Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system ! (Read 2223641 times)

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2190 on:** September 15, 2014, 02:33:22 PM »

After examining the video carefully, it is found that the Weight W1 is lifted when the pendulum bob swings at maximum velocity. At this position, the Tension of the String will be the sum of the pendulum bob W2 x g and the extra force due to circular motion (Centrifugal or centripetal force).

The heavier weight W1 (74 pounds) can be lifted by the smaller weight of the pendulum bob (46 pounds). The Lever Arms L1 appear to larger or equal to L2. The anti-clockwise moment due to the Weight W1 time L1 initially is definitely greater. But after build-up, the centrifugal force plus the weight of the pendulum bob will provide a Tension much larger than 74 pounds.

The Lee-Tseung lead-out energy theory considers the pulling up of the Weight W1 as Lead-out gravitational energy. The lever system moves or rotates clockwise resulting in lifting of the Weight W1. Lead-out energy comes at this stage. Some energy transfer takes place as the pivot of the pendulum goes down but this energy is gained back later.

Thus the design of an efficient overunity Milkovic system requires:
1. Pendulum Bob Weight should be less than W1.
2. Pendulum length should be large to get high velocity to provide Centrifugal force.
3. L1 should be greater or equal to L2 to provide an initial larger anti-clockwise moment.
(The video helps to provide such insights.)

Paul-R · « **Reply #2191 on:** September 15, 2014, 05:23:46 PM »

Quote from: ltseung888 on September 14, 2014, 11:56:55 PM

One comment:
The OUTPUT Energy of the Milkovic 2-stage pendulum is NOT the W1 times g times the total height. The swinging lever is an oscillating system (seesaw). That oscillating system also converts potential energy into kinetic energy and vice versa.

What should be the correct OUTPUT Energy?

The oscillating system simply ports the energy from PE to KE. No significant loss or gain.

The output mass could contain a coil (moving) with a magnet (static). The coil could be connected to a variable resistor, submerged in water, whose consequent temperature rise could be measured.

As the resistance is lowered, the current increases, heat absorbed increases and therefore the output power will be seen to increase and will be recorded. The distance moved by the mass will be decreasing.

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2192 on:** September 15, 2014, 10:55:42 PM »

Initially, the lever system has no oscillation as the anti-clockwise moment of W1 and L1 is larger.

Then the amplitude of oscillation of the pendulum gets larger, the Tension in the string gets higher because of the higher velocity at the lowest point.

“Suddenly”, the clockwise moment of the pendulum side is larger. The Weight W1 will be lifted. Work is done. Energy goes to the Lever System. Energy of the Lever System can be regarded as (W1 x g x h’) where h’ is the higher of the height raised.

The Pulsing energy (Pd) can remain the same. It will not impart energy to the lever system until the “critical angle”. At the “critical angle”, the entire lever system energy (W1 x g x h’) appeared.

If we regard the INPUT energy as Pd and the OUTPUT energy as (W1 x g x h’), we can easily get overunity. A 12 time figure is within the possibility.

The observation is that the pendulum system itself is hardly affected with such a “transfer of energy”. Where does such energy come from? One possible explanation is Lead-out Energy. Gravitational energy is brought-in.

We can use the brought-in gravitational energy at the lever system. This will be replenished again by subsequent bringing-in of gravitational energy again!

In conclusion, the varying Tension of the Pendulum String does the magic in two ways:

1. Lead-out some gravitational energy during each pulse.

2. Lead-out more gravitational energy in one big splash after build-up when the clockwise moment is higher.

Divine Revelation?

zoelra · « **Reply #2193 on:** September 15, 2014, 11:38:14 PM »

I can't take this anymore. The lead-out theory is total hogwash. No legitimate/recognized scientific or academic group has ever validated the theory to be true. In all the years of pushing the theory, not one working device has ever been put on display, and no proof of free energy gain from string tension has ever been demonstrated.

In a two stage oscillator, the pendulum swings due to gravity just as the mathematics predicts. Centrifugal force of the swinging pendulum bob is responsible for the raising of the counter weight, and nothing else. Any serious 2SO investigator would know this to be true. Simple potential to kinetic energy conversion and centrifugal force is all that is going on here, all easily confirmed using accepted physics theory and mathematics.

Ok, maybe I was a bit harsh to say the theory is hogwash, but it hasn't been proven, and to claim the 2SO functions because of it is total hogwash. Prove the theory first.

