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Magluvin

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1290 on: March 01, 2015, 09:12:29 PM »
Hey, that is where I get my news from.  I am happy when it tells me that everyone in the US is back to work, our GDP is 4.6 last year (not the revised figure of 2.0) 50 million Americans are no longer on food stamps, ISIS is defeated and on the run, and the entire world loves and respects the USA.

Oh wait, I'm sorry...that was NBC news.  What was I thinking?

Bill


Lol. NBC.  ::)    ;D   Im a fox kinda guy when it comes to news, and women. :-* ;D

Mags

SeaMonkey

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1291 on: March 01, 2015, 09:21:43 PM »
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Media freaks out over Rand Paul's statement that the state doesn't own children when it comes to vaccines.  Learn more:  http://www.naturalnews.com/048816_mandatory_vaccination_mainstream_media_Rand_Paul.html#ixzz3TAAqmNnP

"The State" doesn't own any Man or Woman or Child
unless they identify themselves with the LEGAL NAME
AND ACCOUNT NUMBER.  The State has done a very good
job of 'conditioning and brainwashing' the populace to
believe that the ACCOUNT NUMBER and the LEGAL NAME
are 'theirs.'  Freedom is 'taken away' through deception on
the part of the TAKER and ignorance on the part of the GIVER.

It is voluntary.

Rand Paul is correct.  Unfortunately, he isn't able to reveal the
complete TRUTH about how Corporation U.S. has implemented
The New Deal to separate The People from The Constitution in
the (since 1935) United States.

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1292 on: March 01, 2015, 09:45:49 PM »
Post the petitions to claim you signed and we here can verify your claim. ;)
Uh sure but aren't you being even more stupid than usual?  You know a deep level of ultra-morondom-with-a-side-of-crazy? 

So this one was at 151 before I added my name to the petition.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/create-database-help-doctors-treat-breast-cancer-patients-require-charities-spend-donations-research/NbMmGnHD
and this one was at 174 before I added my name to the petition.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/create-federal-child-abuse-registry-available-public/gNJk7Y4K

...and as you can see they're still there.  However you only have my word that this is the count before I posted.  If you're suspicious (which would be the only reason to ask for verificatino) I could just post the current amount and make the same claim?  Not to mention you could have easily done the same super-obvious-first-thing-anyone-who-isn't-as-stupid-as-a-post-test without my help to demonstrate it to yourself.    We're coming up on 14 hours since I signed.  For all you know the counts are updated weekly.

Also where is your answer to my question?  Did you realize how much of an idiot you are.  So now you're constantly having to "forget" to answer. :)

Pirate88179

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1293 on: March 01, 2015, 09:51:25 PM »

Lol. NBC.  ::)    ;D   Im a fox kinda guy when it comes to news, and women. :-* ;D

Mags

Me too.  I was just kidding.

Hey, interesting tale about the vitamins helping your lump.  To me, it is simple...if it works...use it.

I have no healthcare plan and can not afford one...especially now.  So, I am always interested in this sort of thing.  I have not seen a Dr. in about 20 years. (excluding a dentist)  I take Airborne if I feel I am coming down with something, and use vitamin C and...if I get really bad...oil of oregano, which is expensive.

Some of my friends say that this is stupid.  I say...I don't care how or why it works...even if psychosomatic,  I believe it works...and it does.  I always ask my friends how many days they missed from work last year...they say...well not many...only about 5 due to being sick.  I have not missed a day of work for being sick in over 20 years.  (crossing fingers)

I may just be naturally healthy but I doubt it.  I have lower back problems from time to time and, this May I will be 57.  (Holy Crap!)  I wash my hands using a sanitizer I mix up myself after being in a public place, and drink beer and I smoke, which I know is stupid.  I may die tomorrow but, so far, so good.

I am happy that your problem was solved.

Bill

Magluvin

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1294 on: March 01, 2015, 10:45:09 PM »
Me too.  I was just kidding.

