Butch

gammarayburst

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Pseudo Solid As Simple As It Gets
« Reply #114 on: February 28, 2015, 04:15:50 AM »
See attached drawing

gammarayburst

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I'd fund it, if you could quantify the above statement with accurate measurements.
LibreEnergia, Thanks for your offer. This Hybrid material design I posted would have to be funded and tested first before I could do a work in to work out measurement. The material if it proves to work as planned would open up a whole new area of magnetic research and development. It would make Pseudo Solid designs have a very large ratio of work in to work out. Only one small bar segment would need to be built to prove the theory.[/size]
Thanks, Butch LaFonte

norman6538

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Butch I just hope you finally get one of these ideas working well. I have tried some of
your ideas and all I ever do is shift the sticky spot or reset problem around to different
places. Its easy to make magnets do work but then you have to reset everything back
to repeat another cycle and I call that the "reset problem".

Good luck Butch.

My basement is just too full of failed embodiments. - seriously....I have 4 folding tables
with experiments and parts all laying out in the basement. - good thing there is plenty
of room down there.

Norman

gammarayburst

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See attached drawing,
Note: Both rotating switches can share a common shaft by curving the lower switch assembly around to the back of the upper switch assembly.
Thanks, Butch LaFonte

norman6538

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I don't get it Butch. Can you give us a good written description of how this works and what it will do?

Just because the flux can be switched does not accomplish anything useful that I can see.


Norman

gammarayburst

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I don't get it Butch. Can you give us a good written description of how this works and what it will do?

Just because the flux can be switched does not accomplish anything useful that I can see.


Norman
Norman, look at the two coils. When the flux leaves and enters the coil cores it will induce a voltage/current in the coils just like in a transformer. This will not effect the rotation of the switching rotors because they operate in a Pseudo Solid fashion.
Butch