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sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1560 on: March 27, 2015, 01:25:15 PM »
I'll just leave this here...

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1561 on: March 28, 2015, 04:53:03 AM »
^You don't realize that what ever study you are doing does not mean that you know EVERYTHING regarding all medicine. You fail that miserably. I don't know why are you so scared to show what is your major in the medical field? But no matter what it is, you are not the EXPERT IN ALL MEDICINAL. There are way more greater medical thinkers than you sir based on the way you express yourself. It is what it is and has already been painfully shown.

You find it quick and fast to just ignore links to articles quick. As, if you are in greater intelligence than the researcher that did the study! That is some kind of ignorant mentality. As you are saying that you are 100% over everything and everyone else that goes against you is 100% wrong just because we go against you. You don't show any proof nor your PHD, you are just an anonymous mouse so everything that you say is just not that important.

At any rate, if you are the know-it-all that medicine cure, why have you not answered to me the following?

There is no cure for the flu virus.
There is no cure for depression.
There is no cure for OCD.
There is no cure for ADD.
There is no cure for obesity.
There is no cure for insomnia.
There is no cure for dandruff.
There is no cure for bone-loss.
There is no cure for drug addiction. (in fact, taking medicinal drugs promotes more drug addiction)
There is no cure for internet addiction.
There is no cure for sexual addiction.

]EDIT: By the "no cure" I mean with drugs. There are cures for all naturally. Sorry if I was not being clear.


And the list is bigger, those are just out of the top of my head. For every action there is an equal an opposite reaction? Which means, for the drugs to kill a virus, they will kill other healthy cells in the body in order to combat the illness. There is no way to TARGET the virus 100% dead center. And this is pretty obvious by me that I find it hard for an EXPERT to not understand. This means that there will always be a negative effect to the medicine and one needs to outweigh the risks....

You have not even mentioned anything about any medicine curing anything?

You did not even speak anything about why you think that artificial light does not harm people. You didn't even show anything why that may be bogus, you just bluntly say NO! As if just by saying NO, the study becomes false..lol.

You are just an "expert" joke sir. :P

The only one backing you up to this point is the guy that JB welds metal. lol

It is the same proses that goes on and on.

1-First acquire a virus from an infected person.
2-Try to "reverse" engineer it and come up with a trial vaccine.
3-Experiment with lab animals like monkeys and rats for a cure.
4-Get the trial vaccine in volunteers/inmates/those that have the virus. 
5-The human survived but the vaccinator does not know the long term ill effects. Nor there is enough test study to know how harmful the vaccine is in the long run!!

Prevention is always the ONLY cure (how does the virus get in the body in the first place and why is the virus living there in the first place). While vaccinations are the last resort. i.e. you get sick (believing that a medicine has you covered = careless prevention), get a second ticket to life today with drugs even if half of you immunity is take away from you. Prevention is always better than medicine.

Do you even understand where the flu virus comes from? I mean, from where is it born and how does the first human gets it during winder in the first place and then spread it around tot he rest?

Do you even know how the flu virus enters the body in the first place sir? Please explain your expertness!

Also, please explain how the Ebola virus started?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/7efc0f1ffb4ec15dae112782e935cba6.htm


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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1562 on: March 28, 2015, 05:24:31 AM »
At this point, sark has shown his true colors with out a doubt.

The best advice I've read so far was from Farmhand.... way more beneficial than the crap that comes out of sark and his creepy smiley faces.

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To be safer get information about the exact vaccine you are considering or are being forced to take, if it was me I would steer clear of any live virus vaccinations or any vaccinations from multi-dose vials, also reject any vaccinations containing Aluminium
or the old mercury based Thiomersal which is or was basically a preservative made from mercury to prevent all the proteins derived from monkey brains and all kinds of other nice stuff from going off in the multi-dose vials.

A lot of vaccines are unnecessary and some vaccinated people can spread the disease. If it were not for vaccines some of the diseases vaccinated for would be extinct.

Many of the diseases vaccinated for were in decline when vaccinations were introduced and this perpetuates the disease keeping it widespread indefinitely.

