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resonanceman

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Re: Wild & crazy Caduceus Coil interpretation
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2008, 07:10:39 PM »
HHhhhhhnnnnnnn


If this is a diagram of a  power coil  of some kind .....  that would probably mean that  everything  in it means  something .

No one  has  speculated on the wings or the  " extra " block  like thing  in the middle  of the  secondary .



As  for the swords .......   I am not going to  explain what I  call step 2  yet ........ but   the swords make this a pretty good representation   of my  plans


Just to save everyone a few  questions
Step   1 is getting usable  power from a stubblefield battery or something similar .   

Step  2  is  still just a theory  that I have been working on for a few years now .
I am not  going to reveal it  untested..............

gary



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Re: Wild & crazy Caduceus Coil interpretation
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2008, 09:44:33 PM »
Well gary, you're being very mysterious about your "step2" ;)

Thing is, I was more focused on the caduceus as a whole and as a symbol,
and the most common version is the two-snakes-around-a-staff one like
shown in that pic I posted all the way up. The second most common is a
clear variation of that like the "celtic" one. The version with the two "griffins"
next to it is a mesopotamian version, the one with the staff occurs in egyptian,
phoenician, greek, and roman depictions.
Most versions have either wings on the coiled snakes, wings on the staff, wings on a bird
hovering over the staff, wings on the god carrying the staff, or in greek and roman
versions sometimes a ribbon in a similar shape and on the same spot next to the staff.
Wings seem to imply flying through the air, and a ribbon that flies in the wind is clearly
very similar, so I think it is symbolic of something like that. Perhaps symbolic of the aether?
:)
As for the "blocks", they look like a flag or banner or something, and it looks like there's
inscriptions on it... Could mean two sides of one flag? I don't really know.
I hadn't really given it much thought yet, as it is not an element that occurs in the
egyptian, greek, roman and celtic versions.

Can you please some hint as to what you think the swords might represent?
 

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Re: Wild & crazy Caduceus Coil interpretation
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2008, 10:10:37 PM »


]Wings seem to imply flying through the air, and a ribbon that flies in the wind is clearly
very similar, so I think it is symbolic of something like that. Perhaps symbolic of the aether?
:)

That is a good point. aether I like that.

I was thinking another spark gap producer, but how many "lightning bolt producers" could one god need?

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As for the "blocks", they look like a flag or banner or something, and it looks like there's
inscriptions on it... Could mean two sides of one flag? I don't really know.
I hadn't really given it much thought yet, as it is not an element that occurs in the
egyptian, greek, roman and celtic versions.

It is my understanding that the heiroglyphics came first then the wedge shaped things that made the cuneiform writing. I see the markings as heiroglyphics. This would make this version be more ancient than the egyptian, greek, roman and celtic versions. (There are so many interesting things to do and think about regarding this.) If this is a more ancient version then it is perhaps a better source for the real meaning of the symbols.

Thank you,

jeanna

resonanceman

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Re: Wild & crazy Caduceus Coil interpretation
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2008, 10:41:57 PM »


Can you please some hint as to what you think the swords might represent?
 


Sorry Koen

The way  things like this play out is
I explain my  theorys 
All  the skeptics  jump in and tell me all the reasons it can't work.
They  tell me  all the things I MUST do to PROVE that it works
If  ONE of the  things that  they said has to be  proven  can't be proven .......then I am a fraud ........

I have seen these things happen  many  times on  this site.
The  most effective  level of supression  of any good idea doesn't cost  the  big guys a cent . 
That level is right here . in  the skeptics and non willingness  to accept anything except   what you  already believe.




The hints I have already  given you are enough  for  someone that  understands these kinds of things .


When  I  have a working model   I will   show  you  how   the  image  is  a good representation of it  .


gary

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Re: Wild & crazy Caduceus Coil interpretation
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2008, 11:21:47 PM »
@resonanceman-MAYBE SWORDS ON EACH SIDE COULD BE THE PLATES OF A CAPACITOR BUT...... I DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO THAT?

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Re: Wild & crazy Caduceus Coil interpretation
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2008, 11:36:41 PM »
@resonanceman-MAYBE SWORDS ON EACH SIDE COULD BE THE PLATES OF A CAPACITOR BUT...... I DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO THAT?


