In a perfect OU world.

What people seem to not understand is that any voltage reading to some random
waveform is only going to an estimate to a number. The very best measurements
are only going to be approximations in these situation. RMS is not something from
mathematics or electronics, it is from Statistics.

Mark: rms, root mean square is absolutely from both mathematics and electronics.  Rms values are the result of integrating the square value of either voltage or current over an interval, taking the mean value of that square to find the average of the square over an interval, (usually a repetition interval) and then taking the square root of the result to compute the equivalent continuous voltage or current over the interval had the original voltage or current been measured across, or through a resistive load.  Rms values are not derived from or related to probabilities.  They are simply a translation from voltage or current waveforms over an interval.  And BTW, statistics is a branch of mathematics.

I want my approximation to be converting the desired waveform into DC by a high
speed bridge rectifier, filtering until the Voltage and Current signals have no AC
riding on them.

It takes a circuit to convert an AC source into a DC source.  The impedance characteristics of the source determine how efficiently a given conversion circuit can be.  In some cases a simple rectifier and bulk capacitor is adequate.  In other cases in order to realize high efficiency, the conversion circuit must present a reasonable facsimile of a constant impedance across the entire AC cycle.  Power factor corrected power converters operate that way.  Typical architectures utilize a voltage boost converter that pumps up an intermediate storage capacitor bank that then supplies a second power converter that supplies the load.  The intermediate storage capacitor bank voltage will typically swing up to 30% under full load.

 Then feeding the signal into a modern ~95% efficient high voltage
DC to AC power inverter. Now I can measure near perfect wattage by DC voltages
and DC currents with a 1000:1 current shunt so I use my DVM the way it was
designed to be used and multiply the two numbers with a calculator.

Except that the very nonlinear load of your rectifier and capacitor combination creates pulsating currents on the input that can both cause big efficiency problems and measurement issues.

Plug in my
KillaWatt meter into a AC outlet producing absolutely pure sine waves.  Show
that my wattage numbers nearly match one another. Letting the Inverter eat
up any Power Factor corrections by combining them into its efficiency numbers.
Then light N incandescent light bulbs with no high voltage fluorescents, completely
devoid of negative resistance stabilization effects as my DC to AC inverter is already
stable. Then plug in driver source so that it produces a nice stable self running
infinite loop.

Then be able ignore the negative vocalization of all OU critics as the day is very
nearby when we can simply cast our vote with best educated beliefs from our own
individual pocketbooks.  Ah...Justice at last.

:S:MarkSCoffman

I have an alternate solution for you:  Feed your AC into a power factor corrected AC - DC supply.  You may need to use a variac to trim out the impedance match.  If your AC supply is near 50-60Hz this will work.  Then feed the output of your PFC corrected AC - DC supply to a DC - AC inverter. Your over unity device will have to make up for the losses in each of the power converters.  If your OU device outputs at least 25% more output than input, then you should be able to self-loop.

Thanks for the videos, it's good to see gurangax works with some tools. That makes it easier to visualize the principles even if the program is not correct.

If someone claims to have a machine that runs itself with power left over to run something else too... you don't really need an oscilloscope or a set of RMS measurements. All you really need is to see the machine running itself.

And if someone promises to show you such a machine by a certain date, and then fails to do so.... what may you conclude then? Do you need to refer to a statistics text or some RMS deviations from a norm? I don't think so.

Oh come on - still 5 days left. Give the boy a chance!

It takes a circuit to convert an AC source into a DC source. The impedance
characteristics of the source determine how efficiently a given conversion circuit can
be. In some cases a simple rectifier and bulk capacitor is adequate. In other cases in
order to realize high efficiency, the conversion circuit must present a reasonable
facsimile of a constant impedance across the entire AC cycle. Power factor corrected
power converters operate that way. Typical architectures utilize a voltage boost
converter that pumps up an intermediate storage capacitor bank that then supplies a
second power converter that supplies the load. The intermediate storage capacitor
bank voltage will typically swing up to 30% under full load.

Except that the very nonlinear load of your rectifier and capacitor combination creates
pulsating currents on the input that can both cause big efficiency problems and
measurement issues.

I have an alternate solution for you: Feed your AC into a power factor corrected AC -
DC supply. You may need to use a variac to trim out the impedance match. If your AC
supply is near 50-60Hz this will work. Then feed the output of your PFC corrected AC -
DC supply to a DC - AC inverter. Your over unity device will have to make up for the
losses in each of the power converters. If your OU device outputs at least 25% more
output than input, then you should be able to self-loop.

@Mark E.

Ok, Thank you for taking the time to explain this Mark E.  Sometimes the input power
may be at 50-60Hz sometimes not. Of course if it works for the overunity test then
one would want it at  maximum efficiency during actual power conversion. Ground
isolated DC is so great because you can put two equal units in parallel to double
the power input or put equivalent impedance supplies in series to boost voltage.
Even when the source AC comes from two non-synchronous sources.

Apologies...to Grurangax for off topic post.

No one has posted today  ... it's.... it's.... the calm before the storm!

Gurangax is probably too busy to answer. After all, a big day is coming up fast.


Just to review, here are some relevant statements made in the thread. The  number is the post number. All statements are gurangax's unedited words, except as noted.

