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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 2010051 times)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2985 on: October 25, 2014, 01:51:56 AM »
The information you seek is in the video playlist.

Input power, which is strictly DC with very little ripple, is shown on meters in the first video.

The best measurements I was able to make of the power circulating in the tank, using an inline non-inductive resistor for current measurement, indicate that the power circulating in the tank is purely reactive, with a 90 degree phase angle, or very close to it, between voltage and current. As expected in a resonating tank circuit consisting only of L and C elements. The first video shows the _magnitude_ of these values and demonstrates the error of "OU in VARs". You don't really need me to plot the actual triangle, I hope.

Subsequent videos explore the error and make the current measurements in various ways, finally culminating in the use of the Ohmite precision Ayrton-Perry wound non-inductive CSR installed in series with the output coil to measure the current in the tank. Two videos in the series "detour" a bit and explain the phase angle issue, and how it is measured on the scope in various ways, using Lissajous figure in the scope's XY mode and also by straight measurement of the V and I traces on the scope's time domain display. By the end of the series I am demonstrating how my technique (coupling of tuned air-core coils in the near field) for extracting and converting some of this power to "real power" driving a load, reduces the magnitude of the tank oscillations but doesn't change the reactive nature of the power in the tank.

I have deliberately avoided reporting final output "real" power measurements as I don't want to mislead anyone. My systems are nowhere near as efficient as they could be made with intelligent design, they are simply illustrations of a principle. With a 100 percent efficient circuit, one could transfer all of the input power continuously to the real power driving the final load... and there would still be power circulating in the tank itself as long as it is resonating. All of this power, real or reactive, comes from the input power source; it takes a finite and measurable time for the reactive power to build up in the tank; and the tank can even discharge this power after the main supply is cut off.

It can even discharge the stored, circulating tank power so fast that it will literally blow apart the mosfets, if there is nowhere else for it to go. This proves that the reactive power in the tank is "real" enough to have profound effects when it isn't handled properly. Another proof that the power in the tank is actually there... that is, there really IS, say, 20 amps, 200 volts, available... is that the system works as a wireless power transmitter by inducing currents in air-core, near field coupled receiver coils.

My demonstrations, under another topic, of the relative brightness of a light bulb driven directly by a battery, and the same bulb shining much brighter when driven by the output of a tuned aircore near-field coupled coil, transmitter being powered by the same battery... illustrate the "power" of this technique. Certainly, overall throughput efficiency of my systems is low, the current drawn from the battery increases correspondingly, but even so, one can allow oneself to be slightly amazed at the result.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk
The transmitter circuit is essentially the same as the microQEG but with different component values.
TK. I'm aware the input is DC (a good thing as it's not controversial with respect to input power), and I admit to being a little lazy is asking for these values. There is some point to my asking for this info. There must be some real power component that I assume is load dependent. It is not possible to gleam what that component value is from the video.  I'm guessing here but when the circuit is unloaded all the power is almost all reactive (LC circuit with a very little R). When you load the circuit via the various methods you demonstrate, there must I assume be a visible phase shift between V & I. So yes I guess I am asking for a vector diagram for various load conditions. .

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2986 on: October 25, 2014, 08:26:09 AM »
TK. I'm aware the input is DC (a good thing as it's not controversial with respect to input power), and I admit to being a little lazy is asking for these values. There is some point to my asking for this info. There must be some real power component that I assume is load dependent. It is not possible to gleam what that component value is from the video.  I'm guessing here but when the circuit is unloaded all the power is almost all reactive (LC circuit with a very little R). When you load the circuit via the various methods you demonstrate, there must I assume be a visible phase shift between V & I. So yes I guess I am asking for a vector diagram for various load conditions. .
Well, the insertion of the Ohmite 0.25 ohm noninductive CSR into the LC tank for current monitoring does cause a little shift away from 90 degrees, and there is definitely power dissipated by this resistor when the thing is operating; I have to be careful not to burn it up in fact, and this is also why the coil-capacitor-drain-source circuit has to be made from heavy conductors for low resistance.

But loading the system with the aircore secondary coils (the HV receptor, or the DC transverter driving the motor load) doesn't add ohmic resistance to the tank circuit.

Right now I am set up for different experiments; the microQEG is put away, up on the shelf. The exact measurement of small phase shifts happening around 90 degrees is difficult with my rudimentary equipment but perhaps a Lissajous display might be sensitive enough to show small changes in phase with changes in the coupled load. I'll try to set up a demonstration over the next day or so.

Thank you for your continued interest. I know there are people out there with better scopes than I have got, that will give the phase shift directly in numbers without tedious manual measurements and computations like I must do. Maybe one of them might get interested enough to build a microQEG system for themselves and improve on my measurements. Meanwhile I'll try to assemble the data you seek.