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2194 on:** September 16, 2014, 03:11:38 AM »

Quote from: zoelra on September 15, 2014, 11:38:14 PM

I can't take this anymore. The lead-out theory is total hogwash. No legitimate/recognized scientific or academic group has ever validated the theory to be true. In all the years of pushing the theory, not one working device has ever been put on display, and no proof of free energy gain from string tension has ever been demonstrated.

In a two stage oscillator, the pendulum swings due to gravity just as the mathematics predicts. Centrifugal force of the swinging pendulum bob is responsible for the raising of the counter weight, and nothing else. Any serious 2SO investigator would know this to be true. Simple potential to kinetic energy conversion and centrifugal force is all that is going on here, all easily confirmed using accepted physics theory and mathematics.

Ok, maybe I was a bit harsh to say the theory is hogwash, but it hasn't been proven, and to claim the 2SO functions because of it is total hogwash. Prove the theory first.

The 225 HP posted in reply 2190 is PROOF already. Both USA and China Military have similar pulse engines. A lot of debunkers were paid to discredit it.
Scientifically, if the energy of the lever system were provided by the pendulum system, the pendulum system should show a marked decrease in energy. That should be a sudden decrease in the amplitude of oscillation. The video clearly showed that it is NOT the case. Energy must come from somewhere else. Gravitational Energy is Lead-out - one possible explanation.

The book by Jovan Marjanovic is worth reading even though I do not agree with all the points.
Quote:
Basic Principles of Over Unity
Electromagnetic Machines
A Scientific View into the World of Free
Energy from Electric Charges and
Magnetic Fields
by Jovan Marjanovic, M.Sc.
Johann W. Goethe said that the biggest secrets
were the open ones. You look at them but you do
not see them. The same is true with the
electromagnetic field. It is known fact that after
switching off an electromagnet, its magnetic
energy will be returned back to the circuit,
usually as a spark. What was missed is the fact
that the magnetic energy performed work by
attraction of an iron bar and didn’t consume
itself. This work, minus heat losses inside the
circuit, is free energy or over unity energy.

The goal of this book is to unlock the secrets of over unity and to teach people what is over
unity and how it works. The reader will learn basic ideas of making new ultra efficient
electric motors and generators and how to improve existing patents which use permanent
magnets.
More information and ordering
http://books.veljkomilkovic.com

We have all seen the video many times. Only recently, I realized that the lever system energy appeared suddenly - with no apparent change in energy of the pendulum system (no significant amplitude change). Energy must come from elsewhere. Traditional Physics could not explain that. If the total energy is conserved with no outside energy coming in - the pendulum system must lose some energy. The amplitude MUST decrease significantly.
Johann W. Goethe said that the biggest secrets
were the open ones. You look at them but you do
not see them.

Hopefuly, the Divine One opened my eyes this time - after 10 years!
↓

iacob alex · « **Reply #2195 on:** September 16, 2014, 11:09:18 AM »

Hi !
Let's make a short history :
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadoof

http://exploringafrica.matrix.msu.edu/images/3001as22.jpg

www.veljkomilkovic.com/OscilacijeEng.html

We cannot escape history...so, we must go back for primary information...
Al_ex

zoelra · « **Reply #2196 on:** September 16, 2014, 04:01:39 PM »

Ok ltseung888 I will give the theory another look. I did some math work on it a year or so ago and found something that seemed to strange to believe and I will share with you soon. This is why don't give the theory much credit. I will recreate the mathematical model to make sure I didn't make any mistakes.

For your information, I have built and studied several 2SO over the last 10 years. I have complete mathematical models and the 2SO behave exactly as traditional mathematics/physics predicts. Including the production of excess energy, but that is for a later post.

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2197 on:** September 16, 2014, 05:31:01 PM »

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Jovan_Marjanovic_Key_of_Gravity_Machines.pdf
In that article, Mr. Jovan Marjanovic actually reproduced some information on the Lee-Tseung Lead-out Energy Theory including the diagrams and calculations. However, he made the following comment:
***

The problem with the last statement that “2 parts of horizontal energy leads out one
part of vertical energy” is this: Horizontal energy has been spent by doing horizontal
work in order to push pendulum up. Once pendulum is up it has some potential energy.
Only way to use that potential energy is to allow pendulum to swing back into low position.
The work done that way would be one part. This means that two parts were spent in order
to have one part back. This is like investing two dollars and getting back only one (not as
interest, but as principal). This would be excellent way to a bankruptcy.

