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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3210 on: April 26, 2015, 02:57:45 AM »
I am in Kentucky, USA.

The average welfare patron here gets $35,000/year in combined benefits.  In Washington, DC that figure climbs to over $50,000/year!!!  All for doing nothing.  I would agree with you about whose fault it is except I was raised to not expect something for nothing and that you had to work to earn what you needed/wanted.  That part of it is their fault.

But, I agree, why is the government taking my money and making me more poor than the folks getting that money? I work every day with no vacation or sick days and no benefits and earn less than half of what this moron is getting for free.  Now the IRS tells me I owe them several thousand dollars which includes fines for not having health insurance?  They already took 30% of my check each payday for taxes but, that is not enough.  My neighbor needs more money, so they will try to make me pay more.  Citizens will not put up with much more of this crap. It could get very bad.

Bill

I agree that some people take advantage of the system, and this should not occur. But lets imagine what our country would be like, if we did not take care of the impoverished sector... which, quite frankly is nearly half of the U.S......

People would starve, be homeless (wait that's already happening....) kids would go without the basic staples of life, businesses would fail because there is no expendable income to float the economy, interest rates would skyrocket, taxes would increase because of a lack of income and expenditures....

there is no perfect solution, but don't think for a minute that the political advisors are blindly making up these systems for no reason... it is all well thought out and planned for the best achievable result, and constantly reassessed and updated towards improvement. If we had a better answer we would implement it.
But the sad fact of the matter is, the more we 'dumb down' our education system, and raise children to rely more on technology instead of the knowledge they need to do things themselves, the worse this situation becomes. knowledge is lost, and with it goes ethics, morality, perseverance, integrity, intellect, skillsets

You can see this happening in every sector. When I was a kid Boyscouts were taught to "survive" in almost any situation.
  now days they aren't even properly trained to start a campfire...
Meteorology used to be a science, people were trained with the knowledge of air currents, barometric pressure, humidity, and all the conditions that make up our weather...  now T.V. stations hire any pretty-looking idiot that can read a computer printoff.
smart devices and calculators used in schools, curriculum becoming more and more vague and irrelevant, useless.....
We teach our kids to be idiots... If they manage to make it through highschool, and/or college, they didn't really learn anything, and most of them never land a job in the field they were allegedly trained in. They end up taking a low-paying job that barely makes ends-meat. Compound these problems with a higher divorce rate, and the subsequent increase in single parents...
People can't afford to pay their bills, they can't afford medical insurance, so we force them to take on medicare or they risk losing their precious tax returns... Can't afford food for their families, so they need food stamps. Rent is too high for the average income per area, so welfare increases. We created these problems in our society. What do we do other than help these people? Let them suffer?
  It is not much of a wonder when they grow up to be lazy and try to find an easy way out.
There's no value placed on hard work anymore.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3211 on: April 26, 2015, 03:20:18 AM »
I am sure that Tsinghua University knows how to build the lead-out energy flying saucers.

Wang, Lee and I gave the basic lecture in 2006.

Hong Kong has UFO sightings recently.  I would not be surprised if some Flying Saucer Prototypes are being built or tested close by...

Shenzhen is one of the most innovative high-technology cities of China.  I also gave a lecture there.  The chance of some of the over 600 audience understanding the significance of the lecture is high.  This thread is being studied.

If China reveals the top secret...

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3212 on: April 26, 2015, 04:00:52 AM »
I agree that some people take advantage of the system, and this should not occur. But lets imagine what our country would be like, if we did not take care of the impoverished sector... which, quite frankly is nearly half of the U.S......

People would starve, be homeless (wait that's already happening....) kids would go without the basic staples of life, businesses would fail because there is no expendable income to float the economy, interest rates would skyrocket, taxes would increase because of a lack of income and expenditures....

there is no perfect solution, but don't think for a minute that the political advisors are blindly making up these systems for no reason... it is all well thought out and planned for the best achievable result, and constantly reassessed and updated towards improvement. If we had a better answer we would implement it.
But the sad fact of the matter is, the more we 'dumb down' our education system, and raise children to rely more on technology instead of the knowledge they need to do things themselves, the worse this situation becomes. knowledge is lost, and with it goes ethics, morality, perseverance, integrity, intellect, skillsets

You can see this happening in every sector. When I was a kid Boyscouts were taught to "survive" in almost any situation.
  now days they aren't even properly trained to start a campfire...
Meteorology used to be a science, people were trained with the knowledge of air currents, barometric pressure, humidity, and all the conditions that make up our weather...  now T.V. stations hire any pretty-looking idiot that can read a computer printoff.
smart devices and calculators used in schools, curriculum becoming more and more vague and irrelevant, useless.....
We teach our kids to be idiots... If they manage to make it through highschool, and/or college, they didn't really learn anything, and most of them never land a job in the field they were allegedly trained in. They end up taking a low-paying job that barely makes ends-meat. Compound these problems with a higher divorce rate, and the subsequent increase in single parents...
People can't afford to pay their bills, they can't afford medical insurance, so we force them to take on medicare or they risk losing their precious tax returns... Can't afford food for their families, so they need food stamps. Rent is too high for the average income per area, so welfare increases. We created these problems in our society. What do we do other than help these people? Let them suffer?
  It is not much of a wonder when they grow up to be lazy and try to find an easy way out.
There's no value placed on hard work anymore.