Hey, interesting tale about the vitamins helping your lump.  To me, it is simple...if it works...use it.

I have no healthcare plan and can not afford one...especially now.  So, I am always interested in this sort of thing.  I have not seen a Dr. in about 20 years. (excluding a dentist)  I take Airborne if I feel I am coming down with something, and use vitamin C and...if I get really bad...oil of oregano, which is expensive.

Some of my friends say that this is stupid.  I say...I don't care how or why it works...even if psychosomatic,  I believe it works...and it does.  I always ask my friends how many days they missed from work last year...they say...well not many...only about 5 due to being sick.  I have not missed a day of work for being sick in over 20 years.  (crossing fingers)

I may just be naturally healthy but I doubt it.  I have lower back problems from time to time and, this May I will be 57.  (Holy Crap!)  I wash my hands using a sanitizer I mix up myself after being in a public place, and drink beer and I smoke, which I know is stupid.  I may die tomorrow but, so far, so good.

I am happy that your problem was solved.

Bill

I know. It was sarcasm about NBC.  ;)

Me, havnt been to a doc since I was 18.  Will be the big 50 in Nov.

Really though, the thyroid was just there. Didnt really bother me much. Once in a while someone would ask about it, but no big deal. Nice to be normal again though. I am not an animal. I am a human being. ;)

If I had gone in for the thyroid, there is a posiblity that they would have removed it and put me on lifetime meds.  I chose faith. ;)

Hey Bill, did you read my thread on the home page about the redirect issue im having here? Maybe you have an idea.

Mags

Magluvin

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1295 on: March 01, 2015, 10:54:39 PM »
Uh sure but aren't you being even more stupid than usual?  You know a deep level of ultra-morondom-with-a-side-of-crazy? 

So this one was at 151 before I added my name to the petition.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/create-database-help-doctors-treat-breast-cancer-patients-require-charities-spend-donations-research/NbMmGnHD
and this one was at 174 before I added my name to the petition.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/create-federal-child-abuse-registry-available-public/gNJk7Y4K

...and as you can see they're still there.  However you only have my word that this is the count before I posted.  If you're suspicious (which would be the only reason to ask for verificatino) I could just post the current amount and make the same claim?  Not to mention you could have easily done the same super-obvious-first-thing-anyone-who-isn't-as-stupid-as-a-post-test without my help to demonstrate it to yourself.    We're coming up on 14 hours since I signed.  For all you know the counts are updated weekly.

Also where is your answer to my question?  Did you realize how much of an idiot you are.  So now you're constantly having to "forget" to answer. :)

Ok. Ill take your word for the petitions.


Answer?  Heck, I cant give you any statistics. But I can say, if the symptoms katie was having came very soon after the vac, why should the vac remain out of the equation? Why never suspect the vac, even it is given about the time before the issues occurred? But of course according to you, it is impossible for it to be the vac, cant happen, no way.  ::)

There. Thats all I got. A bit of common sense.

Now go get your bucket. ;)

Mags

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1296 on: March 01, 2015, 11:09:12 PM »
I know. It was sarcasm about NBC.  ;)

Me, havnt been to a doc since I was 18.  Will be the big 50 in Nov.

Really though, the thyroid was just there. Didnt really bother me much. Once in a while someone would ask about it, but no big deal. Nice to be normal again though. I am not an animal. I am a human being. ;)

If I had gone in for the thyroid, there is a posiblity that they would have removed it and put me on lifetime meds.  I chose faith. ;)

Hey Bill, did you read my thread on the home page about the redirect issue im having here? Maybe you have an idea.

Mags

No, I have not read it yet but will.  I have been having connection problems since Stefan's last update.  Sometimes, it take me like 20 attempts to get on here...then I write a post...and hit reply....and nothing happens and my post does not get posted.  Very frustrating.

