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Author Topic: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.  (Read 91926 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #480 on: June 06, 2015, 05:45:45 PM »
DE:
Als nachtrag zu meinem posting vom 6. Mai 2015 http://overunity.com/15732/rosch-taking-orders-on-ou-bouyancy-device/msg449365/#msg449365 , in dem ich versuchte, das
prinzip des AuKW-antriebs darzustellen, nachfolgend ein zitat aus dem
Wikipedia-artikel "Wasserrakete":
"Eine Einweg-PET-Flasche entwickelt ohne aufgeschraubte, verengende Düse bei 6 bar 213 Newton
Schub und je nach Nutzlast somit eine Startbeschleunigung vom über
15fachen der Erdbeschleunigung, die nach wenigen Metern sogar noch steigt."

EN:
With reference to my posting of May 06, 2015 about the basic concept of the Rosch "buoyancy device"
http://overunity.com/15732/rosch-taking-orders-on-ou-bouyancy-device/msg449365/#msg449365
here is a brief translated quote from the German Wikipedia article on the topic "Water Rocket":

"A disposable PET bottle powered by 6 bar compressed air - without
an additional mounted nozzle - develops 213 Newton of thrust (depending
on payload) resulting in  acceleration equal to 15 times the gravitational acceleration g."
Oscar:
Toy air/water rockets do not generate excess energy.  The user pumps up the air and then releases the rocket, wherein the compressed air ejects the water generating thrust and expending the energy used to compress the air.  The pressure in the rocket is several bar while back pressure resisting the ejected water is 1 bar.

In the Rosch device, the air compressor is a low pressure affair.  It develops enough pressure to get air into the buckets against ~1.5 bar.  You can see where the bubbles release that the differential pressure is small.  The bubbles float up from the up rising side resulting in a small amount of downward thrust that works against the operation of the machine.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #480 on: June 06, 2015, 05:45:45 PM »

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #481 on: June 06, 2015, 06:49:58 PM »
MarkE, LibreEnergia,

I know this is a difficult and an emotional topic one for many, especially if a lot of thinking and experimenting has gone into a project, then when presented on this forum looking for a solution that possibly could save the project, it becomes a sensitive matter that can break hearts (what do think is the reason why Stefan Marinov killed himself ?)

Believe me, in principle , I do not disagree with your viewpoints.
The main point I was trying to make is to have consideration to the reason why someone communicates on this forum, he is usually looking for help, not for preaching.  He knows the thermodynamics bible and he is not looking for a outright dismissal based on its ten commandments when he is actually looking for idea collaboration.

If we follow LibreEnergia position, not many idea's would be posted on this forum.  Any simple idea can  always mature into a fantastic idea, or contribute to a light bulb inspiration on a unrelated project. Like OSCAR input above.

MarkE,  your reply in "Partnered coils" as to why the Heins Thane does not work is not very explanatory.  Sure everybody knows that energy is conserved, the mutual induction interaction....ect. 
Heins core idea was to break this interaction and thereby break the feedback (the Lenz).  You do not come close to explaining how his choosen mechanism fails with attention to a practical focus.  Because once we understand that we can take the idea possibly to the next level rather than killing it before it had a chance to live.

Same with a phi toroid device,  everybody think that containing the flux within the core is sufficient to overcome the Lenz, it isn't, The question and answer to this issue is not " because of the law of thermodynamics,  No..no..
The question is how does the loading torque manifest itself on a macro level, how it function. This must be understood before an attempt can be made to resolve it to move to the next level. If it could be resolved

I am sure you get the idea, this is the only intent of my message

Red_Sunset
Outside a Douglas Adams book there is no "next level"  or multiplication of nonsense that eventually makes that nonsense sensible.    Anyone is free to entertain whatever wild ideas they like.  However there is zero point at all wasting time pretending that ideas that don't hold up are viable.  There is a trivial triage for wild ideas:

1) Is the idea in an area considered unsettled?
a) Yes - proceed to design experiments to falsify the idea.

b) No -
2) Is reliable evidence available that contradicts the accepted view?
a) Yes - proceed to design experiments to reconcile the contradiction.
b) No - full stop, it's baloney.



