Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

I made 2 new videos which hopefully will serve as an update to demonstrate that a MOT is no longer needed and to also serve as a tutorial to guide you in the best direction for those who wish to replicate.

Tutorial 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hr2C1vvvx4&feature=youtu.be

Tutorial 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6SaAjQaLkM&feature=youtu.be

Hope this helps answer questions and not cause more!

All the best in your experiments

Luc

[havuhung]

Hi Luc,
Thank you

Have fun

[tinman]

Hi Luc
I made a comment on your video,but will make one here aswell.
One of your scope probes is hooked up backwards,and channel 1 needs to be inverted to read correctly. In a capacitive circuit,current always leads voltage,but your scope shows voltage leading current ??. You are infact consuming 3.1 watts from the grid(which is being disipated through the 10 ohm resistor),not returning 3.1 watts to the grid.

Some helpful information can be found on this page,along with the links on the page.
Hope this helps.
http://www.electrotechnik.net/2010/08/understanding-power-factor-part-1.html

[gotoluc]

Hi Luc
I made a comment on your video,but will make one here aswell.
One of your scope probes is hooked up backwards,and channel 1 needs to be inverted to read correctly. In a capacitive circuit,current always leads voltage,but your scope shows voltage leading current ??. You are infact consuming 3.1 watts from the grid(which is being disipated through the 10 ohm resistor),not returning 3.1 watts to the grid.

Some helpful information can be found on this page,along with the links on the page.
Hope this helps.
http://www.electrotechnik.net/2010/08/understanding-power-factor-part-1.html

Hi Tin Man,

you have it backwards, channel 1 is voltage and channel 2 is current. Current is leading when capacitor is connected.

Luc

[tinman]

Hi Tin Man,

you have it backwards, channel 1 is voltage and channel 2 is current. Current is leading when capacitor is connected.

Luc

Luc,could you put up a circuit diagram of the setup in your second last video please,as it looks to me like you are looking at the current used to charge up the cap. Once the cap voltage starts to drop,is when the cap is giving back it's energy to the system. With the cap in series(which i believe it is) current will only flow while the cap is charging up.This is why the voltage rises,while the current drops-the potential difference become's less. Is there a way you could put channel 1 of your scope across the cap?-so as we can see the voltage and current then?. It also looks like the cap has some inductance or something?,as the wave form was good until you added the cap.

[TheCell]

@gotoluc
Video1 : Please post a picture and manufacturer data of this 10 Ohms resistor . Which material as resistor wire is used inside?
Video2 : Have you ever considered to test a rotoverter setup with instead the variac, one cap or
2 caps (one on each terminal, like Eric Dollard : one element of a longitudinal transmission line) you could get the desired low input voltage .
You indeed show remarkable results in video 2 which one can start with experimenting ;
Which type of 'kill a watt meter' is able to measure real power, reactive power, to the grid returned power correctly?

[gotoluc]

To everyone,

the circuit is so simple that any experimenter should be able to check the effect them self.

For clear reasons you cannot use this circuit with an Inverter to get this effect, as Inverters are designed for typical circuits that short circuit electricity (kill dipole) and are not capable of re-circulating current and voltage.

The good news is, it works very well with an Alternator (generator) as demonstrated since day one.

All the best with your replication.

Please post your results and not your criticism

Luc

[gotoluc]

@gotoluc
Video1 : Please post a picture and manufacturer data of this 10 Ohms resistor . Which material as resistor wire is used inside?
Video2 : Have you ever considered to test a rotoverter setup with instead the variac, one cap or
2 caps (one on each terminal, like Eric Dollard : one element of a longitudinal transmission line) you could get the desired low input voltage .
You indeed show remarkable results in video 2 which one can start with experimenting ;
Which type of 'kill a watt meter' is able to measure real power, reactive power, to the grid returned power correctly?

DALE HR-50  10 Ohm 1% 50W

I have a Rotorverter and it does not even come close to what I demonstrate in Tutorial Demo 2

Luc

[nilrehob]

Hi all,

I have been reading text-book AC theory during the holidays and I just wrote a document I call "Basic AC Theory". Its only 3 pages long and was a good exercise to better learn the stuff. Maybe It can be of interest for You:

https://sites.google.com/site/nilrehob/home/documents

If You have any suggestions on correcting errors or adding info You can PM me.