Bill

Magluvin

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1297 on: March 01, 2015, 11:33:33 PM »
K, thanks.  Just wondered if it was me. ;)

Mags

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1298 on: March 02, 2015, 03:48:57 AM »
Heck, I cant give you any statistics. But I can say, if the symptoms katie was having came very soon after the vac, why should the vac remain out of the equation? Why never suspect the vac, even it is given about the time before the issues occurred?
It's not a matter of "why never suspect the vac" but a vaccine is about a 0.5 ml.  So in one, two, three or four weeks how many novel 0.5ml exposures do you get in your bloodstream.  Do you think it's one?  two-hundred thousand?  two-hundred million? The question is "Why when the number of OTHER exposures are thousands of times higher.  Why single out the vaccine?"

As for the docs?  Well, if you remember there was a concern about narcolepsy and the H1N1 vaccine.  The risk is probably around 1 in 57 000.  This is for a disease which we have a clear diagnosis and a good understanding of the incidence.  Influenza coverage for H1N1 was something like 430 million doses and from that a few hundred cases were found originally in Finland and Sweden but later in the UK.  Gardasil by comparison has less than half the number of doses.  The syndrome Katie had (assuming the reporting is accurate) has no well-defined diagnosis and certainly no well-understood incidence rate.

So it's utterly stupid for a doc to claim they can tell that Gardasil was responsible.  There is no diagnostic for that and they don't have anywhere near the amount of epidemiological data to make that conclusion.
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But of course according to you, it is impossible for it to be the vac, cant happen, no way.  ::)
Take my posts, print them out then put them right beside the statement above.  Next put on your reading glasses and try to find where I say anything like you do above.  You. Fucking. Moron.
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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1299 on: March 03, 2015, 03:10:11 AM »
Pssst.  SeaMonkey isn't it time for an large, inaccurate and obnoxious graphic or a bunch of links that you've barely read which rehash a bunch of already debunked nonsense?

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1300 on: March 03, 2015, 07:22:45 AM »
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I do seem to understand viruses and infectious diseases more than you do.

The point is very simple. If you want to keep your car healthy, you maintain it it and follow the recommended procedures to do that. That same procedure is the same to the body as the root. When you get a check engine light, you know something is wrong and most likely then not, it will come due to lack of maintenance. I know for a fact that there are cars out there going on 600, 000 miles and some even hit 1,000, 000. Taxi drivers know this first hand, but they might now know that the same applies to the body too.

The same can be said about the body but it is way harder to maintain it since is not as easy to find out the truth about who says what. How can they since people get bombarded with lies after lies over and over again. Like:

-fat free peanut butter.
-cereal is the healthiest meal of the day.
-margarine is good for the body.
-bagels are good
-bottled water is better
-etc etc

But at the end of the day those things are not healthy at all.

Now one does not require to stay healthy and virus free by understanding the virus in the micro level. Nor everyone requires mandatory vaccinations as they wish. That is just the lazy way of the “big brother” at the expense of many casualties. And I would not be surprised if it is way cheaper to mass vaccinate than to first test those that may have a higher risk of dying from a vaccine.

There are examples upon example that many people die or get severely sick from vaccines which like I already told you, they don't know who is at higher risk since there is no evaluation first.

That is very easy to see that even a monkey should be able to see but for some reason you feel like you are mr. know-it-all of medication for some weird mental blockage.

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Define "cure".  As I've said vaccines are generally prevention (although occasionally treatment) . A treatment would be more like Zanamivir (which can also be preventative)

You don't need treatment if you prevent it first in the first place. Right now gay males are at higher risk of getting HIV because they are more careless at stopping the spread of it. I'm pretty sure you know this right? It's all pretty simple, all one has to do is INVENTORY of every scenario and then go from there NOT just go ape shit and get mandatory HIV, if there was one, to everyone.

So the cure if preventative measures. A vaccine is not preventative measures, they only give the false hopes that one cannot get sick where a lot of things can go wrong. The most important is to teach everyone how the virus spreads first. I already mentioned that tests have been conducted in stadiums where by doing little things can make 80-90% of the people wash their hands. Before the experiment, only 40%-50% where washing their hands in that participial experiment. Now think about how someone is going to spread the flu virus at a store, movie theater, school, work, etc...same shyt.