Pyrodin

That is not  what I think  the swords mean . 


I do think  that bi metal  is part of the answer
In this case I think that the  center   has an iron winding and a copper  winding .
And  an iron core.





I made a large  capacitor  with  alternating   copper and  galvanised sheet metal plates .
Just  sitting on the table it  creates   .5 V  but  no power
I havn't found a good dialectric   yet .
If I charge it up to 20 V it  all bleads  off in a few seconds
At that rate ......when I find the right  dialectric  to stop the  blead off .......I expect to  get some power out of it ....and higher voltage .


gary

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Re: Wild & crazy Caduceus Coil interpretation
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2008, 12:04:51 AM »
@resonanceman-MAYBE SWORDS ON EACH SIDE COULD BE THE PLATES OF A CAPACITOR BUT...... I DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO THAT?


Pyrodin

That is not  what I think  the swords mean . 


I do think  that bi metal  is part of the answer
In this case I think that the  center   has an iron winding and a copper  winding .
And  an iron core.





I made a large  capacitor  with  alternating   copper and  galvanised sheet metal plates .
Just  sitting on the table it  creates   .5 V  but  no power
I havn't found a good dialectric   yet .
If I charge it up to 20 V it  all bleads  off in a few seconds
At that rate ......when I find the right  dialectric  to stop the  blead off .......I expect to  get some power out of it ....and higher voltage .


gary



Just thought  I should add

I do believe that the Testatica  uses  a  coils inside of capictors    fromm my experience they would  give alit higher power   if the caps were bimetal            The  first   time I saw a  picture of a  bi metal   cap I was reaserching  the Testatica  .....I have tried but I can't find that  page anymore .

These   coils  within  caps are the large cans that  you see on the Testatica


gary


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Re: Wild & crazy Caduceus Coil interpretation
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2008, 05:49:55 AM »
OKFolks,
Here is the drawing I promissed.

I made this to use in the stubblefield posts that needed pictorial backup.

 Today, I duplicated the image and flipped it and made the top layer a bit translucent so you can see the top 2 layers. Normally, of course you would only see the top layer. This then shows,

1- the central core piece which is made of iron,
2- the first layer of paired copper and iron windings going one way
3- the second layer of same but going the other way.

It does not show
the secondary or any of the wires as they are connected.

You realize, I know, that the secondary adds 2 more wires on the top of this.

The only unvariable regarding the ends of these wires that Stubblefield defines in his patent is that one pair of the copper and iron must stay "disconnected so as to preserve the character of the wires as electrodes of the voltaic couple." [we are working at sorting this out. If you are interested please join at the stubblefield (bifilar) thread.]

This is a very small version. As it developed he was able to power large installations with larger versions. The voltaic part doesn't decompose from the usual electrochemical activity and the whole thing (really a generator, not a battery) continues to serve for years. (according to witnesses at the time.)

Also, let me add - remind, that the photo I posted yesterday of several of these in the yard, is the outside of the whole thing, and what you are seeing in the photo is the secondary with the (I believe) capacitor on top.

If any of this is unclear, please ask. It is pretty complicated, not to mention brilliant.

jeanna

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Re: Wild & crazy Caduceus Coil interpretation
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2008, 12:09:49 PM »
Thanks Jeanna :)

How is that capacitor connected? Is it connected to the secondary or to the
caduceus, or to the core even?

I was reading from Beardens old book "energy from the vacuum" the other night
(couldn't sleep and if you've read the book you know it helps ;))
when I came across an interesting passage about bifilar coils.
To quote Bearden (page 229, chapter 6.2):
Quote from: Bearden; EftV
Another possible method of producing modulated internal stress potentials is by
use of a biwound coil with two windings, so that the two currents through two
equal "superposed" coils are equal and opposite. [...] It is the deliberate production
of two equal and opposite force fields, which is, in fact, the creation of a stress potential
and extra stress energy. By varying the magnitude of the Lorentz forces comprising
the stress potential, the stress potential is varied in amplitude. Hence the concomitant
longtitudional EM waves are varied in amplitude. A biwound coil is a variable Lorentz-
regauging coil, a priori.