/Hob

[lancaIV]

Comparing with a "reactive power"  recovering comercial product :


http://www.ortronic.com/ENGLISH/index.html


Sincerely
               OCWL

[Farmhand]

OK then, can someone give an overview of the over unity claim here ?

How much extra energy is harnessed from a alternate source and what is the mechanism that allows it to happen ?

Why can it not be done with an inverter or a AC generator like a 5 kVA petrol/gas generator ?

Seems the next logical step is to generate your own AC, then do the test to see if the results are the same.

Some things to consider are-

1) As soon as you start the generator it is consuming fuel right along, so the fuel used between when you start the generator and when the test is complete needs to be considered as input.

2) When generating your own AC without the grid all the fuel used, or all the input power to the prime mover is input.

3) All the while that you are setting up your experiment the power company is incurring costs to keep the AC available at the outlet, and those costs are transferred to you in the bill, so part of the input for the experiment is paid for in the bill but not considered in the experiment. So you are out of pocket for standby energy, it is paid for in the bill, just as the home generator uses energy to have the AC there ready to use so does the grid.

4) All reactive power originates from the supply.

.....

AllCanadian, it isn't me that is "worried" about the grid, it's the experimenters that cannot seem to do this experiment without it that ought to be worried about the grid. Unless the arrangement can show extra energy when the supply is a petrol/gas generator, then it is of no real consequence.

As the guys from Brazil have found out, if a system is made available that uses the grid and touts free energy the power company can shut it down in a jiffy, because the energy simply must be provided by them. If not why can it not be shown without the grid ?

If there is extra energy why is the massive grid system needed to see it.

Free as in cost is not a concern here, getting energy for free but putting the actual cost on the power company is not what I would call valid alternative energy research.

Cheers

[forest]

Farmhand


Give me please the proof that mechanical energy in generators is  converted into electrical energy . I  think power company does not produce any electricity by conversion - they simply work out the situation when this energy come to the system from outside but they do that in symmetrical way with a COP never exceeding 1. It's like the misconception that water pump is converting you muscles energy into water. No miracles here, you still need a supply of water like well or lake, and if you plug your pump in correct way you can have much higher output then input.
I'm not the only one who suspect what is the real action here....mark my words...

[gyulasun]

Comparing with a "reactive power"  recovering comercial product :


http://www.ortronic.com/ENGLISH/index.html


Sincerely
               OCWL

Hi Lanca,

The link you gave includes some demo video on their concept, this is the English language version video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUChl7zRzTA  from their video channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrtronicTechnologySL/videos

and I took a snapshot from their video on the power levels, see attached.

Edit: I found a patent application on "Method and means for multiplying the active power of elecric generators using inductive loads"    WO2011101512  in Spanish language, inventor is Juan Garcia Ortigosa and this is a google translation of the Spanish text:
https://www.google.com/patents/WO2011101512A1?cl=en&dq=WO2011101512&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-HbAUr3vGITgygPM5IH4CA&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAA
Thanks,  Gyula

[poynt99]

Luc,

I was happy to stay out of this discussion, but in your video you have made an accusation that I am wrong regarding my assertion that one scope probe needs to be inverted in order to maintain correct phase when measuring power the way we all commonly do. Your accusation is not supported; you simply say that I am wrong. I have supported my assertion with careful detailed analysis and it is clearly posted in this forum for all to review and critique. To date, not a single person has refuted my assertions at a technical level, and until that time, my assertion stands.

So, I would request that either you edit your video to remove your unsubstantiated, libelous statement about me, or PROVE your statement to be true. Simply saying that I am incorrect is certainly not proof.

[forest]

Luc,

I was happy to stay out of this discussion, but in your video you have made an accusation that I am wrong regarding my assertion that one scope probe needs to be inverted in order to maintain correct phase when measuring power the way we all commonly do. Your accusation is not supported; you simply say that I am wrong. I have supported my assertion with careful detailed analysis and it is clearly posted in this forum for all to review and critique. To date, not a single person has refuted my assertions at a technical level, and until that time, my assertion stands.

So, I would request that either you edit your video to remove your unsubstantiated, libelous statement about me, or PROVE your statement to be true. Simply saying that I am incorrect is certainly not proof.

What do you mean ? Moving the voltage probe connection after the capacitor ?