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Author Topic: MAGNACOASTER MAKES THE DRAGONS DEN!!  (Read 98113 times)

Goat

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Re: MAGNACOASTER MAKES THE DRAGONS DEN!!
« Reply #75 on: December 18, 2008, 05:50:42 AM »
@ TinselKoala @ Albert Johnson has posted relevant information with names of people who are doing tests on the device. Have you had a chance to look at this information yet?

Quote from: Albert Johnson on December 17, 2008, 09:19:05 PM
Interesting article:

http://www.financialpost.com/small_business/story.html?id=1076840

Maybe they will thoroughly investigate this device and prove it true or false.

Regards,
Paul 

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Goat

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Re: MAGNACOASTER MAKES THE DRAGONS DEN!!
« Reply #76 on: December 18, 2008, 05:59:06 AM »
Reminder...The deal in the television show with Brett was "IF" the technology proves to be viable in generating power to the grid then Richard gets the deal.

Who is paying for the tests? 
Who are the people performing the tests?
Can the results be trusted?
Will we see more power out than in?

These questions need to be answered before Richard see's "Dime One" of Brett's investment.

I'm just waiting for the answer, is it True or False  ???

Regards,
Paul
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TinselKoala

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Re: MAGNACOASTER MAKES THE DRAGONS DEN!!
« Reply #77 on: December 18, 2008, 06:14:53 AM »
Quote from: Goat on December 18, 2008, 05:50:42 AM
@ TinselKoala @ Albert Johnson has posted relevant information with names of people who are doing tests on the device. Have you had a chance to look at this information yet?

Maybe they will thoroughly investigate this device and prove it true or false.

Regards,
Paul 



I look now, I see a lot of names like Tesla, Willis, Faraday, etc. but the only thing I see relevant to the testing issue is this:

"However, Mr. Wilson has had difficulty matching schedules with Mr. Willis and a few University of Saskatchewan PhD students who will help test the energy multiplier. As a result, there is no deal yet. And there won't be, Mr. Wilson says, until he's satisfied the device works."

So I just have to wonder, why not go back to U. of Waterloo? It's in the same province, practically local, and Saskatchewan is kind of a long way away...
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Goat

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Re: MAGNACOASTER MAKES THE DRAGONS DEN!!
« Reply #78 on: December 18, 2008, 06:32:18 AM »
@TinselKoala

"a few University of Saskatchewan PhD students who will help test the energy multiplier."

That should be all we need, whether the results come from an Ontario or Saskatchewan University all that matters is "Dime One" from the investor if it proves to be correct.

I'm still waiting for the answer, no disregard to believers or non-believers alike.

Regards,
Paul
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TinselKoala

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Re: MAGNACOASTER MAKES THE DRAGONS DEN!!
« Reply #79 on: December 18, 2008, 06:42:39 AM »
Sure, mee too.
I'd say more but I'm not allowed.
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Goat

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Re: MAGNACOASTER MAKES THE DRAGONS DEN!!
« Reply #80 on: December 18, 2008, 09:01:29 AM »
@TinselKoala

"I'd say more but I'm not allowed"

Please let us know when you do find out how this device works, when you're allowed.

Regards,
Paul
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Ergo

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Re: MAGNACOASTER MAKES THE DRAGONS DEN!!
« Reply #81 on: December 18, 2008, 10:59:01 AM »
Quote from: wattsup on December 17, 2008, 09:20:42 PM
@Ergo
Thanks - here is a correction to your calculation.
50,000 watts divided by 18 watts = 2777.77777% OU (OK his 2600 OU is conservative - yahooo). lol

Sorry, but I'm right and your are wrong. And so is Magnacoaster.....LOL
You have to multiply your number by 100 to get the percentage.
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MrMag

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Re: MAGNACOASTER MAKES THE DRAGONS DEN!!
« Reply #82 on: December 18, 2008, 03:26:19 PM »
I don't think a university will be testing this unit. If Bret Wilson has shares of a power company, I am sure he already has some people lined up to test it. We will just have to wait and see. I hope it's true but..........
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broli

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Re: MAGNACOASTER MAKES THE DRAGONS DEN!!
« Reply #83 on: December 18, 2008, 04:32:50 PM »
Stefan I have to say that the skeptics really are ruining your forum. It has become less about "how certain thing can work" and more about "how things never will work".

At energetic at least rickoff provided some useful information that might pretty much explain the tech behind it.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3382-unexpected-magnacoaster.html#post38707
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Ergo

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Re: MAGNACOASTER MAKES THE DRAGONS DEN!!
« Reply #84 on: December 18, 2008, 04:49:24 PM »
Of course the sceptics will thrive when Richard shouts 2600% overunity from a very unlikely device that
suddenly shifts apperance from a motor-generator based design into a static non-moving device....!!!!!??
It's just like saying that I have a magnetic wankel motor (sprain device) that delivers 5000W output and then
a month after that I anounce having redesigned the rotary wankel into solid state mode without any explanation
whatsoever on how that was performed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! R&D just doesn't work like that in real life.
When Richard was going to explain any of the technical questions he was babbling his own imaginary
compositions that was missing all logic or continuum. Nothing he ever said made any sense at all.