Offline minnie

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Joule their 101
« Reply #482 on: May 06, 2016, 09:35:14 AM »
You need to take your experiment to the end.  Generate enough work to return to your starting state with even just a scintilla left over.  Then you will have something remarkable.  What your apparatus does is move energy.  Some of that energy moved is from the local atmosphere.  Such is the operation of a heat pump.  If you are intent on staying warm or trying to cool off, heat pumps can be very useful devices.  If you are intent on performing kinetic work, they don't help.  It seems that the only way that you will learn is to take your experiments to their logical conclusion where you compare useful work done.


  To me this statement from Mark says a lot!
          John.

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Re: Joule their 101
« Reply #483 on: May 06, 2016, 01:43:57 PM »

  To me this statement from Mark says a lot!
          John.

It did say a lot, about how blind he was. Blinded by "science" and who knows what else.

You need to take your experiment to the end.  Generate enough work to return to your starting state with even just a scintilla left over.  Then you will have something remarkable.  What your apparatus does is move energy.  Some of that energy moved is from the local atmosphere.  Such is the operation of a heat pump.  If you are intent on staying warm or trying to cool off, heat pumps can be very useful devices.  If you are intent on performing kinetic work, they don't help.  It seems that the only way that you will learn is to take your experiments to their logical conclusion where you compare useful work done.

He had it "write" where he wrote: "You need to take your experiment to the end.  Generate enough work to return to your starting state with even just a scintilla left over.  Then you will have something remarkable.  What your apparatus does is move energy."

However he was blind to the fact "ENERGY" can be and is "created" and can be and is GENERATED by each and everyone everyday by doing any "WORK".

There is NO WAY AROUND Ek=1/2mV^2
..... other than sitting on your own asses - doing nothing to help yourselves or others trying to help you.

TINMAN: Never saw your video before today. The venturi effect is viable, and can be done mechanically, electro-mechanically, hydraulically, and pneumatically.

It is quite simple to EFFECT motion of Matter, which gives CAUSE to Nature to manifest its Kinetic "energy" without fail, in whatever amounts God see's fit to give us in return for our good "WORK". - Something anyone can deny (MarkE) but is unable to change or control IN TIME. Just ask MarkE .... he now has learned TRUTH: for the rest of TIME.

"Generate enough work to return to your starting state with even just a scintilla left over.  Then you will have something remarkable." Not a problem: other than finding good people to WORK with IN TIME.







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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #484 on: May 06, 2016, 02:10:10 PM »
"ENERGY" can be and is "created" no, Mike. It is CONVERTED. The flow of energy does WORK, not the other way around.
Stop talking, just DEMONSTRATE, Mike.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #484 on: May 06, 2016, 02:10:10 PM »
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #485 on: May 06, 2016, 02:25:32 PM »
"ENERGY" can be and is "created" no, Mike. It is CONVERTED. The flow of energy does WORK, not the other way around.
Stop talking, just DEMONSTRATE, Mike.

Prove it yourself as a DEMON-STRATION by doing WORK and inhibiting Nature from MANIFESTING "energy".

You may fool many with your CON-VERTED logic - you don't fool me, I got your number.

No "talking": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mi7_zyuBYk

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #486 on: May 06, 2016, 03:27:52 PM »
"You may fool many with your CON-VERTED logic - you don't fool me, I got your number. " It's called the First Law of Thermodynamics; of course you know better.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #487 on: May 06, 2016, 03:44:09 PM »
"You may fool many with your CON-VERTED logic - you don't fool me, I got your number. " It's called the First Law of Thermodynamics; of course you know better.

I told you before: Not necessarily "better" but surely OTHER-WISE and "I don't do re-runs".

Offline memoryman

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #488 on: May 06, 2016, 04:02:24 PM »
Still playing with words; stop talking, just DEMONSTRATE that you can GENERATE energy, Mike.

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #489 on: May 06, 2016, 04:14:20 PM »
Ah Mr/ Travis and his ZED.

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Offline memoryman

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #490 on: May 06, 2016, 04:25:47 PM »
Strange, Mike, that you are a year later replying to Mark E, a dead person. Are you fishing for 'investors"?

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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #491 on: May 06, 2016, 10:45:53 PM »
Strange, Mike, that you are a year later replying to Mark E, a dead person. Are you fishing for 'investors"?


You appear to have missed my reply was to a post made TODAY by minnie. LOL.



  To me this statement from Mark says a lot!
          John.


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Re: Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.
« Reply #492 on: May 06, 2016, 11:54:07 PM »
Maybe so, but you still have never demonstrated that you can "generate energy" from energy-in-motion.

 

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