Like almost anything, a basically good thing (Vaccination) which can be done naturally has become the cash cow of the big pharma
and they of course are mixing in a lot of money spinning vaccines with the spiel that all vaccines are safe and necessary.

When in reality only some are important and most are harmful but unnecessary or even just perpetuate the disease.

The argument that un-vaccinated children are a risk to vaccinated children does not even make sense as the vaccination is supposed to protect them, the reality is the opposite the vaccinated children are a danger to the un-vaccinated ones and should be quarantined until they are no longer a threat to un-vaccinated children and adults as well.

They want the un-vaccinated children to be excluded so that it does not become apparent that the vaccinated children are speading some of the diseases to the un-vaccinated children.

If a vaccinated child passed a disease to an un-vaccinated child I would see that as an breach of common law and people should be liable for damages and/or criminal prosecution.

Fight for your right to not be vaccinated and also fight for vaccinated children to be separated from the vaccinated ones in the same way they fight to have the vaccinated children excluded, people should fight the opposite fight to have the vaccinated children excluded from interacting with un-vaccinated children.

The forced or "pushed vaccinations" should only be a very few. And with no evidence of any harm being caused by them.

Many diseases were in decline when the vaccine for them was introduced and this prevented the extinction of the diseases. This meant they could sell vaccines for those diseases for ever and make them compulsory and routine and a base money spinner for big pharma.

Ask the doctor for an ingredients list for the vaccine, if they cannot provide it then refuse the vaccine. We at least have the right to a full ingredients list and where the ingredients were derived from before being injected with the vaccine. That's a given, they cannot argue that.

If most people actually saw the list of ingredients and what they are made from they would likely refuse to allow vaccination of their children.

Get the list or just let them inject you with a bunch of stuff that probably half or more of the doctors don't even know what they contain.

If your doctor cannot tell you exactly what is in the vaccine then that doctor is uninformed and should not be injecting people with stuff when they don't even know what it contains. That sounds criminal to me.

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We should be trying to eradicate the old real bad diseases as some were, not perpetuate them for profit.


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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1563 on: March 28, 2015, 05:33:00 AM »
Also noticed how he just blatantly ignored the rise of heart diseases. NO pepe came from that mouse regarding that cheese. Not even  squeak. But yet he is the know-it-all regarding health!lol


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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1564 on: March 28, 2015, 06:28:48 AM »
^You don't realize that what ever study you are doing does not mean that you know EVERYTHING regarding all medicine.
The graphic is pointing out that people like you, SeaMonkey, Magluvin talk about "research" but what you do is small and poor compared to people who actually do research.
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I don't know why are you so scared to show what is your major in the medical field?
I thought you said you were 100% certain that I was a nurse. :)
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you are not the EXPERT IN ALL MEDICINAL.
You keep accusing me of this and I keep telling you the same thing.  I'm not an expert in all of medicine.  I'm simply far more well-read than you are and probably more than you ever will be - I'm basing that on how easily you accept ideas that are part of your prejudices and how much you fight even the most obvious facts (like vaccinations are preventative and that vaccines protect against a serotype not a strain).
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There are way more greater medical thinkers than you sir
Again I've never said otherwise.  You sadly, are simply not numbered among them. :)
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You find it quick and fast to just ignore links to articles quick.
Which articles? Whoops you won't say.  You'll just bounce over to something else to whine about. :)
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As, if you are in greater intelligence than the researcher that did the study!
Which study?  Whooops.  You won't say.  :)
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As you are saying that you are 100% over everything and everyone else
Nope.  I've actually said the opposite many times...but you would have to read what I write to see that. :)
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You don't show any proof
Proof of what?  Whoops.  You won't say that either.  :)  Is there anything you talk about that you can put in useful terms?  Probably not because those arguments you lose.  It's always safer for you to just make things up and then don't explain them. :)
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At any rate, if you are the know-it-all that medicine cure, why have you not answered to me the following?
Because that's not an English sentence. :)
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There is no cure for...
Until you define "cure" the questions are meaningless. :) 

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for the drugs to kill a virus, they will kill other healthy cells in the body in order to combat the illness. There is no way to TARGET the virus 100% dead center.
Well a) Not all illnesses are viral, b) not all medicines operate by killing cells and c) 100% is irrelevant. 