***

He made the mistake of assuming that horizontal energy has been spent in doing horizontal work (and dissipated?) The horizontal force actually increased the tension of the Pendulum string and the energy is retained in the Pendulum system, May be someday he and I can discuss such technical points face-to-face.

From reading his published information, I believe he also looked but failed to see. (It took me 10 years to see!) When the weight W1 was lifted “suddenly”, energy goes to the lever system. If the energy is from the pendulum system, the amplitude of oscillation of the pendulum should suddenly decrease. Experimental evidence from the video showed no such decrease.

Energy must come from elsewhere. The Lee-Tseung Theory proposes that gravitational energy is brought-in at this point via the increased tension in the string.

If gravitational energy can be brought-in via oscillating systems, magnetic and electromagnetic energy MUST be able to be brought-in…..

The 225 HP Pulse Motor is not a hoax. It is a scientific certainty. The Military from USA and China both want to keep it a secret. But how long can they keep this secret?

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2198 on:** September 16, 2014, 05:39:36 PM »

Quote from: zoelra on September 16, 2014, 04:01:39 PM

Ok ltseung888 I will give the theory another look. I did some math work on it a year or so ago and found something that seemed too strange to believe and I will share with you soon. This is why don't give the theory much credit. I will recreate the mathematical model to make sure I didn't make any mistakes.

For your information, I have built and studied several 2SO over the last 10 years. I have complete mathematical models and the 2SO behave exactly as traditional mathematics/physics predicts. Including the production of excess energy, but that is for a later post.

Please focus on "why the pendulum amplitude does not suddenly decrease" ...

zoelra · « **Reply #2199 on:** September 16, 2014, 06:23:30 PM »

ltseung888

I know exactly why the pendulum behaves as it does, but I am not about to say, as it is the reason the 2SO is a valid energy producer. All I will say is everyone is overlooking a key principle of force and motion. Hands on experimentation with a 2SO is the only way to move forward, and even then, the principle can be missed as is the case with Raymond Head. The Milkovic style 2SO should only be a starting point in your work, and will lead to an improved design if all goes well.

Again I say to everyone, traditional mathematics/physics accurately predicts all movements of the 2SO as well as its energy gains and losses.

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2200 on:** September 17, 2014, 01:58:37 PM »

Let us focus on the Seesaw system in the video.

The Weight W1 was 74 pounds. The Pendulum bob W2 was 46 pounds.

Let us assume L1 is equal to L2. From the video, L1 may be longer than L2. In no motion state, the anti-clockwise moment is 74 x L1 and the clockwise moment is 46 x L2. Anti-clockwise is much larger and the Weight W1 will not move.

When the centrifugal force (Fc) is large enough, (W2+Fc) x L2 can provide greater clockwise moment to lift the weight.

In the seesaw as shown in the diagram, the potential energy gained by W1 is W1 x g x h. One can argue that the potential energy loss by W2 is W2 x g x h. There is a net gain of (W1-W2) x g x h or (74-46) x g x h or 28 x g x h units.

Where does this energy come from? It comes from Tension of the String. This energy is used to raise the Weight W1. The Lee-Tseung lead-out theory argues that this is the Lead-out Gravitational energy. This amount of energy is brought-in to the system. This additional energy makes the Milkovic 2 stage Pendulum shown in the video Overunity. (An example of a Lead-out Energy Machine.)

Not every 2SO system is overunity. If W1 is less than W2, we do not have a net gain of potential energy. If L1 is shorter than L2, we may not have net gain of potential energy.

In the video, the Weight W1 is actually lifted and this work can be attributed to Gravity. Traditionally, we can use gravitational energy continuously in form of Tidal motion. Now we can use gravitational energy lead-out in the Milkovic 2SO system as shown!

Cheers to Milkovic, Raymond Head and all the contributors. They all look (at the video) but how many can see (that the system is already an overunity device). The greatest secret is now revealed.

God Bless.

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2201 on:** September 17, 2014, 07:20:19 PM »

