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Author Topic: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2  (Read 246132 times)

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #1365 on: February 22, 2012, 04:01:41 PM »

Hi Khwartz,
 
You and everyone else, have been watching the work in progress, live, as I build and figure this out.  It has been years of working on this.  The last part to fall into place were understanding the magnetic fields of the TPU, by understanding the magnetic fields of a straight wire, and then understanding it's repulsion to all of it's neighbors.  Understanding that the collectors are NOT a solenoid is a HUGE breakthrough.  Understanding the opposition of currents (visa vie magnetic fields) was a HUGE breakthrough.  Learning to wind the thing properly, etc.  So every step builds on itself. 
 
Now, I can make sense of the open TPU, and all of the other many versions, and understand why and how they worked.  Figuring out the frequencies to intermodulate was not enough, we HAD to have the proper "circuit potential", and now we do.
 
Cheers,
 
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Hi Bruce! Thanks for your reply.

I do agree with you: all what you speak about are very important/major breakthroughs, and thanks to all here and you especially to bring the knowledge to this point.

I just would like to demonstrate the possibility of overunity on this kind of device, so just would like to know if you have already achieve it, Bruce, even to a little scale.

Cheer, Khwartz.

PS: thanks again for your vids, while not english tongue, it helps much to understand something :) could be in YouTube your could paste the exact number of the post the vid concerns, something like that, to help to get the written data.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #1366 on: February 22, 2012, 04:16:24 PM »

Hi Alexey,
 
Your answer on the tubing is found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihSlPkbpPwg&list=UUxVE7vWzgwsM2eoDFSWghnw&index=9&feature=plcp
 
And, yes, having less strands will change the diameter, but this is not a big deal!  You will end up with a few extra unwrapped inches on either end.  Always remember, that it is the LENGTH of both collector segments and control wires, that is critical too the working of the TPU.  Just adjust the calculator accordingly.  We used over 300 strands per wire. 
 
Cheers,
 
Bruce
Hi again Bruce!

As this is the length that is critical here, how do you manage the fact that the outer wiring will be longer than the inner one? while both are aside horizontally on a convex curve? I mean, you talk about millimetres but it should have several millimetres of differences between the tow length, theoretically...

Cheer, Khwartz.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #1366 on: February 22, 2012, 04:16:24 PM »

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #1367 on: February 24, 2012, 05:44:41 PM »
Hi again Bruce!

As this is the length that is critical here, how do you manage the fact that the outer wiring will be longer than the inner one? while both are aside horizontally on a convex curve? I mean, you talk about millimetres but it should have several millimetres of differences between the tow length, theoretically...

Cheer, Khwartz.

Hi Khwartz,
 
Both inner and outer are EXACTLY the same length.  When winding, the ends don't line up, etc., but none of that matters.  Please see drawing below for understanding.  LENGTH determines resonance.  Winding length, simply determines magnetic field interaction between inner and outer windings.  Now, notice in the drawing below, both pieces (ignore the shape) are the same length, but then notice where the magnetic interaction is.  The main thing is to keep the length correct, and to wind them correctly back on themselves.
 
Cheers,
 
Bruce

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #1368 on: February 25, 2012, 06:10:41 PM »
Hi Sam, Eric and everyone,
 
I have completed the winding of the second control coil.  It turned out nice, and wound fairly fast!  I have made two Youtube videos, a part A and part B. 
 
I also have two pictures down below.  It we can have some Litz made to our specs, non twisted, winding these is not very difficult at all.  I will be straightening out the wires and making them all nice and neat. 
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DLklFp-xDI
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG_4SHX-POU
 
 
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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #1368 on: February 25, 2012, 06:10:41 PM »

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #1369 on: February 26, 2012, 08:28:33 PM »
Hey guys,
 
I spent several hours this morning working on the proper winding sizes for the 6" TPU, for all of the control wires, and all three collector segments.  I have the engineering report, and my own experience winding the 15" TPU (the thickness of the windings is 1/2" per side times 2 = 1")  The engineering report gave me a 6" Outside diameter, 5" inside diameter, and 1.75 inch height.  This made it fairly easy to calculate everything! 
 
The only thing I am not sure of, is the fundamental frequency.  I believe it to be the 38.244 KHz, but if not, it is 76.489 KHz.  Either one, the windings are still the same, so you can try both.  And of course our two carrier frequencies never change, of 222 KHz and 115 KHz.
 