As I've said you kill cells when you drink water, play sports.  So.....

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This means that there will always be a negative effect to the medicine and one needs to outweigh the risks....
In the same sense that there is always a negative effect in drinking water....or anything :)

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You have not even mentioned anything about any medicine curing anything?
Actually I have but you don't read my posts.   
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You did not even speak anything about why you think that artificial light does not harm people.
Yawn.  So?  Oh wait...you didn't read the paper did you?  So a) The paper does not support the thesis you just wrote and b) The thesis it DOES support it only provides weak evidence for I explained why I considered the evidence weak but you didn't read it or you didn't understand but you can't bring yourself to ask what I meant. :)
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You didn't even show anything why that may be bogus
I did.  You just have your fingers in your ears. :)
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As if just by saying NO, the study becomes false.
I think I'm going to start calling these comments by you "joel" because it's almost synonymous with wrong.  So that is very Joel of you Joel. :)

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2-Try to "reverse" engineer it and come up with a trial vaccine.
That's a pretty Joel (wrong) think to say!
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The human survived but the vaccinator does not know the long term ill effects.
Actually you can and I've explained this but when are you ever going to listen. :)
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Nor there is enough test study to know how harmful the vaccine is in the long run!!
Again, already refuted...let me know when you take your fingers out. :)
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Prevention is always the ONLY cure
In English "prevention" is the opposite of a "Cure".  People who have a disease are cured people who did not get the disease have "prevented" it.  Vaccines are preventative and when it comes to vaccines we know that prevention attempts are almost always less effective (in areas with modern population densities) than vaccination. :)  The ebola outbreak was an example of this people who have done far more than any Joel could ever do to prevent the disease only reduced the R0 by half.

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Do you even understand where the flu virus comes from? I mean, from where is it born
Last time I asked you to define "born" you talked about vaginas and I mentioned that viruses don't have those organs and then you put your fingers in your ears again. :)

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and how does the first human gets it during winder in the first place and then spread it around tot he rest?
Winder?
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Also, please explain how the Ebola virus started?
Sorry no "started' or 'born' questions until you start speaking English. :)

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1565 on: March 28, 2015, 06:30:32 AM »
Also noticed how he just blatantly ignored the rise of heart diseases. NO pepe came from that mouse regarding that cheese. Not even  squeak. But yet he is the know-it-all regarding health!lol
I just ignored all your charts.  Is there something specific you would like me to comment on here moron-boy? (or should I just say "joel")

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1566 on: March 28, 2015, 06:32:35 AM »
At this point, sark has shown his true colors with out a doubt.
LOL Oh and what is that?
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The best advice I've read so far was from Farmhand.
Well as I said all you do is look for things that you already agree with and accept them. :)
(incidentally MagLuvin and SeaMonkey use way more emoticons than I do)

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« Reply #1567 on: March 28, 2015, 08:34:53 AM »
WTF, look at all the dissecting of my paragraphs. Not even going to bother answering cus you just confuse people. Fuck, I think I've lost a couple of brain cells answering to you. I keep on telling you not to dissect my paragraphs cause then things become confusing = out of context. But yet this clown continues to do just that! Why? Because this guy is confused RIGHT NOW. I'm most certain he has some type of brain disorder no questions asked. Who can be 100% sane when they keep on doing the same thing over and over again? AHEM! Don't chop up my paragraphs! Holly dookie on a pedestal! This guy is stubborn as fuck!

Well your true colors are coming out sarkchiken lol

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I just ignored all your charts.  Is there something specific you would like me to comment on here moron-boy? (or should I just say "joel")

It has come to the point that you are just seeking attention and disregarding true facts. That chart is not mine, that chart was done by SMART scientists (not you) and it is still being tracked to this day. IOW, it's a chart that has been tracked by scientists. Is it well known to main stream media, well you are the expert and should be able to understand how studies are done. Lol

Remember, you are the expert, if you don't know where that chart comes from, then there goes another fact that you are not an expert at all but just an ignorant clown lol.