I never said we should not help the folks that REALLY need the help.  I am just saying that this is not the Government's job to do it.  Before FDR, religious groups and churches helped the poor and those too old to work.Neighbors helped those neighbors where the husband dies and left a wife and kids.  The best thing about doing it that way is...one dollar is a dollar.  I give a dollar to a person needing help, they get a dollar.  The government takes my dollar and, with all of the bureaucracy involved, it actually costs $25 for them to give my neighbor a dollar.  Total stupidity.

Here is something most folks do not know.  Remember Hurricane Katrina?  All those folks just waiting around for the Government to step in and help.  That was embarrassing.  Now, recall the Chicago fire?  (The one that burned down most of the city a long time ago)  Guess how much taxpayer money was used to help all of those homeless and displaced Chicago folks?  Guess how much money the taxpayers had to pay to rebuild that city after the fire?

Ready?

$0.00  Nothing.  Not even a penny.  But, how can that be?  People had to eat, and rebuild, and needed water, etc.  Well, they managed to do it on their own and, as you may know, Chicago is still there.

That is what I am talking about.  Take the Government out of the things they are not supposed to be doing, and let people keep their money.  It is more efficient, and the job actually gets done faster, and better when local folks handle their own problems.

Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3213 on: April 26, 2015, 06:58:21 AM »
Actually Lawrence one would need to control inertia.

You can not make a change in direction at speed without destroying the occupants unless you can find, manipulate and control an inertial field.  If and when such is found then flight is rather simple and nothing else would be needed except for maybe a vessel to contain an atmosphere.

In regards to g forces, an object that is pulled from the front and pushed from the back with an equal force wouldn't feel or experience any g forces.  Within the atmosphere, a vacuum system can be used to accomplish this.  This is also the reason why there is no sonic boom associated with these crafts, since sound doesn't travel in a vacuum.

The saucers create a vacuum in the direction of travel. If there is low pressure on one side, the other side is subject to the full atmospheric pressure.   With an atmospheric pressure of 1.033 kg. per sq. cm. we can calculate that the force operating on a saucer of 20 m. diameter is equal to 3,278,272.8 kg.

Cathode rays have the strange property of decomposing the atmosphere through which they pass. Under the action of these rays, the elements of the atmosphere revert to their etheric state. In addition to this, the cathode rays intersect the anode rays at an angle of 45 degrees. This is achieved by using high voltage and current.  If they wish to go very fast, they use an absolute vacuum, and move through space in a flash. At other times, they use a semi-vacuum, and they will move more slowly. The intensity of the vacuum is proportional to the current used and is controlled by a rheostat. If they want to follow an undulating course, then they use a pulsing current.  In space, they use a different method.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3214 on: April 26, 2015, 07:43:43 AM »
A close friend told me about that, but he said it is top secret so I didn't want to post here.  I will have to check this out.

Bill
You have to obtain a special entrance permit to enter those facilities.  They have guards to keep people who don't have such permits out.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3215 on: April 26, 2015, 11:49:31 AM »
Pirate88179, your neighbor needs you. Who would need your work without him, who were you without him. All is common good. The only difference, you don't want the good to be so common.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3216 on: April 26, 2015, 12:10:33 PM »
From a Chinese Korean War Commander: "Courage and human flesh are not material in any war."

China must have equal or superior weapons.  Lead-out Energy Flying Saucers are obvious superior weapons.  No wonder they are top secret.

But in the Modern World, Wars are not fought in trenches.  They are fought in the Board Rooms and on the Internet...

The weapons are technology, economics and new paradigm.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3217 on: April 26, 2015, 12:23:04 PM »
There are many voices out there selling the idea to the middle class that their well being is being siphoned away by meager benefits to the weakest and most vulnerable in society.  The middle class are being systemically hosed not by the poor but by the wealthiest in our society.  The decimation of capital gains and estate taxes have led to the rich becoming super rich and their idle children get to keep that largesse.  The difference between a dilletante and a homeless person is in daddy's bank account.  The big welfare programs in the US support the big banks (fed discount window lends at a quarter point and the government borrows back at 3.25%) and a completely overblown military industrial complex.  More than $1 trillion per year go down those two rat holes.  Suppose we were to cut that in half.  Think of the economic activity we could generate with half a trillion per year. 

