Author Topic: Is this the first selfrunning overunity motor w/o batteries ? Mike?s motor (Read 575417 times)

corona · « **Reply #255 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:12:11 AM »

Hi,
AFAIK the hall used is a low power hall effect sensor with common emitter output, that means that the output is connected to ground when magnet is near and not connected to anything(floating) when magnet is away.

The more standard tye of hall effect sensor has a voltage output that is proportional to the magnetic flux it detects, this type should be usable with an extra transistor and resistor so that the transistor switches on/off as you move magnet near/away.

I started doing it this way, but my hall seemed to chew up a lot of power, and ran hot (this was running it through a 5V zener reg, so I don't know why it was hot).

So now I'm looking for a better hall switch. One suggestion is to look in old computer fans, the cheaper the better. These fans all have hall's in them, and many of them will be the switching type of hall you want, although the first fan i pulled apart was a high quality one with ball bearings and a seperate ic in it, and the boring standard hall effect, nota switching one.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #256 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:20:35 AM »

@NerzhDishual

You could also substitute the Hall IC via a reed relay switch,
which is turned on,when the magnet passes by.

You could probably notreach such high RPMs, but for a first quick
test this would be okay.
As the hall ICjust switches its open collector transistor on and
thus energizes the LED inside the SS relay, that could also be done
by a reed relay switch.

Regards, Stefan.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #257 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:22:14 AM »

@hstearnsjr
looks good your "Juicer" motor.

Do you drive the rotor via this juicer motor too ?
Or is it just only using the bearings and the shaft from it ?

Could you post a circuit diagram ?
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

hstearnsjr · « **Reply #258 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:52:12 AM »

Quote from: hartiberlin on February 22, 2007, 01:22:14 AM

@hstearnsjr
looks good your "Juicer" motor.

Do you drive the rotor via this juicer motor too ?
Or is it just only using the bearings and the shaft from it ?

Could you post a circuit diagram ?
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

I did not use the juicer motor when running, but the juicer induction motor is very handy when taking measurements ( voltage/rpm on both coils, and 63000 uF capacitor charging time / RPM etc. ).

I'll send a schematic when I draw one and photograph it ( I don't have schematic entry software -- any suggestions? ). It's just an inductive pickup, a 555 timer, and a 2N3055 transistor from the capacitor.

hstearnsjr · « **Reply #259 on:** February 22, 2007, 02:03:00 AM »

Re: placing magnets

With my juicer motor, I found the easy way to position the magnets without having them move and stick together is to put a thin steel plate over the top of the rotor. The magnets stick to that and I can slide them to the proper position. Then I tighten the straps and peel off the steel plate. Before I did that the magnets slid together and made it very hard to position them. I still have two magnets stuck together and I can't get them apart [ :-( ] . I think I'll have to make a wooden tool to separage them. I think I need a whole set of non-magnetic tools if I continue with this research.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #260 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:15:39 PM »

PeterLindemann wrote:

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Stefan,

This forum is about trying to replicate Mike's variation of John's Window Motor, or John's Window Motor directly. I really think bringing your Newman Motor model into this group is a distraction, as well as being completely irrelevant.

I wish all of your Newman Motor posts could be removed from the forum, scope shots and all!

Peter

Hello Peter and ALL,
I am not using the Newman coil in a Newman configuration.
I am now using this coil just as an Replacement for the Window-Coil.
I just want to see, if it also works with such a normal coil.

ALso as you could see, my open circuit voltage at the coil has about the same voltage output waveform as the Mike motor modification, although it is much higher, cause I have more windings...

So I think these are valid tests...
I don?t use any Newman things with it, just the coil
and the magnet inside the coil.

I hope this makes it all clear.
Please just forget the word "Newman" about it...

Regards, Stefan.

helmut · « **Reply #261 on:** February 22, 2007, 01:51:21 PM »

Quote from: hstearnsjr on February 22, 2007, 02:03:00 AM

Re: placing magnets

With my juicer motor, I found the easy way to position the magnets without having them move and stick together is to put a thin steel plate over the top of the rotor. The magnets stick to that and I can slide them to the proper position. Then I tighten the straps and peel off the steel plate. Before I did that the magnets slid together and made it very hard to position them. I still have two magnets stuck together and I can't get them apart [ :-( ] . I think I'll have to make a wooden tool to separage them. I think I need a whole set of non-magnetic tools if I continue with this research.