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(incidentally MagLuvin and SeaMonkey use way more emoticons than I do)

Sir I can bet 3 dollars you are wrong. For one, you are the only person debating here against the topic. Second, your emoticons are king of creepy. A smeley face right after every single one liner sentense! You are raping this emoticon ---> :)

In conclusion, yet another bland response from this “expert”. = true colors are showing.

You sir are a troll that has passed the radar! Truth be told lol.

Who are your mentors regarding medicine?

What certificates are under your name?

Can you say your phone number with your eyes closed?

Can you walk a straight line with out tripping on your own feet sir?


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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1568 on: March 28, 2015, 08:48:57 AM »
Look at the sarkchicen not mention anything about the vaccination of the Ebola virus?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/7efc0f1ffb4ec15dae112782e935cba6.htm

I'm sure he is doing some testing on monkeys in his imaginary lab! Lol

This guy is a joke to be honest. His true colors are out already. = He does not know jack let alone from where the flu virus comes from? lol  ::)

He will say, "English to define where it comes from?" ...yawn!

Next!



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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1569 on: March 28, 2015, 03:08:25 PM »
Not even going to bother answering cus you just confuse people.
If you had a real argument we would have heard it a long time ago.  So I think I'll just keep a list called:

Things Joel Always Avoids Talking About Because He's Afraid Of Being Wrong

ii) How vaccines are preventative - using the English definition of the term
iii) Your definition of "cure".
iv) Being afraid to play go against me
v) Talking about you being afraid to play go against me.
vi) Are immunocompromised people *cured* from infections by medicine?
vii) Not all medicine's mechanism is lysis - so not all medicine is about killing cells.  So your "roots of medicine" is wrong.
viii) How the paper about artificial light isn't actually about it harming you in and of itself.
ix) How the paper's evidence is weak and that's ok.
x) How you evaluate evidence.
xi) What his "born" or "comes from" questions mean in English.
xii) What commentary he wants about various charts and articles.
xiii) How he was wrong about me knowing where vaccines are made.
xiv) How he was wrong about most vaccines (in North America) being made in China

There's probably more.  Since Joel is just a looped tape of nonsense I'm sure we will collect the whole set in a few days.

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1570 on: March 29, 2015, 07:25:26 AM »
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If you had a real argument we would have heard it a long time ago.  So I think I'll just keep a list called:

Have you ever had a conversation with a real human face to face?

How does that prosses go?

Lets say you are having a conversation with your mechanic. Your car broke down and needs repairing. You take it to the mechanic because you want it fixed. Tehn the mechanic fixes it for you and you are on your way.

How did that conversation go for you and the mechanic?

You want your car to get fixed right? No doubt! BUT! that means that you are not the expert about everything. There are people that know way more than you do and the ONLY way you answer is like you know everything where there is nothing else to know. That basically makes you believe that there is nothing else to be learned.

How do the conversations got with people such as:

-computers techs.
-mechanics.
-broaker.
-banks.
-IRS.
-LCD TV technician.
-architecture.
-HVAC technician.
-gun expert.
-house decorator.
-etc etc etc.

How do your conversations in real life go with them?

Do you disect everything day say and then smile like a clown?

You have the mentality of a lawyer, where you will always argue even when you are wrong!

Reagarding the rest...ptfff!

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ii) How vaccines are preventative - using the English definition of the term

Been there done that, by now you have said this about 10 times at least!. = not smart!

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iii) Your definition of "cure".

Been there done that, by now you have said this about 10 times at least!. = not smart!

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iv) Being afraid to play go against me

Dude I already heard this over ten times. You and your little stupid game. What if you beat me? It will not change how vaccinations work! = you need to feel that you are wining all of the time to feel like you are correct. Which is some type of mental issue you have based on your parents forcing you to be better all of the time...= you where never good enough. Meh!

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v) Talking about you being afraid to play go against me.

Isn't this the same as iv? lol

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vi) Are immunocompromised people *cured* from infections by medicine?

The being born people with weak immunity will not gain normal 100% immunity from medicine. Yawn!