Have fun, be safe!
 
Cheers,
 
Bruce
 
EDIT:
Fixed the "6 Inch TPU Coil Designer", as it had the incorrect number of turns, wire diameter and spacing.  Much more accurate now.   ;)
« Last Edit: February 27, 2012, 01:50:51 AM by Bruce_TPU »

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #1370 on: February 27, 2012, 02:06:14 PM »

Hi Khwartz,
 
Both inner and outer are EXACTLY the same length.  When winding, the ends don't line up, etc., but none of that matters.  Please see drawing below for understanding.  LENGTH determines resonance.  Winding length, simply determines magnetic field interaction between inner and outer windings.  Now, notice in the drawing below, both pieces (ignore the shape) are the same length, but then notice where the magnetic interaction is.  The main thing is to keep the length correct, and to wind them correctly back on themselves.
 
Cheers,
 
Bruce


Colleagues,
Can I add one consequence from what was said here above. The cavity height and diameter don't have to be exact +/- mm as pointed on autocad drawings with sub-millimeter precision. Plus the ribs change the winding diameter.
Am I right?
Regards Alexey

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #1371 on: February 27, 2012, 02:59:37 PM »

Colleagues,
Can I add one consequence from what was said here above. The cavity height and diameter don't have to be exact +/- mm as pointed on autocad drawings with sub-millimeter precision. Plus the ribs change the winding diameter.
Am I right?
Regards Alexey
Hi Alexey,
 
This is correct, as far as the center form, just try to get as close as possible.  The initial center form was a tad under in diameter, and by adding the ribs (ribs not a needed component) it brought the antenna winding to spot on, for the diameter.  The height of the form is also correct, to the mm.  I sanded it to make it so.  It will just increase the output is all. Many of the other style TPU's had no resonant cavity at all.  ;)   Think of it as a "speaker cabinet".  A speaker will work without a cabinet, but it just make it "sound better".  Our resonant "cabinet" will simply take the "sound resonance" to the next level.
 
Cheers,
 
Bruce

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #1372 on: February 27, 2012, 06:02:06 PM »
Hi Bruce,


I know the original spreadsheet is somewhere back among all these pages. Could you upload the corrected spreadsheet?


It would be great if a pdf of the entire construction could be done. 90+ pages is a lot to go through to find relevant details.


Do you have the control circuits built and ready to go? It looks like you're very close to being able to test!


Thanks very much.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #1373 on: February 27, 2012, 07:03:52 PM »
Hi Bruce,


I know the original spreadsheet is somewhere back among all these pages. Could you upload the corrected spreadsheet?


It would be great if a pdf of the entire construction could be done. 90+ pages is a lot to go through to find relevant details.


Do you have the control circuits built and ready to go? It looks like you're very close to being able to test!


Thanks very much.

Hi there Equityboost,
 
I have started a NEW thread, with all engineering details only, and build details, here:  It is a "work in progress!"
http://www.overunity.com/12000/bruces-sm-tpu-engineering-information-for-replication/
 
Cheers,
 
Bruce

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #1374 on: February 28, 2012, 09:23:48 AM »

Hi there Equityboost,
 
I have started a NEW thread, with all engineering details only, and build details, here:  It is a "work in progress!"
http://www.overunity.com/12000/bruces-sm-tpu-engineering-information-for-replication/
 
Cheers,
 
Bruce

Hi Bruce,
Thank you for your prompt replies. On your latest video I heard you've changed the wire sizes for a proper spacing. I've checked "15inch TPU Coil Designer Inclusive" and have not seen changes there. So could you please clarify what sizes were used? In video you say L2 was 16 AWG and 1.6-1.7mm. But size 16 AWG stands for 1.29mm. Where is a discrepancy? insulation?
What L3 size is going to be?
Thanks Alexey

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« Reply #1375 on: February 28, 2012, 03:11:58 PM »
Hi Bruce,
Thank you for your prompt replies. On your latest video I heard you've changed the wire sizes for a proper spacing. I've checked "15inch TPU Coil Designer Inclusive" and have not seen changes there. So could you please clarify what sizes were used? In video you say L2 was 16 AWG and 1.6-1.7mm. But size 16 AWG stands for 1.29mm. Where is a discrepancy? insulation?
What L3 size is going to be?
Thanks Alexey