4. I can assure you that a 10Kw generation can be easily achieved.

16. you can run it even without weights.

49. "11111" asked,

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Did you have a working model?

55. I will disclose it but not so soon. regards  (This is an "answer" to 11111.)

83. It is clear that some of you dont know what my intention is. I have told here many many times already that I will disclose it meaning I will open source it, but also at the same time I dont know who is watching this forum so I will not disclose it immediately. But I promise you that I will open source it. It is so simple that even if I say it then you will immediately understand and there is nothing left for me to say. SO I will do it slowly until I feel its ok to spread it to the world.


I know that some companies are watching this forum. And I know I cant sell the thing so at the end when all is proved as I said it is, only then will I try to request for donations from anyone. I hope this is clear enough.

92. this is no theory at all. it works, how do i know? I'm looking at it right now. ANyway I will only show the final proof when i think its ok to do so.
regards

100. TK's Wager: (TK's post below)

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Ok, you want to play, fine. I'll play.

How about making a little wager?

I'll bet you that you will not show any working device. Ever, but let's put a time limit on the bet, say, one month plus a few days. Call it June 1. If you haven't shown a real working Bessler-variant wheel by June 1, I win the bet.

Let's say, if I win, you make a one hundred dollar donation to your local no-kill animal shelter or neuter-spay program. If, on the other hand, you win.... then we all win, because you will have Saved the World from the Tyranny of Big Oil. And I'll make a hundred dollar donation (of my now worthless money)  to you or the charity of your choice.

 


(Drawings and theoretical calculations DO NOT COUNT without a functioning prototype. You are claiming to have something that works... and I say you do not. So show your working device, not a drawing of it!)

101. Gurangax accepts wager:
Wager or not, I still will disclose it before your said time limit. Anyway I accept this wager.

126. Broli reminds us:

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6 years ago you made the exact same claim, used the exact same riddles and ended up showing exactly nothing. Your response time seems to also indicate that you love the attention this brings to you. Humans truly are silly beings.

157. im giving time for you guys to seriously think about my clues, judgement day is jun 1st.

189. I will disclose it soon at least on Jun 1st. so If you dont want to think about it just wait until the date.

228. For you I will say just wait until Jun 1st.
regards
p.s I may release it anytime sooner than you think.

323. 

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from: Newton II on May 05, 2014, 07:43:24 AM

    @gurangax,

    Can you please answer a simple question -  Do you have a working prototype?   YES or NO.

yes. and im not going to show it right away. When people depends to much on calculation they will not see it.


479.  I have a plan. I know even a video will not satisfy you skeptics. So I have asked a member in this forum to replicate it. If even this will not satisfy you then I dont know what will.


505. Something very nice happened today. The forum member (replicator) nearly had a heart attack after understanding how the principle works. lol. gave me a long smile.

521.  I'm just waiting for the forum member to finish his design. Btw it is the falling weight which drives the wheel.

522. June 1st was a wager between me and TK. But I also said that I may post it sooner. Btw a replication is taking place at the moment and most of it is his own design, but it is using the principle of excess weight which I was saying earlier. Please be noted that they can be many designs with the principle including many of Bessler's MTs, just read his side notes.

528.

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from: CLaNZeR on May 22, 2014, 08:20:57 PM

    Ah okay.

    Replication is where someone usually see's a working machine and then copies it or copies the principles to see if it works or not.

    If you have a mechanism that can be implemented into any design, then he could be just replicating that one part as such.

    So I am still not clear. Do you have a working machine yourself?

I believe I know where this question is heading to. I already answered this question before but I will say again, my video is not as credible as a video which is made by someone who replicates it. Today it is common that a video can be faked. I am going a step ahead just to make sure that no one will be able to deny it afterwards. Please know that I know what I'm doing and there are reasons for me to do what I am doing. btw June 1st is close. You guys can do whatever you want when the day comes.


531.

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from: CLaNZeR on May 22, 2014, 08:36:19 PM

    I did not ask if you had a video of a machine or pictures of a machine.

    It is very simple question. Do you have a machine that has been built on your principles working and that just keeps working with no external input?

    I can wait till the 1st of June that is not a problem and your choice and freewill to release the info when you want.

    if you are a honest man and tell me you have built a machine and it is working.

    If you do not have a working machine then this is just another idea like all the rest.

    Cheers

    Sean.

Maybe you dont like reading but this will be the second time that I will be answering this. the answer is yes.

550. The excess energy is so obvious. Anyone who doesnt see it obviously doesnt know real physics.

Inspired by gurangax, I offer this as a possible explanation of one of Bessler's riddles.

Bessler said:
“He will be called a great craftsman, who can easily/lightly throw a heavy thing high, if one pound falls a quarter, it shoots four pounds, four quarters high.”

Many will say this is cheating, but springs were used in Bessler's wheel (witnessed), and can counterbalance weights in an interesting way if used cleverly. This video is not the most interesting implementation of the use of springs.

The drop can be adjusted to whatever required e.g one quarter, and readjust spring tension to get the  4 Lb weight moving four quarters. I exaggerated the drop in this video, but you get the idea.

Many Thanks to gurangax