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vii) Not all medicine's mechanism is lysis - so not all medicine is about killing cells.  So your "roots of medicine" is wrong.

Where are your studies or references?

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viii) How the paper about artificial light isn't actually about it harming you in and of itself.

Did you even read the article. Let me see you quote the article and respond by using your brain instead of giving lazy answer that any monkey can say....iiihh iiiihhh gaaaa gaaaa.

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ix) How the paper's evidence is weak and that's ok.

English please!

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x) How you evaluate evidence.

English please!

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xi) What his "born" or "comes from" questions mean in English.

I saw this coming 1000 miles away, that is getting olddd and makes you look like a broken idiot record. Meh!

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xii) What commentary he wants about various charts and articles.

Ignore the rest but lest hear you talk about the rise of heart disease? Dumbo!

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xiii) How he was wrong about me knowing where vaccines are made.

From where di you get your resources? I'm not 100% unless you show facts! :P

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xiv) How he was wrong about most vaccines (in North America) being made in China

I am not wrong yet because you never showed any facts! So you cannot claim voctory yet.

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There's probably more.  Since Joel is just a looped tape of nonsense I'm sure we will collect the whole set in a few days.

No matter what you say it only shows that you are only speaking spout yourself. = one dimmensional. What I speak is 3D. = I don't only care about my health but the health of my brothers, sisters, moms, and dads. As jesus died in the cross, he set an example for decades till the future.

You are only being closed minded thinking about yourself plain and simple.

Are you a lawyer, or a retired lawyer?


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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1571 on: March 29, 2015, 06:34:40 PM »
that means that you are not the expert about everything.
A point I've conceded many times.  I simply maintain that within the things you have discussed I know considerably more than you.  It's really not that unlikely you are pretty exceptionally stupid in the area of medicine. :)

So let's continue with Things Joel refuses to talk about because he is so afraid of being wrong
ii) How vaccines are preventative - using the English definition of the term
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by now you have said this about 10 times at least!.
...because it's true.  Vaccines prevent specific illness, so they are preventative medicine.  Just like putting on hazmat gear.  So again you refuse to talk about about this because you don't want to admit you're wrong. :)
iii) Your definition of "cure".
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Been there done that, by now you have said this about 10 times at least!.
...and you keep not providing a useful definition of the term but then keep demanding that medicine "cure" things.  Again you refuse to discuss this because you don't want to be wrong.  As soon as you define the term it will either be easy to show that your definition is inconsistent or that your position is wrong. :)
iv) Being afraid to play go against me
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What if you beat me? It will not change how vaccinations work! = you need to feel that you are wining all of the time to feel like you are correct.
No not at all.  However YOU made the challenge that ANYTHING I can do you can easily be as good or better.  This is an easy way to definitively test that but of course you don't want that because you don't want to be wrong (again!).
v) Talking about you being afraid to play go against me.
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Isn't this the same as iv? lol
No you are both scared to talk ABOUT not wanting to play and AFRAID to play.  Two different issues. :)
vi) Are immunocompromised people *cured* from infections by medicine?
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The being born people with weak immunity
Nope.  Immunocompromised is not the same as being born with weak immunity. :) 
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will not gain normal 100% immunity
Awesome.  See the discussion is about "You are afraid to discuss that medicine does cure illness in the immunocompromised" and you just illustrated that perfectly because right there, in that sentence you showed that you are completely UNABLE to talk about the point.  You had to switch to a different point. :) :) :) :) :) :)

