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@Johnny874 .It is good to see that your recent posts have a bit more of a positive output . There may well be something about torque that we have all overlooked . However , if this is the case , people are unlikely to be convinced unless they see a physical model that demonstrates more output than input .By the way , you recently said that your OU research is a "coping mechanism ". That may well be true of us all to a greater or lesser extent . I have said that I feel I have proved , at least to myself , that the 2SO is not overunity ,.To try to convince others would be an uphill task . It is not what people , least of all Milkovic , would like to hear . It reminds me of the story of the Emperors new clothes . Nevertheless , I think Milkovic is " altogether as naked as the day that he was born ."

Nice for the museum. But hasn't enough work been done to document this train of though?

the spring may be less inefficient in keeping the pendulum going. The way you guys like to measure output though, there will be less. The way I measure it, you have another version of a device built to reduce a pendulum's amplitude to zero, without any positive work having been done.


It is time for new attempts. This one didn't work.

  @All,
 Since I have time while pursuing my build, I thought I would demonstrate some math that shows other possibilities.
 I know Cloxxki is familiar with newtons of force. It might be helpful for anyone interested to become familiar with it as well. Basically, a weight has 9.8 newtons acting on it when it is at rest. Why it has weight or mass. When it is moving, 1kg moving at 1 meter a second has 1 newton of force.
 This will help everyone to understand how potential energy might be realized in a pendulum.
If a 1kg weight is 1 meter from the fulcrum, this allows newtons and trigonometry to help show what potential there might be.
 The attached drawing shows points A, B and C. A is the start of the swing, C  is bottom center of it's swing and B is a 5 degree lift.
 When the pendulum swings 5 degrees of rotaion or 8.7cm's, a  lever that is 120 degrees will rotate upwards 8.7mm's. And this would happen with a drop of 4cm's.
 
 What this allows for is a 1/2kg weight being lifted .87cm's. I know, it doesn't sound like much, does it ? What does need to be consider is that if a weight swings from A to C, what is it's velocity ? You see, at bottom center, a pendulum quits accelerating. And if the 1/2 kg weight has more force than a weight swinging from A to C, then it can accelerate it (possibly) and allow for the pendulum to swing high enough to return to it's start position and repeat the process. This is where math can predict the outcome before building. A build would only help to demonstrate and verify that the math has shown a potential source of free energy.
 By the way, with a 1kg weight 50cm's from center line of the fulcrum, it could lift a maximum of 5 times it's weight. In reality, a 2 1/2 kg weight might be lifted to be stored energy for accelerating the pendulum. This would allow the pendulum to still be accelerating, even if under load.
 If math shows the potential is real (this is where calculating all force in newtons allows for a single standard which allows for easy comparison), then the question would be how to allow the weight being lifted to accelerate a pendulum.
 And the link is for an on line force conversion, might help.
 
http://www.onlineconversion.com/force.htm
 
edited to correct spelling 

A moving weight HAVING force? I thought it has kinetic energy.
It can EXERT force when meeting an opposite force, but only until energy runs out, or as gravity provides.
 
Please do correct me when wrong.
 
I will try to make a point of every post here ending with my belief that the 2SO is based on fuzzy physics, false claims. NOT over unity.

Hi guys .I can not really comment on Bessler matters , because it is not something I have studied . All I will say is this . If it can be demonstrated that a 1Kg weight falling a given distance can raise a 1.5 kg weight a similar distance , then there will be a host of volunteers to build a a complete machine based on the same principle .
        I have been in touch with Jovan Marjonovic . I told him about my measurement methods and experiments .He built a 2SO where the load weight was prevented from falling by a ratchet ,  although he did not use my method of a movable marker to show the highest point of pendulum swing . He freely admits that the model failed to show OU . He still believes that using a vary long pendulum and a small pivot drop , that OU may be possible . Personally I strongly doubt this , and it has yet to be proved .
       So , Johnny .if you can demonstrate proof of concept , maybe that is all you will need to do .Regards , Ken

Ken, that's a breakthrough! One on the proponents agreeing there is no OU, and only maybe with a long pendulum.

Jim, I don't have a physics degree to prove you wrong, but I have all kinds of alarm bells in my head that you've mixing up force, torque and energy again. And yes, there is OU everywhere then. I've come to several designs that way myself.
Please go back one step and elaborate just on the claim of a weight moving, and "having force". This has nothing to do with English being your second language. You are cutting numerous corners, or you're simply in the wrong dimension. Your latest post I simply cannot read, it definately belongs in a Bessler thread.

  Cloxxki, is the problem that maybe Bessler found a solution to this problem ? Even the Egyptians in the time of Archimedes used something similar to a TSMO to draw water from the Nile to irrigate their fields. That was over 4,000 years ago.
 But as stated on Wikipedia, current understanding does not allow for perpetual motion. 
edited to add;   Archimedes who invented (got credit for) the screw pump died in the year 2012 B.C.E. His screw pump is also believed to have been used in the Hanging Gardens, one of the Wonders of the World in antiquity.

Do you mean "Pharaoh's pump" or something else?

  They had a bucket on one side and a counter weight on the other. Made lifting the bucket easier. What I don't get is if using scissors would allow motion to be amplified (greater distance travelled) with no extra expenditure of energy, then what's the problem ? But it is one. Go figure, only in an over unity forum 

Movement along the curvature of the earth is basically always free of charge unless you go look for resistance. Endless ways to get from A to B at no nett cost.
With a rod, pivot and some free space underneath, a dead weight turns into a pendulum that's already lifted to starting height.
I once made calcs online to show that a large enough pendulum of halfpipe track could compete with air travel for transit time. What it takes is height.
You can save energy from traditional modes of transport, reduce to zero theoretically, but you can't move up a weight by even 1mm for free.


He who shows me 1mm of free vertical movement, will receive a gravity wheel in return.


Again, this does NOT belong in this thread. The 2SO is supposed to be discussed, and I say it's a fraud or very unprofessional claim.

>>  Again, this does NOT belong in this thread  <<
 
 I did send the suggestion to the guy who has the TSMO.
 If you check early on, I posted that using a lever and another pendulum would only increase the entropic rate. It should be nothing new. Raising a lever does not necessarily mean the weight will be lifted. With the TSMO, it diminishes the swing which in turn diminishes the vertical drop. And it is the vertical drop which allows for acceleration. The distance over which a weight drops only slows it'sacceleration over time. Something very much accepted in physics is that a weight dropping 1m will have the same velocity after dropping one meter even if it rolls down a ramp. Resistence would make a slight adjustment, but the values would basically be the same.
 But then, why not discuss how something could work ? I know, wrong subject.
Sorry and Au Revoir, Do Sveedanya