[Admin: The last sentence was deleted, as we don´t know yet the accuracy of this  statement]
« Last Edit: December 18, 2008, 10:36:18 PM by Ergo »
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Goat

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Re: MAGNACOASTER MAKES THE DRAGONS DEN!!
« Reply #85 on: December 18, 2008, 05:40:16 PM »
Quote from: broli on December 18, 2008, 04:32:50 PM
Stefan I have to say that the skeptics really are ruining your forum. It has become less about "how certain thing can work" and more about "how things never will work".

At energetic at least rickoff provided some useful information that might pretty much explain the tech behind it.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3382-unexpected-magnacoaster.html#post38707

@Broli

I agree about the skeptics statement and also your statement that "rickoff provided some useful information that might pretty much explain the tech behind it".

But I think that boguslaw at energeticforum actually makes the more relevant post of "how certain thing can work" by making a comparison to  the Hilden-Brand electro magnetic valve with a link to http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Hilden-Brand_Electromagnet_Motor . 

I find his comparison very relevant to Richard's device, perhaps by using a method similar to the Hilden-Brand electro magnetic valve to switch the neo magnet's flux on and off to induce a current in the coils there is a method that would seem logical don't you think?

Regards,
Paul

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broli

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Re: MAGNACOASTER MAKES THE DRAGONS DEN!!
« Reply #86 on: December 18, 2008, 05:50:15 PM »
Also using a solid state method is very possible. Look at the MEG for instance. All you have to do is have an active imagination to come up with a smart way to redirect the flux paths.
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TinselKoala

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Re: MAGNACOASTER MAKES THE DRAGONS DEN!!
« Reply #87 on: December 18, 2008, 08:58:53 PM »
Yes, we Evil Skeptics sure ruin everything, don't we. But it's sooo easy when we are given all this ammunition:

"Vorktex Home Unit 12 KW             $ 15,000.00 USD

looking for the latest in home power units this is the first from Magnacoaster. The 12 KW offgrid unit will allow you to have power 24 hours a day without the hydro company and all the charges thet tend to add on your bill every month. this unit needs to be hooked into the fuse box and we recomend a electrician to do this as power can kill. Comes with 14 KW Vorktex head and the new Aims 12 KW inverter. 

Looking to place a order ?
We plan to cut out the middle man we have gone with online sales only.
We accept  Bank Wire, Western Union and Cash only.
50 % down with order and the balance is due before unit is shippped. "

AND

"We offer a 30 day money back guarantee from date of purchase.
The unit must be deemed in good working order by our staff before the return will be processed.
Any unit that was damaged from improper installation will not be accepted as a return unless there has been a repair made on the unit to replace any and all parts that may be damaged. Buyer to pay any and all shipping and or duty charges back to our plant of any unit in need of repair.  "

From the Vorktex website.

So, if you want to return a defective unit, it must be deemed in good working order by Richard's staff before you can return it. So, if it didn't work when you got it, you have to fix it and make it work before you can return it.

I wonder how many units he's sold under these conditions, and where they are located.

Wait--the answer is coming to me---I think I've got it....

--ZERO--.
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DreamThinkBuild

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Re: MAGNACOASTER MAKES THE DRAGONS DEN!!
« Reply #88 on: December 19, 2008, 01:09:03 AM »
Broli, on the energetic forum when Richard states he is bending the lines of flux then the idea of bounce makes sense if the flux lines bounce back. It made me think of this device http://www.google.com/patents?id=_jCYAAAAEBAJ which has a similar concept.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Magnetic_Power_Inc
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Re: MAGNACOASTER MAKES THE DRAGONS DEN!!
« Reply #89 on: December 19, 2008, 07:10:08 AM »
To bend flux lines you need an electromagnet.
No electromagnet exist or can be made in such a way to bend any permanent magnet
fluxlines without spending more energy than what is gained.
I have designed and tested several configurations. But it all comes down to amp-turns.
And copper wire have to high losses to even come close to any high efficiency levels
when creating flux from high amp-turns. To match the flux lines from a neodymium magnet
you need to make the electromagnet suerconducting. And this takes even more energy.
The flux from a N35 neo is comparable to an EM winded and run at 11000 amp-turns/cm.
The best possible electromagnet you can make and run aircooled only reaches 1000 amp-turns.
Using watercooling it's possible to reach 3000 amps-turns/cm but it will take approx 700 watts
to reach 3000 amps-turns due to the resistive losses. And this is still far away from the
neodymium flux field strenght at 11000 AT/cm. Forcing an EM to 11000 AT/cm takes 10000W.
Bending flux lines must be something he just made up and threw to the information hungry crowd.

« Last Edit: December 19, 2008, 09:05:40 AM by Honk »
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