The Impact of “seeing that gravitational energy can be led-out or brought-in by oscillating systems such as the Milkovic 2 stage Pendulum”.
1. It should now be clear to many who looked at the video that the energy of the lever or seesaw system is NOT transferred from the pendulum system.
2. The raising of the Weight W1 is done via the increased Tension of the pendulum string. The increased Tension is a “free” consequence of the oscillation of the Pendulum.
3. The increased Tension raised the Weight W1. That energy can be regarded as Gravitational Energy.
4. The Lee-Tseung Lead-out Energy Theory treats that as Lead-out or bring-in energy. The Input energy plus this Lead-out energy should be regarded as providing the total energy to any system.
5. If Gravitational Energy can be lead-out, Magnetic Energy must be able to be lead-out. The reason is that we can always use a permanent magnet as the pendulum bob and place other permanent magnets to increase the attraction. With magnets, we can also use repulsion, shielding, change direction and strength of the magnetic field.
6. The pendulum system can be replaced with an unbalanced wheel with the added advantage that the period of oscillation is not governed by the length of the string but by the speed of rotation.
7. Pulse force on a balanced wheel where the rotational energy is extracted has similar characteristics of an unbalanced wheel. A constant rotation flywheel can store energy. Pulse motors such as 225 HP, Bedini etc can lead-out electromagnetic energy.
8. No moving part machines with flux changes only via electric circuits can theoretically lead-out electromagnetic energy.
9. Electromagnetic energy is associated with the Electron Cloud Energy surrounding atoms and molecules. Using such energy is akin to using chemical energy.
10. Getting zero point energy is no longer abstract. The thermal energy at absolute zero degrees may be nil. But there are always gravitational, electromagnetic energies from the many stars and planets. Now we can use such energies.
11. Alternate Energy research and development will become respectable. The Milkovic 2-stage pendulum is likely to be replicated and treated as a standard teaching tool at all Universities. Milkovic is likely (and deservedly) to win the Nobel Prize.
12. Governments will pour in millions or billions of dollars in such research. Products will no longer be national secrets. For example, the 225 HP Pulse Motor will be made available to the General Public. The energy crisis is over. China (Hong Kong) is likely to become the Mecca of Alternate Energy Research?

How many who have been Looking can now See? Is the great secret revealed? Do I need to post more?

Divine Revelation?

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2202 on:** September 19, 2014, 12:03:42 AM »

Simple but conclusive experiment to show that Tension increases with oscillation amplitude.

If increased Tension is reponsible for lifting the weight W1, where does the energy come from?

Any model must answer this question!

Have you been looking? Can you see now?

Divine Revealation opened my eyes after 10 years. The great Open Secret is explained. The Milkovic 2SO is a clear example of Lead-out energy. Gravitational Energy is brought into the system.

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2203 on:** September 19, 2014, 11:06:43 AM »

I just finished a good meeting with an overunity energy researcher in Hong Kong. He sees the workings of the Milkovic 2SO now and knows why a large prototype such as that from Raymond Head is necessary.

He said: “Centrifugal force depends on v*v. The higher the velocity, the better will be the prototype in leading out gravitational energy. Most experimenters scale down linearly. No wonder thousands of experimenters cannot see.”

He continued: “If you cannot get the 225 HP Pulse motor from USA or China (for demonstration), you can try those recommended by Sterling Allan. Just pay. (You are too old to build any prototype yourself. He was polite.)

From Sterling D. Allan site:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page
Prototype Product from Russia:
http://mes50hz.ru/index_en.php
Prototype Product from Turkey:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:EKA_Elektirik_%28Electric%29_QMoGen_in_Turkey
Prototype Product from Quanta Magnetics
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:08:30#G1.27s_Gyroscopic_Resonant_Inertia_Pulse_Motor_Generator

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2204 on:** September 20, 2014, 11:35:11 AM »

Extracted from Patrick Kelly’s Book:

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter4.pdf

As there is excess energy, there appears to be no reason why it should not be made self-sustaining by feeding back some of the excess energy to maintain the movement. A very simple modification to do this could be:

Figure 4 – 25 (attached)

Here, the main beam A, is exactly balanced when weight B is hanging motionless in it’s “at-rest” position. When weight B is set swinging, it causes beam A to oscillate, providing much greater power at point C due to the much greater mass of beam A. If an additional, lightweight beam D is provided and counterbalanced by weight E, so that it has a very light upward pressure on its movement stop F, then the operation should be self-sustaining.

For this, the positions are adjusted so that when point C moves to its lowest point, it just nudges beam D slightly downwards. At this moment in time, weight B is at its closest to point C and about to start swinging away to the left again. Beam D being nudged downwards causes its tip to push weight B just enough to maintain its swinging. If weight B has a mass of “W” then point C of beam A has a downward thrust of 12W on Veljko’s working model. As the energy required to move beam D slightly is quite small, the majority of the 12W thrust remains for doing additional useful work such as operating a pump.

*** For all his knowledge and insight, Patrick Kelly may also be looking and not seeing. His comments and improvements are always to be admired. Will someone inform him of this great secret? All his work is well justified.

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