Thanks for pretty much conceding there.
vii) Not all medicine's mechanism is lysis - so not all medicine is about killing cells.  So your "roots of medicine" is wrong.
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Where are your studies or references?
So your claim is that there is NOT ONE medication that who's primary mechanism is NOT to kill cells.  Please agree to exactly what I just said and we'll continue the conversation.  More likely you're so afraid of being wrong that you'll just ignore this or dance around it. :)
viii) How the paper about artificial light isn't actually about it harming you in and of itself.[/q]
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Did you even read the article.
Yep.  I also read the research it was based on.  You didn't. :) If I was wrong you could easily cite the paper and show me where I'm wrong but you can't.  Isn't that interesting? You'll probably just keep ignoring this because again you're kind of afraid of being wrong.
ix) How the paper's evidence is weak and that's ok.
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English please!
The paper has, at best weak evidence and that is ok.  Some research is speculative, some research journals are almost entirely speculative (Physical Review D. for example).  Some research is just to "bring the question to the table".  Sadly, a lot of papers like that are more CV padding than anything else.  If you had read the paper this would be obvious.  You didn't, so it isn't. :)
x) How you evaluate evidence.
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English please!
It's simple.   Explain how you differentiate weak evidence from strong evidence bet you can't. :)
xi) What his "born" or "comes from" questions mean in English.
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I saw this coming 1000 miles away, that is getting olddd and makes you look like a broken idiot record.
You still haven't answered this without mentioning vaginas. :)
xii) What commentary he wants about various charts and articles.
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Ignore the rest but lest hear you talk about the rise of heart disease?
What do you want to talk about concerning heart disease rates?  It's actually a pretty broad topic.  Didn't you know that? :)
xiii) How he was wrong about me knowing where vaccines are made.[/b[
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From where di you get your resources?
Already told you within a day of me responding with the list of manufacturing facilities but why would you ever read anything that was contrary to your stupid beliefs? :)
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I'm not 100%
...stupid?  No but you are so close it's kind of fun to watch you flail about.
xiv) How he was wrong about most vaccines (in North America) being made in China
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I am not wrong
Irony->Yes, yes nothing is facts except what YOU read Joel.  Your interpretation of things can't possibly be hampered by how stupid you are. :)  Just keep thinking that way and you will learn absolutely nothing.  Which will make you far more entertaining for everyone smarter than you. :)
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No matter what you say it only shows that you are only speaking spout yourself.
No I'm speaking about you.  Just working to help you learn that you are a moron.  The sooner you learn that you are so catastrophically stupid about the things you are talking about here.  The sooner you will give up your moronic ideas about medicine. When I do that, I'll move on to the next moron. 
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You are only being closed minded
Nope, that's you and only you.  All you do is look for things that already AGREE WITH YOU.  By contrast I am here BEGGING for people to provide contrasting information of HIGH quality.  See the difference?  No?  Didn't think so. :)
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Are you a lawyer, or a retired lawyer?
You were 100% certain I was a male nurse?  Now what?

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« Reply #1572 on: March 30, 2015, 06:19:17 AM »
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A point I've conceded many times.  I simply maintain that within the things you have discussed I know considerably more than you.  It's really not that unlikely you are pretty exceptionally stupid in the area of medicine. :)

You are living in your own little bubble world as you said that getting the flu shot prevents the flu more than the infected person coughing/sneezing inside his/her t-shirt. Yeah buddy! You know more than me. And NOT ONLY THAT to this day and time, you still claim that taking medicine for viruses is way better than preventing the virus from entering the body in the first place = yeah you are very very intelligent. lol

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...because it's true.  Vaccines prevent specific illness, so they are preventative medicine.  Just like putting on hazmat gear.  So again you refuse to talk about about this because you don't want to admit you're wrong. :)

I already told you, as others, that vaccinations do work a certain extent. = you still have those side effects one needs to deal with. Like I told you, I step on a land mine. I loose both legs. In a natural evolution life, I would be dead, but in a medicinal world, I can live with no legs and spend the rest of my life working with out legs trying to pay my medical bills.

That is clear as bottled water. What you fail to understand is those SIDE EFFECTS!

Just the simple FACT about the flu virus vaccine. The nasal vaccine contains the virus strain more "alive" than the saringe flu shot. Both have their cons and pros. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU ARE INJECTED WITH A FLU VIRUS. So it is really not a cure by the doctors but more like THEY INJECT THE VIRUS IN YOUR BODY!

So vaccines cary the virus genetic code that is being injected in your body.

This is very simple to understand by me and i'm not even a doctor.

1- inject the virus in a monkey with one gene removed. Lets see what happens = monkey died. Inject another monkey with the same but lets take out another gene. Ok, monkey died also. Rinse and repeat. <---this is what really works AND I BELIEVE IN! wHAT i DON'T BELIEVE IN IS THOSE IMMUNITY ENHANCERS!