ETA: Does anyone know of such a data set from any FTW QEG construction?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2987 on: October 25, 2014, 08:48:40 AM »
I don't like to insult people but for some reason I've only seen MILHIGH only as some type of person who has everything figured out...as if everyone is wrong until they waste their energy to prove him wrong? If you think about it, that only means that he is able to defunct all QEGs but yet he already stated that he is not even experiences in the technology!!!  What do we have left, some type of individual that has been too long in a forum where he feels like he knows everything that it is yet to be discovered! Like he is a filter where truth only comes out of him and NEEDS to go through his filter in order for it to be true.

I don't mind a critic here and there because productive criticisms is basically a little baby tripping and standing up to learn how to walk....but MILEHIGH seems to me like the future has been stagnated and no further technologies will EVOLVE. I already stated if MILEHIGH is not investing any money, why is he so butt hurt about people who do?

He does not understand how investing works, either in the monetary or in the support group in therapy....he DEMANDS proof while very comfortable no one asking him for demands! SO I want to break his IGNORANSE and would peacefully demand MILEHIGH to show me proof of his beliefs.

First I would like to ask mile high how investors are needed for an invention spread to the masses?

Thean after understanding how “investing” works, I would like to hear from MILEHIGH what was the purpose of investing in the first place?

Then I would like to hear MILEHIGH tell me the difference of an investor investing in gold or silver VS investing in the QEG?

Then I would like MILEHIGH to answer is breathing air for a human not some type of FREEE energy?

Sae with the ability to see things since the sun provides FREEE energy! If it was not up to FREEE sun energy rays, how would you be able to see? Or even, as a matter of fact, for eyes to EVOLVE?

MILEHIGH demands FACTS, but it's your turn to step up to the plate to show your qualifications as to who gave you the authority as a judge in a court of law?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2988 on: October 25, 2014, 09:03:17 AM »
I don't like to insult people but for some reason I've only seen MILHIGH only as some type of person who has everything figured out...as if everyone is wrong until they waste their energy to prove him wrong? If you think about it, that only means that he is able to defunct all QEGs but yet he already stated that he is not even experiences in the technology!!!  What do we have left, some type of individual that has been too long in a forum where he feels like he knows everything that it is yet to be discovered! Like he is a filter where truth only comes out of him and NEEDS to go through his filter in order for it to be true.

I don't mind a critic here and there because productive criticisms is basically a little baby tripping and standing up to learn how to walk....but MILEHIGH seems to me like the future has been stagnated and no further technologies will EVOLVE. I already stated if MILEHIGH is not investing any money, why is he so butt hurt about people who do?

He does not understand how investing works, either in the monetary or in the support group in therapy....he DEMANDS proof while very comfortable no one asking him for demands! SO I want to break his IGNORANSE and would peacefully demand MILEHIGH to show me proof of his beliefs.

First I would like to ask mile high how investors are needed for an invention spread to the masses?

Thean after understanding how “investing” works, I would like to hear from MILEHIGH what was the purpose of investing in the first place?

Then I would like to hear MILEHIGH tell me the difference of an investor investing in gold or silver VS investing in the QEG?

Then I would like MILEHIGH to answer is breathing air for a human not some type of FREEE energy?

Sae with the ability to see things since the sun provides FREEE energy! If it was not up to FREEE sun energy rays, how would you be able to see? Or even, as a matter of fact, for eyes to EVOLVE?

MILEHIGH demands FACTS, but it's your turn to step up to the plate to show your qualifications as to who gave you the authority as a judge in a court of law?
The promoters of the QEG have demonstrated that it does not perform as they claim.  MH has offered science based reasons for why that is so. 

One might rightfully wonder what it is that motivates you to keep defending the Robitaille's false claims.  You give the appearance that you have a keen interest in promoting the idea that they have something of value when they have repeatedly demonstrated just the opposite.


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2989 on: October 25, 2014, 09:11:49 AM »
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The promoters of the QEG have demonstrated that it does not perform as they claim.  MH has offered science based reasons for why that is so.

One might rightfully wonder what it is that motivates you to keep defending the Robitaille's false claims.  You give the appearance that you have a keen interest in promoting the idea that they have something of value when they have repeatedly demonstrated just the opposite.

With all due respect, I want MILEHIGH to answer! I was not asking you...thanks.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2990 on: October 25, 2014, 09:23:58 AM »
With all due respect, I want MILEHIGH to answer! I was not asking you...thanks.