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3218 on: April 26, 2015, 10:23:12 PM »
But Mark, for a country with a huge debt that also runs a deficit every year halving a portion of the "loaned money" should only mean loaning less money, not loaning the same amount of money and staying in debt. If by some miracle the country manages to run a profit for the year the entire profit amount should go towards paying the debt down. After all that would be a good example to set rather than the example the elected officials set now and in the past.

Don't spend what you don't have and definitely do not borrow money on behalf of others that no one can pay back. Our government borrowed some 40 billion dollars and just handed it all out to the population during the GFC to stimulate the economy, it wasn't needed and did more harm than good because now we must pay it back with interest. Which no country should have to do. It's all a contrived mess. The messier it gets the harder it is to sort out and hold anyone responsible. The government of the day has no right to borrow money from some entity on my behalf then force the money on me. So the way I see it the debt is not mine. I don't pay tax anymore because I'm a pensioner, a real one with a crippling disability. Most likely I'll never work again. And when I look at the dysfunction in the way all government operates and the apathetic view of most workers towards any real solution, I think people are their own worst enemy and most lack the guts to do anything to help to prevent the situation becoming so bad our children's children will be born with debt they have no chance of ever paying back. 

If all the debt in the world is added up there is not enough real money to cover it. The debt is already unpayable. Seems like. I see no way that spending can increase or stay the same without the balance becoming greater.

This is the number 1 problem facing humanity, not free energy. Maybe it is close to the time for cleaning house, I'll jump into big bottomless pit if I can take all the Rothschilds and Rockefellers with me.

That's my offer.  ;)

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3219 on: April 27, 2015, 04:25:37 AM »
But Mark, for a country with a huge debt that also runs a deficit every year halving a portion of the "loaned money" should only mean loaning less money, not loaning the same amount of money and staying in debt. If by some miracle the country manages to run a profit for the year the entire profit amount should go towards paying the debt down. After all that would be a good example to set rather than the example the elected officials set now and in the past.

Don't spend what you don't have and definitely do not borrow money on behalf of others that no one can pay back. Our government borrowed some 40 billion dollars and just handed it all out to the population during the GFC to stimulate the economy, it wasn't needed and did more harm than good because now we must pay it back with interest. Which no country should have to do. It's all a contrived mess. The messier it gets the harder it is to sort out and hold anyone responsible. The government of the day has no right to borrow money from some entity on my behalf then force the money on me. So the way I see it the debt is not mine. I don't pay tax anymore because I'm a pensioner, a real one with a crippling disability. Most likely I'll never work again. And when I look at the dysfunction in the way all government operates and the apathetic view of most workers towards any real solution, I think people are their own worst enemy and most lack the guts to do anything to help to prevent the situation becoming so bad our children's children will be born with debt they have no chance of ever paying back. 

If all the debt in the world is added up there is not enough real money to cover it. The debt is already unpayable. Seems like. I see no way that spending can increase or stay the same without the balance becoming greater.

This is the number 1 problem facing humanity, not free energy. Maybe it is close to the time for cleaning house, I'll jump into big bottomless pit if I can take all the Rothschilds and Rockefellers with me.

That's my offer.  ;)

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For a government that collects taxes, they can increase revenue by increasing economic activity.  Economic activity has a multiplier effect.  People at the bottom spend all that they get and so the multiplier is very high.  People at the top hold onto a large proportion of the money they get and the multiplier effect is much lower.  Look at what has happened to government debt since the days of Reagan and Thatcher when these policies of unburdening the very wealthy went into effect:  Huge wealth gains at the top, and huge government deficits.  The very wealthy at the top want everyone to believe the myth that this is the result of assisting the weakest and most vulnerable in society.  They tell us that the way to run down the very government debt that is making a number of them much wealthier is to give the wealthiest an even greater proportion of economic production.

You are right that governments cannot hand out more than they take in indefinitely.  What many people do not see is that the really big hand-outs are to the super rich and their children.  The children of the super rich do not contribute anymore to economic production than anyone else who does not work.  They live off the huge government give away to their parents.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3220 on: April 28, 2015, 01:43:49 AM »
hi Mr. Lawrence Tseung!
                                              Well, it certainly has been a long time since we corresponded - 7 years!

Briefly, i have now been living and teaching in China for 5 years altogether, in 7 places, including Shenzhen last year, and now in Fujian. Besides teaching, my main free-time activity is of course inventing! and i can safely say that these days i am making more progress than ever, though i still only have a very basic range of tools in my bedroom flat type lab here (i rent a flat with 3 rooms)
Last year i also got to know the guys at the QEG lab in SZ a little, and visited them a few times.