But whatever, your stupid mind just want to be right about whatever you say. lol. You have ZERO intelligence what so ever even if you where to write a 500 page book. The end point would still be the same. MEK=H!

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...and you keep not providing a useful definition of the term but then keep demanding that medicine "cure" things.  Again you refuse to discuss this because you don't want to be wrong.  As soon as you define the term it will either be easy to show that your definition is inconsistent or that your position is wrong. :)

Oh, you still want to play that stupid online game you been bitching about lol. As if you winning would make you more intelligent in the medical world. What a dumbo. That is very little kids comparing, "i can piss father than you!", sark "No!, I can piss farther than you"...lol Childs play! I'm amazed why this "expert" does not see that? Maybe because he is ill in the main-brain. lol

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No not at all.  However YOU made the challenge that ANYTHING I can do you can easily be as good or better.  This is an easy way to definitively test that but of course you don't want that because you don't want to be wrong (again!).

Well is true. lol I just don't want you to cry when I beat you. But it says a lot why you are stuck in that game. lol I don't really want to bother with it because the way you type your "evidence" and the way you express yourself, is already enough evidence that you have brain autism. :P

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No not at all.  However YOU made the challenge that ANYTHING I can do you can easily be as good or better.  This is an easy way to definitively test that but of course you don't want that because you don't want to be wrong (again!).

Your brain abilities to look in to the future are weak and not worth arguing about.

Tell me the scenario it will be if I beat you in stupid game?

Tell me the scenario it will be if you beat me in your stupid game?

Now we have to play many because I have to win eventually.

So you beat me because you have been playing that game over many years, you feel cocky that you can beat everyone...as a MATER OF FACT, SHOW  YOUR SCORE REGARDING OTHER PLAYERS? I epxect for you to be in fisrt place! lol

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Immunocompromised is not the same as being born with weak immunity. :) 

Instead of giving that stupid smiley face, why don't you expand further on your claims!

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Awesome.  See the discussion is about "You are afraid to discuss that medicine does cure illness in the immunocompromised" and you just illustrated that perfectly because right there, in that sentence you showed that you are completely UNABLE to talk about the point.  You had to switch to a different point. :) :) :) :) :) :)

Well it also depends on my language. If your stupid ass brain keeps on saying that I should speak ENGLISH, what makes you think that I was 100% converting my mental neuron movement to 100% ENGLISH fluently!

My point was/is that there is NO pill NO vaccination that is 100% effective FOR EVERYONE!

I already asked you the cure for the following:

There is no cure for the flu virus.
There is no cure for depression.
There is no cure for OCD.
There is no cure for ADD.
There is no cure for obesity.
There is no cure for insomnia.
There is no cure for dandruff.
There is no cure for bone-loss.
There is no cure for drug addiction. (in fact, taking medicinal drugs promotes more drug addiction)
There is no cure for internet addiction.
There is no cure for sexual addiction.

And your stupid self did not mentined any prescriptions! lol

The rest of your answers are crap (like they have always being) when I take the time to read them....look at this dumbo

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What do you want to talk about concerning heart disease rates?  It's actually a pretty broad topic.  Didn't you know that? :)

The dumb ass says that heart disease cannot be put in a graph because is to broad! lol Since in order to see heart disease, one needs to put it in a graph to understand it. lol

I showed the graph about heart disease made by others that are keeping track and this guy is trying to say that the graph does not exist because heart disease is very broad! lol....what does that mean? = blinded by ego = psychotic mind.