MileHigh has already demonstrated a lot more experience, learning and competency on this topic than you have. In fact, you have not actually made an on-topic post yet, as far as I can tell. You don't seem to be able to discuss the technical issues and you don't want to discuss the issues of the FTW fraudulent presentation and promotion of their non-functional system. Yet you have no trouble criticizing those who DO know their stuff and who keep to the topics. This means, dear Joel, that you are a troll.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2991 on: October 25, 2014, 09:25:08 AM »
With all due respect, I want MILEHIGH to answer! I was not asking you...thanks.
With all due respect, if you want respect then you should show some.  In your posts I see a bunch of: ad homs, straw man arguments, and red herrings.  If you are interested in civil, respectful discourse, then why do you behave as you do?  If MH is wrong about the QEG then why is it that you don't just hold up facts that you can substantiate to refute him?  The simple answer is that you can't refute him. 

There is no question that the QEG does not today do what the Robitailles claimed that it did a year ago.  There is no question that they have only managed to demonstrate it functioning as a power converter with very poor efficiency.  There is no question that none of the various replicators have shown either good efficiency or any hint that the device can produce the free power claimed by the Robitailles.  So why is it that MH's remarks noting those facts cause you such grief?  What's driving your emotional investment in the Robitaille's lies?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2992 on: October 25, 2014, 09:51:23 AM »
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With all due respect, if you want respect then you should show some.  In your posts I see a bunch of: ad homs, straw man arguments, and red herrings.  If you are interested in civil, respectful discourse, then why do you behave as you do?  If MH is wrong about the QEG then why is it that you don't just hold up facts that you can substantiate to refute him?  The simple answer is that you can't refute him.

There is no question that the QEG does not today do what the Robitailles claimed that it did a year ago.  There is no question that they have only managed to demonstrate it functioning as a power converter with very poor efficiency.  There is no question that none of the various replicators have shown either good efficiency or any hint that the device can produce the free power claimed by the Robitailles.  So why is it that MH's remarks noting those facts cause you such grief?  What's driving your emotional investment in the Robitaille's lies?

Again sir, don't speak for MILEHIGH, he has a mouth of his own... if I want to discuss things further with you I can and will dissect your claims as you type them....right now i'm annoyed with MILEHIGH and wish to hear only from him to dissect his credibility and abilities to understand how life works!!!

I don't even find it NORMAL for a person to answer questions for another person (like you are) lol! Since if you crash a car, the person who is driving is only liable for the consequences. That is very stupid if a judge asked the defendant questions and then have someone from the audience answer for him.... just shut up sir, and allow for the facts to take place!

I know is hard for you “virtual” nerds to disagree from one and the other since you here have thousands of posts here....but, things change!!!! People get old, you probably don't know how to set up a PS4 while the young folks do...

How hard is it to believe that water flowing, air flowing, nuclear flowing, is not just a mater of building something cheaply and get x3 times the output? Lol the evidence is massive that I kind of wonder where your sane mentality is sir! But like I said, don't respond to questions that where not asked specifically for you!!! you can be further psychoanalyzed yourself when it comes to your turn.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2993 on: October 25, 2014, 09:55:44 AM »



 Joel,
        if you want to go gold mining you take a pan and test the ground. Find a bit
in your pan and it's worth a try.
     These QEG. folk have never shown us that speck in the pan.
 All these silly rotating things have no foundation whatever.
           
  John.


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2994 on: October 25, 2014, 10:03:48 AM »
Again sir, don't speak for MILEHIGH, he has a mouth of his own... if I want to discuss things further with you I can and will dissect your clains as you type them....right now i'm anoyed with MILEHIGH and with to hear only from him to dissect his credibility and abilities to understand how life works!!!

I don't even find it NORMAL for a person to answer questions for another person lol! Since if you crash a car, the person who is driving is only liable for the consequences. That is very stupid if a judge asked the defendant questions and then have someone from the audience answer for him.... just shut up sir, and allow for the facts to take place!

I know is hard for you “virtual” nerds to disagree from one and the other since you here have thousands of posts here....but, things change!!!! People get old, you probably don't know how to set up a PS4 while the young folks do...

How hard is it to believe that water flowing, air flowing, nuclear flowing, is not just a mater of building something cheaply and get x3 times the output? Lol the evidence is massive that I kind of wonder where your sane mentality is sir! But like I said, don't respond to questions that where not asked specifically for you!!! you can be further psychoanalyzed yourself when it comes to your turn.
I see more red herrings:  I never claimed to speak for Mile High.  On this public message board I took you to task for your objectionable behavior.  This is a public thread concerning the QEG.  You are off topic.  You are not discussing the QEG.  You are attacking MH who does.  One post after appealing for respect you have chosen to engage in abusive insults.  Do as you will.  You define yourself by your actions.

Back to the QEG:  Can you point to any evidence that shows that the QEG has ever performed as even a mediocre power converter? 


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2995 on: October 25, 2014, 07:42:31 PM »
Joel:

Yes, it is true that MH can speak for himself but, all of your posts seem to me to support this QEG fraud.  What facts can you supply to show where MH is wrong?  What are your measurements of this device?  What testing have you done?  What have you ever built and shared here, or anywhere?