By oscillating the magnitude of any Lorentz regauging (which in the simplest case is
simultaneously charging both opposing fields equally and oppositely), one can make
longtitudional EM waves. By appropriately modulating both Lorentz regauging components,
one can make longtitudional EM modulations upon those concomitant longtitudional
EM wave carriers.

With some careful tuning and adjustment and a little nonlinear material in the core,
one should be able to have the superposed appositive magnetic fields lock together
(modulate rather than add) and produce a magnetostatic scalar potential
stress signal in and from a nonlinear core material. [...]

[...] If we compare the stress potential oscillation (wave) to a sound wave, the
similarities suggest that the stress potential oscillation can be treated as a
longtitudional EM wave, if the two superposed opposing EM waves "lock together".
Simple addition is insufficient; modulation is necessary. Hence the nonlinearity of
the conductors and core material is of significance.

For instantaneously propagating potentials and pure longtitudional EM waves,
any conceived difference between the two becomes somewhat academic.
The characteristic of interest is the instant appearance of the input energy
at multiple points via a multiply connected space.

To the ordinary observer, use of a quantum potential and multiply connected space
measurably yields a fantastic energy amplifier. One furnishes one joule, and
gets out -say- 1,000 joules in those distant locations altogether.

So what Bearden says is that two exactly equal and opposite fields, if fluctuated
in exact harmony, create longtitudional EM waves (Tesla again!), which "look like"
instant production of potential (charge) in several places, and can be used to amplify
the energy by scalar coupling with the quantum realm...

He doesn't really explain how this energy should be absorbed and used,
but it seems this may simply be possible by just adding a pickup coil in the
stress potential field...

If there are longtitudional EM waves, we can't only make and send them,
but we can also receive them... And since they fall outside of the "normal" EM
wave spectrum and cannot be "seen", any received longtitudional wave
will look like a sudden increase in energy in the system. (This system must
obviously be a scalar receiver, with opposing fields in a coil arrangement
to furnish the initial longtitudional wave coupling and allow the system to
"feel" the modulations in stress potential)
It seems like an interesting approach to look into a scalar receiver much
like the scalar transmitter Jean Naudin built. Just a receiver, no transmitter,
and a form of pickup coil or wire to "capture" the radiant energy.
(Tesla's "radiant energy" was supposed to be longtitudional in form, if I recall
correctly? Hehe Caduceus Tesla radiant energy receiver? ;) ;D)

In that light, the griffin caduceus picture can be interpreted as:
- the griffins are two drive coils. They are oppositely wound around the
"greater core", and fed with current from the same battery terminals.
(current in them is equal, electrical polarity is equal, magnetic fields opposed)
- the snakes are a simple caduceus with the tails connected and the heads
ending in a capacitive ball
- the central rod may still be an iron core
- the swords may represent the "greater core" laminate
The idea is that the griffin coils are wound around everything else, much like
the secondary in the Stubblefield. The griffin coils are fed current, and generate
a so-called "stress potential".  In this "stress potential" field, a suitably wound
coil can receive "stress potential waves"; in this case the caduceus would
"feel" longtitudional EM waves like a normal coil "feels" normal EM waves.
Capacitors can (temporarily) store this potential.

This is just a wild idea and several other variations of interpretation are possible of course.
:)

resonanceman

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Re: Wild & crazy Caduceus Coil interpretation
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2008, 04:35:25 PM »

- the swords may represent the "greater core" laminate



WHat  is a greater core laminate?   




To me   Beardens     modulating  rather  than adding  sounds like  resonance   .

gary

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Re: Wild & crazy Caduceus Coil interpretation
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2008, 05:43:28 PM »
Damn....I have a lot of research to do.....sigh......Stubblefield.....Testatica..... ???

Dont get me wrong, i love it, but my boss is back from out of town so i cant goof off at work here. For a while anyway (not counting today lol)

Thanks yall, for the insights; Koen1, Jenna, and Resonanceman ;)

be back soon!

« Last Edit: April 29, 2008, 08:23:25 PM by PYRODIN123321 »

jeanna

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Re: Wild & crazy Caduceus Coil interpretation
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2008, 07:42:51 PM »

- the swords may represent the "greater core" laminate



WHat  is a greater core laminate?  