Nuff said. lol 8)

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1573 on: March 30, 2015, 07:12:58 AM »
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Hold on a second you were absolutely wrong once again and you don't admit it?  You claimed that I think "I am the expert about everything." and every time you've said something stupid like this I've agreed that I am not "the expert on everything" and you can never say you were wrong for thinking that.  Seems like you're the one with the problem here. :)
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you said that getting the flu shot prevents the flu more than the infected person coughing/sneezing inside his/her teacher.
I have no idea what that means in English.  I've never discussed sneezing inside (or outside) peoples teachers. :)
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you still claim that taking medicine for viruses is way better than preventing the virus from entering the body in the first place
Probably not, but as usual your problem is that you don't want to use words the same way they are used in medical science.  Vaccines are medicine but not all medicine treats all diseases equally.  Vaccines are as born out by the ebola outbreak are generally the best preventative measure.
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I already told you, as others, that vaccinations do work a certain extent
Not the question you were asked.  The question was about vaccines PREVENTING disease.  Are they preventative measures.  If they do PREVENT disease then please say: "Yes they prevent disease".   Clearly in every normal English usage of the term they would be considered this but as you are incapable of self-criticism you are not capable of admitting this. :)
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That is clear as bottled water. What you fail to understand is those SIDE EFFECTS!
For the vaccines that we give the majority of people, for the vast majority of those who get them there are no measurable side effects.  The most significant is GBS anything else has to be far more rare than GBS otherwise it would show up in epidemiology. 
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But whatever, your stupid mind just want to be right about whatever you say.
The only person claiming they are right about everything and is unwilling to entertain contrary evidence is you. :) :) :)
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Oh, you still want to play that stupid online game you been bitching about lol. As if you winning would make you more intelligent in the medical world.

Just so people can see how stupid you are.  I'll just re-quote the paragraph you are responding to:

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...and you keep not providing a useful definition of the term but then keep demanding that medicine "cure" things.  Again you refuse to discuss this because you don't want to be wrong.  As soon as you define the term it will either be easy to show that your definition is inconsistent or that your position is wrong. :)

Notice it has nothing to do with playing a game.  It's that you keep demanding we talk about "cures" but you keep refusing to define the term and keep misusing medical terms.  :)  Anyway back to games...Again it was YOU AND ONLY YOU who said that you could be equal to or better than me in anything intellectual.  Are you saying that's not true now? :) :)
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Well is true.
The challenge won't go away but I suppose making up excuses is easier....
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lol I just don't want you to cry when I beat you.
Oh there's an excuse. :)
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I don't really want to bother with it because the way you type your "evidence"
Oh there's another excuse. :)
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Your brain abilities to look in to the future are weak and not worth arguing about.

..and another excuse. :)
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Tell me the scenario it will be if I beat you in stupid game?
Then your opinion that you are equal to or better than me in anything intellectual would be supported.
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Now we have to play many because I have to win eventually.
Three games should suffice but if you want to play more there's room for discussion.  Also you don't have to win eventually.  It's not about luck.
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So you beat me because you have been playing that game over many years,
...and because you are not my intellectual better in everything :)  Which would make you wrong about this thing you boast about but never can seem to put your money where your mouth is. :)
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you feel cocky that you can beat everyone.
Definitely not.  The reason I chose this is that it is a pure intellectual skill, it is easy to play over the internet, the results are entirely unambiguous and it can be arranged so that the results are public and so it's hard for you to cheat. :)
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Instead of giving that stupid smiley face, why don't you expand further on your claims!
It's not a claim.  It's just the definition of a term.  Someone who is immunocompromised is not the same as someone who was born with a weak immune system.  Are you saying you don't know what immunocompromised means?
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Awesome.  See the discussion is about "You are afraid to discuss that medicine does cure illness in the immunocompromised" and you just illustrated that perfectly because right there, in that sentence you showed that you are completely UNABLE to talk about the point.  You had to switch to a different point.
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Well it also depends on my language.
Nope.  You avoided the question and started talking about something entirely different.  Evidence is further compounded because you are still doing it right now.
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There is no cure for
But you refuse to define "cure".  Again since you deliberately choose to use words in ways that are not they way they are used in English and/or in medicine.  You need to define this before anything can be discussed.  Even a terribly stupid person like yourself should be able to understand this :)
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The dumb ass says that heart disease cannot be put in a graph because is to broad!
No what I said was that the subject of increasing heart disease is broad and since you can't seem to say what it is you want to talk about.  I'll assume, for now that you don't know what you're talking about.   When you can come up with a more specific subject I'll be happy to address it.

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #1574 on: March 31, 2015, 01:14:19 AM »