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anthonymag

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Magnet Motors
« on: July 27, 2014, 04:04:01 AM »
I did a youtube search for magnet motors and found this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgEjqVFJXzU.  I did not see a "magnet" section here on OU, so I posted it here.  That video is the cleanest, most basic demonstration of a working, self sustaining,
uncomplicated technique to use magnets to turn a shaft, ie turn a generator that I have ever seen.  No wind, no solar, no fuel, no radio controls (that I can detect),  nothing seems to be driving that fan (maybe a cap if he charged it with the battery, but where would he put it?  Besides, he powers lights with the setup, which would surely discharge any cap circuit(s) hidden in the fan) except for the magnet.  I've always read that a system using
magnets will always find it's balance and stop turning.  I did search for the video here, but did not find it.  I am going to make one and see if it works.  Then maybe I'll do the standardized test the industry uses to verify a power generating system is truly overunity.

TinselKoala

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Re: Magnet Motors
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2014, 06:00:19 AM »
This is a Minato Motor and it is powered entirely by Mister Hand. Please DO make it yourself, and do just what the presenter does in the video. Then, mount your "hand magnet" to a rigid mount like some "third hand" work holder and slide it into the same position you were using with your hand, and take your hands completely away. Does the "motor" keep turning or not?

Kohei Minato patented this motor, even down to the angled magnets, sometime before 1999. It didn't work then, either.

2:19 the presenter says that the plastic shield around his hand magnet prevents stray fields from coming out the side.



picowatt

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Re: Magnet Motors
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2014, 06:07:27 AM »
This is a Minato Motor and it is powered entirely by Mister Hand. Please DO make it yourself, and do just what the presenter does in the video. Then, mount your "hand magnet" to a rigid mount like some "third hand" work holder and slide it into the same position you were using with your hand, and take your hands completely away. Does the "motor" keep turning or not?

Kohei Minato patented this motor, even down to the angled magnets, sometime before 1999. It didn't work then, either.

2:19 the presenter says that the plastic shield around his hand magnet prevents stray fields from coming out the side.

The video looks more like Mr. Hidden Reed Switch and Mr. Hidden Battery to me.  Note the difficulty getting that plastic ringed magnet in just the right position near the corner where a reed switch is likely embedded, and how little deflection of the blades is noted as he fiddles to get it into the right position.

PW

TinselKoala

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Re: Magnet Motors
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2014, 06:43:57 AM »
The video looks more like Mr. Hidden Reed Switch and Mr. Hidden Battery to me.  Note the difficulty getting that plastic ringed magnet in just the right position near the corner where a reed switch is likely embedded, and how little deflection of the blades is noted as he fiddles to get it into the right position.

PW
I agree that it looks a bit suspicious, but the effect can be repeated fairly easily just with the autokinetic movements of Mister Hand. A more thorough investigation might try to determine the speed of the fan and see if it accelerates to the same speed each trial. If it does... busted as deliberate fake. If the speed varies, that's evidence that supports the Minato Motor guess and it could be an honest error with the presenter believing he's not pumping the system.

I've shown that very fine wires can't usually be seen on video after all the transcoding and compression; the fan could be supplied by tiny wires like #34 which will do fine for a demonstration of a 12 volt 100 mA fan.

MileHigh

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Re: Magnet Motors
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2014, 07:47:33 AM »
I think it's just homebrew CGI.  He films the motor running and pastes that into the black trapezoid of the motor sitting on the table.  The hand-held magnet is red to make it easier to chroma key the magnet over the pasted spinning motor.  It's probably all done in HD and then he selects a compression level to take a bit of bandwidth out of the video to definitively hide the CGI but it still looks fine on YouTube.

For this guy it's just the challenge to make convincing FX videos.  He is just doing it for fun.

anthonymag

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Re: Magnet Motors
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2014, 01:02:23 PM »
Has anyone ever attempted to make such a device like that, with the magnets on the fan blades?  It doesn't seem that hard.  If it won't work, how does it fail?  Do the blades just not turn?  They would just center themselves relative to the external magnet right?  Oh, and by the way, where is the "magnet" section here on OU?

anthonymag

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Re: Magnet Motors
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2014, 06:49:22 PM »
I found the answer to my own questions.....lookey what I found.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I3Ly5mBhT4

mscoffman

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Re: Magnet Motors
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2014, 06:57:55 PM »


One reason for something like this to actually work is that it is a hand magnet. One must get the
user's hand or other human body part away from the mechanism and support structure, for a self-run
test to be considered valid.

By the way it is possible to make an actuator this way using a computer and neural net software
but then the entire computer and actuator needs to be powered solely from the self-operating
device to consider it to be self running.

:S:MarkSCoffman


mscoffman

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Re: Magnet Motors
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2014, 07:30:51 PM »
I found the answer to my own questions.....lookey what I found.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I3Ly5mBhT4


I think videos like this pave the way for a type of OU humor.


Think of a video where something really really bogus is going on ontop of a plywood board.
At the end of the video the person lifts up the board as if to show nothing is there, and there it is
- the powers supply taped to the bottom of the board! - a self looped extension box. LOL.


:S:MarkSCoffman