To me   Beardens     modulating  rather  than adding  sounds like  resonance   .

gary
@resonanceman-MAYBE SWORDS ON EACH SIDE COULD BE THE PLATES OF A CAPACITOR BUT...... I DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO THAT?

OK.

 BUT, when you study the NS battery you see he specifies an insulator between the primary and the secondary.

So, the swords could be a cross section of the insulator/separator. In NS's case he suggests a spool (and the picture looks like wood).

And the thing that appears to be unrolled with heiroglyps on it could be showing a wrapping around the griffins to indicate that there needs to be protection. NS says mica or celluloid or other protective covering goes outside and around it all.
--
It is in this part of the patent that he indicates that the real and practical power comes as a result of the secondary being inductively 'excited' by the 'ordinary make and break' of the primary wires. IOW- the primary by an ordinary and expected (?) make and break, induces a useable amount of power in the secondary.

Not only that if the primary cell coil is made moist and 2 of the terminals are connected it becomes a self generating electro-magnet.

We know he did it. He went on to use this thing for other inventions etc. Some are working on how to create a make and break externally applied, and I am looking at this as something inherent in the design.

I always thought that Tesla was a time traveler. The more I study this NS patent, the more I think he was also. Yeay for time travel!!  ;D ;D


Thank you everybody.

jeanna


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Re: Wild & crazy Caduceus Coil interpretation
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2008, 11:55:26 PM »



OK.

 BUT, when you study the NS battery you see he specifies an insulator between the primary and the secondary.

So, the swords could be a cross section of the insulator/separator. In NS's case he suggests a spool (and the picture looks like wood).

And the thing that appears to be unrolled with heiroglyps on it could be showing a wrapping around the griffins to indicate that there needs to be protection. NS says mica or celluloid or other protective covering goes outside and around it all.
--
I


Jeanna

What   are your thoughts about   this spaqe between the   main coil and the secondary ?   

How much    space  did  you  leave  on   the coils  you  have secodarys on ?






You may  be right about that    extra  square  thing  being a protective layer .....



gary   


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Re: Wild & crazy Caduceus Coil interpretation
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2008, 04:36:14 AM »

What   are your thoughts about   this spaqe between the   main coil and the secondary ?  

How much    space  did  you  leave  on   the coils  you  have secodarys on ?
gary  


@Gary,

I have made 4 coils with at least some form of secondary.  Only 1 is on a spool. There are details about it that belong at the other thread - Stubblefield (bifilar ) so no details here.

The only one that has actually good results is the broken one. Its secondary is scramble wound right on top of the covering to the primary. I think I need to correct the proportions.

Really, the only reason I mentioned it as a cross section of the spool is that it is this separate device in the patent. I wouldn't have thought it needed to be separate. Then when you were talking about the swords, I remembered the spool.

It seems too far away.

Also, swords are metal; not usually wood.  ;)

I wonder if the Stubblefield battery would work well with a metal separator between the primary and secondary?

It is REALLY hard to make the windings so precise that you can slip a tube over it and have it be close to the secondary. It is probably worth a try. It would add mass to the secondary which could help.

@Koen,
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How is that capacitor connected? Is it connected to the secondary or to the
caduceus, or to the core even?

I don't know. I think like the Van de Graf these terminals might be cats whiskers. but that is my guess.

The voltage drops like lead when you touch one of the terminals to the core, but it will take many more tests to even know how much and which terminal etc.

There is no mention of a capacitor in the patent. But those golbes with wires coming out of them etc, really could be that. but again it is MY guess and not in the patent.

I ordered the book today. I hope there is more information there.

thank you,

jeanna

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Re: Wild & crazy Caduceus Coil interpretation
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2008, 05:52:24 AM »
Damn....I have a lot of research to do.....sigh......Stubblefield.....Testatica..... ???

Dont get me wrong, i love it, but my boss is back from out of town so i cant goof off at work here. For a while anyway (not counting today lol)

Thanks yall, for the insights; Koen1, Jenna, and Resonanceman ;)

be back soon!



Pyrodin

I hope   you  enjoy   your  reasearch .......

when I first got here I  spent weeks reading .


Just a word to the  wise .......  in case you are  spending  alot of time at work reading this site .
MOST employers  now  log  EVERTHING  ......... It is their  internet connection ......

they   have to be  able to  find the person to blame  if it is miss used .


gary