I sent you and email to youremal@gmail.com
I will post it here for full disclosure.

"Is the meeting still on for the 15th of December ? "

I suspect that what is going on is that quite predictably Greg Potter keeps moving the goal posts and that Chet does not wish to report this in the fear that somehow comments with the obvious conclusions will somehow spook Greg Potter into reneging on tests altogether.

Special news flash:  Water is not fuel, and Greg Potter is full of it.  His claims are beyond absurd.  A one phone number and to all appearances one man company cannot suddenly start moving hundreds of millions of dollars of material each month.

                         twas My Pleasure.....

@All
Had a nice Chat with Mr.Potter, and  yes the date for testing is moving to a more realistic schedule for him.
I am in no rush whatsoever ,and actually am making connections with fellows who live _Very_ close to the test area and are willing to assist.
It has always been my dream here that this community would step up and Muster people to do these types of investigations,
In the absence of that, some of us have mustered a "crew" which can be Tapped for these types of  claims ..
is that fair??
no

But I must say I am very pleased with the Others that have stepped in to offer sincere help.

And here I must add something.
something about the direction this needs to go [and its very good because now I see it happening]

but I'm busy ATM and will post later today

thx
Chet

I have not seen any discussion of a meaningful test protocol.  As long as we are going to pretend that GDS is going to eventually allow an independent test to take place, we might as well discuss what kind of test procedure would be needed to discern between Wet Fire 2.0 and Yet Another Magnacoaster.

My recommended guidelines are such:

The independent tester supplies all test equipment and loads. 
The independent tester performs calibration checks of their equipment and loads before and after the test(s).
Recommended load is simple household heaters, 1500W typical.
The load will be at least 50% but no more than 100% of the device under test rating.
AC RMS voltage applied to the resistive power load will be monitored throughout the test.  Optionally current may be monitored and/or a power analyzer may be used.
If inspection of the unit is allowed immediately before the test, then the make and model of the batteries inside will be recorded.  A successful test will demonstrate output energy greater than a minimum of five times the total energy capacity of the batteries.
If inspection of the unit is not allowed, then a successful test must demonstrate at least five times energy out as could be provided by filling the device volume with the highest density available Lithium batteries.
GDS will present the unit to the independent tester.  From that point until the end of the test no one but the independent tester will be allowed within 10 feet of the unit.
The independent tester will move the unit within the test facility by up to 100 feet from the location GDS presents the unit.
The independent tester will connect their supplied voltage / current / power monitoring equipment and load(s) to the unit under test.
The independent tester will start the unit according to instructions provided by GDS.
The test will begin when the unit has operated connected to the test load for at least five minutes where the average power over the five minute interval is within +/-10% of the power delivered over any one minute average during that five minute interval.  If the unit fails to stabilize to this criteria within 15 minutes of start, the test is declared a failure.
The test will run until the earlier of:  successful output energy criteria is satisfied, or the AC RMS voltage to the heaters averaged for one minute drops by 15% or more versus the AC RMS average obtained when the unit stabilized and the test began.
Preferred: The procedures beginning with locating the unit to test end are videotaped without interruption.

thats the easy part
There are probably several centuries of collective experience in the present test team Pool ,and enuff degrees
 to boot..


telling "Them" what to do is not the problem ...


its quite another problem we have here ..
and we need to come to an agreement.


sorry but I had some surgery today and I'm shot


Tomorrow then.....

@MarkE

I think understanding HOW we will be testing is important.  I also think we are missing is the WHO WHAT WHEN AND WHERE components.

WHO: who will be conducting the tests (Is there a  team  committed to go to the location and test)
WHAT: what is it we are testing (is claim water is only Fuel source for 12 hours operation @ 5000W)
WHEN: when will the tests be occurring (The date continues to change Sterling was Nov, Chet Dec..)
WHERE: Where are the actual tests going to occur. ( Is it Oshawa at the NEW PLANT or elsewhere)

fellows
for the last 3 to 4 years certain members of this community have been working behind the scenes to help inventors/experimenters with claims ,  mostly because of the attitudes and behaviors exhibited here .


As a result ,some amazing things are happening ....

and for that I am VERY grateful.


I am discussing this Privately with Tinsel [long standing history which I am comfortable with] ,there is nothing etched in stone just trying to figure out a solution that will give the people who read here a fair and balanced product.


to create a venue where independent 3rd party analysis can be offered to an inventor/experimenter without all this extra noise,or people calling the police  or the hawking businessmen looking to _HELP_ !! or other persons with _Agendas_ and interests outside of open source .


to be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR this venue already exists here [privately], and the Model works fabulously.


 We shall see where this goes,but I for one will NEVER give up hope,  quite the contrary.
this is lots of fun and I want more Peeps to enjoy it.


respectfully


Chet


   







 

Mark
honestly I am not interested in any one claim,I am interested in a solution to a long standing  problem .
Too few helping hands and too many helping mouths...


we Don't need helping mouths ,we need helping hands .


We have solved this problem, now we need to grow the model.
I will investigate a solution with TinselKoala ,if he chooses not to input,


then we shall see what other options there are ?


don't get me wrong Mark ,I am interested in a solution not focusing on yet another example of the problem.
a solution here at this forum ,an open source over unity forum.


respectfully
Chet
ps
I am in no rush ,there is no need,i would just like others here to benefit the same way that OUR group has.
its actually quite wonderful....
and I am not looking to "steal" members or start other websites or money generating venues ,
Could care less about that .AND WON"T be apart of that Nonsense.