What about winding a coil around the Space,where the Magnets stick together
And than suply this coil with a dc ,to create a magnetic field,that works against the Field that both Magnets use to be kombined.?
It might be helpful to separate them.

however good luck

Helmut

SPP-48 · « **Reply #262 on:** February 22, 2007, 03:10:28 PM »

I have collected most of the items required and have started to build a window motor as close as possible to the instructions gleaned from Mike. (Pics attached)

The wire for coils 1 & 3 is 0.25mm dia and coil 2 is 0.315mm. Each coil has a total resistance of 45 ohms, wound trifilar with the extra coil 2 length divided equally at the beginning and end . Coil 2 is 417 turns and Coils 1 & 3 are 263 turns.

The magnets are ferrite 150mm x 12mm x 6mm.

The spindle is mounted on roller bearings removed from an old VCR guide roller and spins quite freely, at least 30 seconds with a hand spin.

Now this is where I must show my ignorance of electronics:

Applying 12 VDC to any of the coils causes the rotor to jiggle around, but not to rotate.
Should it be able to spin with a constant current applied, or does it need to be switched on and off at the appropriate point.?

Checking the charging from coil 2 with a hand spin, shows around 2.5V.

I?m looking for some guidance here. Are there any formulas regarding the ratio of coil size and magnet strength etc. Will the coil/magnet arrangement be right when coil 2 can generate around 6V DC at the sort of speed Mike was showing in his video?

My next step was to try a bigger coil, and perhaps some stronger magnets, but I don?t really want to waste my time if someone is prepared to share their experience.

Thanks in advance

SPP-48

gezgin · « **Reply #263 on:** February 22, 2007, 03:24:07 PM »

SPP-48
nice mechanical setup,
Do you use hall ic, transistors circuit?

i want to build window motor too, but need coils&mechanic parts. i bought electronic
parts.Hall ic is : 3119U (output 25mA) with datasheet, but i didnt find 3020 datasheet.
&neodmium strong magnets.

For optimum coil calculations ,"coil maestro" software can be use.
0.3mm, 48 ohm, R=150mm coil inductance : ~50 mH.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #264 on:** February 22, 2007, 03:32:46 PM »

Okay,
SPP-48 now you have a nice motor with the right coils.
Now you need to apply the electronics to switch the coils in the right
timing.
Have a look again at Mike?s last circuit diagram:

hartiberlin · « **Reply #265 on:** February 22, 2007, 03:34:53 PM »

And here the circuit diagram again from
EMDevices.
Note, that the Hall IC and SS Relay ( part 1 and 2) are just sketched,
so they just show their function, but not their real inner workings !

hartiberlin · « **Reply #266 on:** February 22, 2007, 03:41:12 PM »

By the way, in which posting did Mike say, he used only 10 Ohms for the resistor
at the trigger winding in front of the diode and the 2st transistor ?
In Bedini?s original circuit the resistor was 7,5 KOhm !

EMdevices please clarify.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #267 on:** February 22, 2007, 04:15:50 PM »

Here is again the original Cole motor circuit diagram, just posted by John Bedini.
There the first resistor is 7,5 KOhm.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #268 on:** February 22, 2007, 04:17:20 PM »

This video is interesting:

http://rpmgt.org/Window1.wmv

Omnibus · « **Reply #269 on:** February 22, 2007, 06:50:43 PM »

@Stefan,

I came in late in this discussion but made an effort to read the initial 20 pages in the gnOsis forum as well as some of the latest postings here. I really hope I?m wrong but I have a feeling that this is another, this time a little more elaborate, playing with people?s enthusiasm. We?ve seen things first hand, I?m sure you won?t deny this. Recall Danny from Ohio, recall Torbay or that other guy with the Bessler wheel, recall @mervace etc. This time it appears that the fraud is taking a different approach appearing for some time extremely cooperative and seemingly providing undeniable evidence. Why is he doing this is another story. I hope it?s not paranoia but I?ve a feeling someone is trying to punish ?those cuckoo?s believing in free energy? in an innovative way, in a way that hasn?t been tried before by making it appear he?s cooperative and sharing. At that, in the same breath presenting something obviously overunity while claiming with a straight face it?s not while laughing at the whole crowd of suckers who fell for his scam.

If the above is wrong this so-called @Mike should come forth once again, should reappear from his den and should allow someone to visit him and carry out independent studies of his now-infamous-motor. If that doesn?t happen in the coming days I don?t see why one should try to replicate a phantom. Unless someone other than @Mike has his own data proving more energy out than in even if the motor he has is still not self-running.

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