I think I hear crickets now so....I will take that as you have nothing to add to this topic, other than your delusional rants.  I suggest that you take them somewhere else.  Hey, why not try the BEDO forum?  I hear there is not much posting activity over there and they could use your help.

Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2996 on: October 26, 2014, 03:31:18 AM »
Joel, you are the core  reason that people restrict access to news groups that I would like to contribute on. Contributing random ideas to a thread about the QEG is not on topic. So you have derailed the thread, bravo.

Back on topic. I am glad to see Kevins participation in the thread. Maybe he can share some of the data, and we can all learn something. I would be happy to learn what anyone saw in the QED that would be overunity. This is not related to the FTW stuff.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2997 on: October 27, 2014, 05:52:23 AM »
It begins.  Top post implicitly dated 10-26-2014.  Being the caterer to the dumb downed masses, most websites either choose not to or are incapable of the simple task of using a date but instead use days, weeks, months ago  :D
https://fundrazr.com/profiles/hope-moore

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We have established a beautiful headquarters here in a gorgeous community. The whole point was to create a good space where project managers can come stay here for weekend long meetings so that we can implement planet changing projects that will be used all over the world. We will be setting up a booking schedule very soon for the many who want to come visit.

Also for those who want to come for a longer stay, we have established some amazing contacts here that can help people find very affordable villas to rent long term right here in paradise.

As I have said many times before, this is going to go for the long haul.  And there you have it.  We finally get the whole point of this multi level marking scam.  It was all about real estate.  "for those who want to come for a longer stay..."  Nice subtle time share bait tactic.

In a few more days "The World" will be blessed with another hopefundsgirl blog update 30 day infusion.  It will begin with the usual picker upper and what rigors she overcame during her travels... ahh forget it.  I have spilled out here M.O. style too many times now.  Not going to bother anymore.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2998 on: October 27, 2014, 06:37:52 AM »
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Joel, you are the core  reason that people restrict access to news groups that I would like to contribute on. Contributing random ideas to a thread about the QEG is not on topic. So you have derailed the thread, bravo.

I already mentioned that the QEG could end up not working and I'm sure most likely it will take more great mind to trim it's fat down and polish it and then come with the QEG 2.0...this happens all over the place that I don't understand why people expect something to work 100% right out of the box. Take for example the game BF4 on PS4 (the gaming console) it came out and millions of people bought it but even till this day, it has many many glitches that it is hard to even play it and have a good time. Then you have the iphone that since the beginning of it, it has had many many glitches ahem “can you hear me now!”....

The point is that why would someone expect things to work right out of the box specially when they are trying to make it OPEN SOURCE just like linux! Who else is trying to do such an OPEN SOURCE QEG? You don't seem to know the difference between scams and between what OPEN SOURCING means?

Aside from that, in all of MILEHIGHS threads I only see him as coming with a hammer to all the posts I have read from him, he is the one who derails the topic where a lot of other people with OPEN minds could have contributed a lot. But he comes with this hammer of authority like if no one needs funding and funding does not play an important role to innovation....even the hoover damn was funded..it's essential to move things forward...funding in the monetary way and in the open minded technological way.

It is obvious by now that WITTS system was not working 100% (he is not open sourcing) so these hopeful people try to “reverse engineer WITTS QEG to help the people...and not to do some fraud in any way.

ALLLLLLLLL innovations start from donations and investing to get it out to the masses. Look what happened to nikola tesla idea of giving free energy to the world? Since it was going to be OPEN SOURCE (not profitable, just profitable in the helping) that idea was shut down on the spot (if I can't put a meter on it...).

Regarding derailing the thread, it has been derailed a long time ago! The nativity of the thread is the likes of NOT PUTING A METER ON IT. It is like you have been disappointed too much with QEGs that “fail” (or people not open sourcing them) that you have this mentality of that QEGs don't work.

You can see the hope (truth) in the ATOM, why does it have protons revolving around it since billions of years?

Can't you not see the sun as the nucleus and the earth as a proton? I think there is something to be gathered there! And they are self running things for billion of years being feed from surrounding FREE energy. I guess my goal is to be open minded since history shows it is possible. I'm not saying this QEG will be 100% successful, i'm saying it is not trying to fraud people!!! on the contrary, it is trying to help the low income people!!! and for the benefit for everyone, so I can't knock such goal....be it this QEG or another QEG. That's all.

From what I see is that you don't understand the definition of a scam sir (I sell stuff on craigslists, I encounter them all of the time, for example, but they are all over the place outside cragslist...even in QEGs)?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #2999 on: October 27, 2014, 08:28:09 AM »
It is also possible that the sun will rise tomorrow.  The probabilities of each:  The sun rising tomorrow and the QEG never amounting to more than the very mediocre (~30% efficient) power converter it has been demonstrated to be are not much different.