This time i decided it was appropriate to renew contact... these days i am actually building some of them, and that my planned solid-state device will look very similar to my rotating devices that i am building, and steadily improving on...

This person has good contacts with Chas Campbell.  It is clear that some researchers in China are working on overunity devices in Shenzhen (city next to Hong Kong).  Sighting UFOs should not surprise any one.

I shall encourage him to post here.  Having more than one design of the Flying Saucer will add to our collective understanding.

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3221 on: April 28, 2015, 11:45:46 AM »
Ok, but I'm not all sure what my designs have to do with UFOs! - There may be a vague resemblance between the two, but my intention is to transduce Energy, not make ufos - I think there are enough out there already. (Also, i'm not sure what that has to do with this thread!) ..

hi Mr. Lawrence Tseung!
                                              Well, it certainly has been a long time since we corresponded - 7 years!

Briefly, i have now been living and teaching in China for 5 years altogether, in 7 places, including Shenzhen last year, and now in Fujian. Besides teaching, my main free-time activity is of course inventing! and i can safely say that these days i am making more progress than ever, though i still only have a very basic range of tools in my bedroom flat type lab here (i rent a flat with 3 rooms)
Last year i also got to know the guys at the QEG lab in SZ a little, and visited them a few times.

This time i decided it was appropriate to renew contact... these days i am actually building some of them, and that my planned solid-state device will look very similar to my rotating devices that i am building, and steadily improving on...

This person has good contacts with Chas Campbell.  It is clear that some researchers in China are working on overunity devices in Shenzhen (city next to Hong Kong).  Sighting UFOs should not surprise any one.

I shall encourage him to post here.  Having more than one design of the Flying Saucer will add to our collective understanding.

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3222 on: April 29, 2015, 12:56:07 AM »
Ok, but I'm not all sure what my designs have to do with UFOs! - There may be a vague resemblance between the two, but my intention is to transduce Energy, not make ufos - I think there are enough out there already. (Also, i'm not sure what that has to do with this thread!) ..


You can use the atmospheric pressure and vacuum technology of the ufo's to create something similar to a wind tunnel to power a generator.  You can exponentially increase the output to input ratio just by increasing the diameter.  In other words, the larger the diameter of the saucer and/or tunnel, the higher the COP.  If this isn't transducing energy, then I don't know what is.  If this doesn't have anything to do with this thread, then my sincerest apologies, but I never brought this subject up.


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3223 on: April 29, 2015, 01:01:55 AM »
But Mark, for a country with a huge debt that also runs a deficit every year halving a portion of the "loaned money" should only mean loaning less money, not loaning the same amount of money and staying in debt. If by some miracle the country manages to run a profit for the year the entire profit amount should go towards paying the debt down. After all that would be a good example to set rather than the example the elected officials set now and in the past.

Don't spend what you don't have and definitely do not borrow money on behalf of others that no one can pay back. Our government borrowed some 40 billion dollars and just handed it all out to the population during the GFC to stimulate the economy, it wasn't needed and did more harm than good because now we must pay it back with interest. Which no country should have to do. It's all a contrived mess. The messier it gets the harder it is to sort out and hold anyone responsible. The government of the day has no right to borrow money from some entity on my behalf then force the money on me. So the way I see it the debt is not mine. I don't pay tax anymore because I'm a pensioner, a real one with a crippling disability. Most likely I'll never work again. And when I look at the dysfunction in the way all government operates and the apathetic view of most workers towards any real solution, I think people are their own worst enemy and most lack the guts to do anything to help to prevent the situation becoming so bad our children's children will be born with debt they have no chance of ever paying back. 

If all the debt in the world is added up there is not enough real money to cover it. The debt is already unpayable. Seems like. I see no way that spending can increase or stay the same without the balance becoming greater.

This is the number 1 problem facing humanity, not free energy. Maybe it is close to the time for cleaning house, I'll jump into big bottomless pit if I can take all the Rothschilds and Rockefellers with me.

That's my offer.  ;)

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This post doesn't have anything to do with this thead, and it doesn't have anything to do with transferring energy either.


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3224 on: April 29, 2015, 09:55:36 AM »

You can use the atmospheric pressure and vacuum technology of the ufo's to create something similar to a wind tunnel to power a generator.  You can exponentially increase the output to input ratio just by increasing the diameter.  In other words, the larger the diameter of the saucer and/or tunnel, the higher the COP.  If this isn't transducing energy, then I don't know what is.  If this doesn't have anything to do with this thread, then my sincerest apologies, but I never brought this subject up.


Gravock

This post has nothing to do with reality not to mention the topic. Show us one of these UFO's or the blueprints for it.

Pictures or it didn't happen.  :)

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