Why didn't you answered how the other items work? Maybe because you don't know? That is why you can't grasp the over all truth of how everything works. Like in the car analogy I gave you. It is the same. It is just easier to maintain a car because the parts can be bought. If you over fill your oil, you might destroy your engine. It will cost you money to repair it or even replace it, but when it comes to human body, it will cost you hundreds and hundreds of thousand to repair. And even that, you may not come out the same.


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« Reply #1301 on: March 03, 2015, 07:29:41 AM »
Joel:

My chemist cousin told me that margarine is only one molecule away from being plastic.  Next time you are at a picnic and the flys are buzzing all around your food...open up a tub of margarine and watch what the flies do.  They will not go near it. The flies know something that you do not.

You call that eating healthy?

Butter is natural and good for you.

Bill

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1302 on: March 03, 2015, 08:02:15 AM »
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Butter is natural and good for you.

There's a professional guy out there that says that “fat free” everything is just a big cash cow. He said something about that the body needs fats. The healthy fats, that is. I never really saw his programs but I may search for them. I do have some DVDs from Dr. Fuhman that I haven't watched yet. From the google that I've done about him, it looks like he knows what he is talking about.

I think the name of the doctor regarding fats is David perlmutter

http://youtu.be/qgu7wiDRaLU

Here's a video example of Dr. Fuhrman

http://youtu.be/l5E6UkcH3CI

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« Reply #1303 on: March 03, 2015, 03:38:32 PM »
Now one does not require to stay healthy and virus free by understanding the virus in the micro level.
You seemed to say this earlier and I said you were wrong.  Are you saying that you were stupid to say that?  Come on Joel.  You can say it! :)
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Nor everyone requires mandatory vaccinations as they wish.
For what set of outcomes?  Until you say what you're measuring you really are saying nothing...which is sort of like saying it's a day that ends in "y".
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And I would not be surprised if it is way cheaper to mass vaccinate than to first test those that may have a higher risk of dying from a vaccine.
Can you tell me exactly what is being tested for here? Hmmmm?  What tests would you order up?  How is it that you don't realize how absolutely stupid your suggestions are?
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There are examples upon example that many people die or get severely sick from vaccines which like I already told you
The only thing you've "told" me is that you agree with an article which claims a death due to vaccination.  The article was written by someone with no expertise in the field and could easily be just as accurate if you replaced his head with a block of wood.  The claim is against what the ME and all available evidence says. :)  So where are all the other ones?  Are they as stupid as this one?
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You don't need treatment if you prevent it first in the first place.
...and since vaccines are preventive measures you wholeheartedly support universal worldwide mandatory vaccination. :)
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So the cure if preventative measures. A vaccine is not preventative measures
Actually yeah vaccines are preventative.  A preventative measure, in English is something which lowers the likelihood of something happening.  Vaccines lower the likelihood of getting sick for a particular serotype.  By contrast "treatment" is how you manage an event once it happens.  If you want to make up a word for "prevention that doesn't include vaccines" go ahead call it "Joel-Moronism" but don't just change the meaning of words because you don't like them. :)
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Why didn't you answered how the other items work? Maybe because you don't know?
Because you have yet to make an argument that this is relevant.

In contrast your claim that you can grasp anything I can *is* relevant.  Your attempts to weasel out of playing "go" with me still make you look kind of stupid. :)
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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1304 on: March 03, 2015, 09:08:05 PM »
Dr. Andrew Moulden:  Every Vaccine Produces Microvascular Damage

Every Vaccine Produces Harm

Unfortunately, The Doctor's quest for Truth cost him his
life.  Those who control Allopathic Medicine and who
work to stamp out Truth often resort to murder to eliminate
their antagonists.  Medicine has become a very dirty Business.