Hi Alexey,
 
You are very observant!  A very good quality indeed.  I misspoke on the video, and corrected it the other day on the engineering thread.  Your answer is found here, at "Addition 3 & 4".
 
http://www.overunity.com/12000/bruces-sm-tpu-engineering-information-for-replication/msg313204/#msg313204
 
Cheers,
 
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« Reply #1376 on: February 29, 2012, 01:47:43 AM »
Hi Sam, Eric and everyone,
 
This evening I have glued up the "holder" for the top collector.  I added an additional layer of poster board to the center of the belt (two layers now of poster board), as this will stiffen and strengthen it further.  And it has!  I used 3M  77 spray contact glue, available at Lowes.  Quick and easy.  I then taped the top collector to it, all nice and neat.  It is the perfect height, so that the third control wires will be long enough to extend around the entire unit.  Tomorrow I cut the third control wire to it's resonant length.
 
Next, I need to cut some lengths of alum wire to use as wire ties, as I did with the second collector, as a "temporary", allowing me to wrap the third control coil.  Please see 9A and 9B of my Youtube series for more details of that.
 
Cheers,
 
Bruce

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« Reply #1377 on: March 01, 2012, 02:05:46 AM »
Hi Sam, Eric and everyone,
 
I have completed the "wire tie wraps", to hold everything together, as I begin the winding of the third and final control coil, this weekend.  Of course each tie is unwrapped, as I reach its spot with the control coil winding.
 
Cheers,
 
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« Reply #1378 on: March 03, 2012, 05:10:51 AM »
Hello All,
 
Some BIG news tonight, as I have FINALLY understood why SM wanted everyone to start with tubes, (at that time, we did not know of the "geometric progression" as shown for the 15" TPU, on page 1 of the Engineering thread).  Now, those wanting to build using Mosfets, finally can. 
 
Herein lies the secret!!!  : 
The tube amps (TYPE A) ONLY produce EVEN harmonics.  Even harmonics based on our geometric progression, is all that we have!  Our fundamental frequency (beat freq) is multiplied by 2, and then that is multiplied by 2, and so on.  EVEN harmonics only!  It is ODD harmonics that produce distortion in the sound!  The reason SM talked about how GOOD his "stereo sounded", is because it only put out even harmonics.
 
Build an amp, out of Mosfets, that produces ONLY even harmonics, and that is your controller.
 
Please read the " 15" Frequency Calculator" page, and understand the geometric progression.  Next, read the following link, ESPECIALLY line number 32, (pictured below).
 
http://www.endino.com/archive/arch2.html
 
 
The second breakthrough is in the phase inversion, and I will explain tomorrow.  :-)  This gets easier as we go..!
 
Cheers,
 
Bruce 
 
 

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« Reply #1379 on: March 03, 2012, 07:38:23 AM »
Bruce, That certainly makes sense.

Wouldn't it be possible, or actually "simple", to use a modern Amplifier chip for the driver that had NO harmonics?  I realize this might introduce other situations, but modern digital processing makes such things very simple.  Single chip, low distortion amps are not that much these days.  (I remember the laser-trimmed Burr-Brown D/A converter chips being >$500 when they first came out.  Now an equal device is less that $5.)

(I also realize that sounding "Good" in this case is actually a misnomer.  Older audiophiles would NOT like true clean sound as it really didn't exist back then.  There still isn't a speaker made that gets below 1% distortion with any real bandwidth, but that's me looking at it from the tech end, not from the listening end.  I have always preferred digital as the sound was "cleaner", though I didn't know why for quite some time.   Thanks for that link as the page on basics of analog distortion was never applied to music by me before.  My knowledge on this whole group of problems with tape was from computer tape drives, that no-one uses anymore, but they certainly were greatly affected by this exact same situation.  Anyone remember calibrating for the "Ones" and "Zeros" windows within the range of harmonics allowed for tape speed?  Talking real history there.....)

Applying this to the signals being fed to the loops of a TPU is another story, of course.  I am looking forward to you next post as this may turn out much better than I initially expected.  Some is still beyond me, as I am fairly certain that a TPU was created that had only a single loop.  Could that be why power was so limited in that unit?  My best course of action now is to watch the experts and see what happens...

Still lurking about and enjoying the build.  (Very nice job, by the way...)


 

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