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MarkE

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6450 on: November 17, 2014, 01:59:49 AM »
once again  i want to share this to everyone. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaHDCcUcmc0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKpmdgeF_ho
The first is an expression of common motivational speeches.  The Reader's Digest version is: "Look where you want to go."

Marsing

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6451 on: November 17, 2014, 02:27:25 AM »
..   ;)

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6452 on: November 17, 2014, 11:19:36 AM »
The topic is ENERGY AMPLIFICATION  :)     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thFuT4FaLdk
This is power amplification ?

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Hi Nelson,

Your question cannot be answered from your video. To give an answer, you would need to check the input current taken from your 11V battery when the motor runs from the output of your setup. And then compare the average Vdc*Idc input power to the output current times the output voltage running the motor. This would also involve measuring the output voltage across the motor and the output current the motor draws.

IF you do not have 2 voltage meters and 2 current meters (all DC) then use the single meter, moving it in steps, first to check the input current taken by your running circuit from the battery (when the output runs the motor of course), second to check the output current that runs the motor and third to check the DC output voltage across the running motor.

This way you can learn about a much better reality on the power levels involved. I assume there is some filtering at your output like a puffer capacitor from which your DC motor runs, so that your digital Ampermeter may measure as close values to the truth as the cleanness of the DC output current lets it. Perhaps a choke coil would help further clean the DC output if you run the motor through a choke coil and also use a puffer  capacitor directly parallel with the motor, after the series choke.
Saying this otherwise: use an LC low pass filter to check the true DC power taken by the motor from your circuit output. OF course the use of such LC low pass filter at the input of the circuit can help clean the measurement of the input current too.  Obviously, the currents can be checked by your new scope too: just insert an 1 Ohm (or 0.1 Ohm etc) current shunt resistor in series with the input batterry wire and measure the voltage drop across it with your scope (scope should have DC input coupling).
 
I mention all this because it is very 'spectacular' you compare the motor run first from 11V battery, then you run it from your circuit, the higher RPM from the output sounds very convincing indeed. However the label on your motor says it is a 30V DC motor if I understand it correctly, so trying to run a 30V motor from 11V can only result in a low RPM working.

Looking forward to your further video(s) as you mention, keep up the good work.

Greetings,
Gyula

Bob Smith

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6453 on: November 18, 2014, 12:28:09 AM »
The topic is ENERGY AMPLIFICATION  :)     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thFuT4FaLdk
This is power amplification ?
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Alejandro
Very cool!  I see a relay wired in reverse to self-oscillate and the stator of an AC induction motor, like you might find in a cheap coffee grinder, some caps of varying sizes, some rectifiers and diode; and of course, the characteristic green spark of RE. 
That's what it's all about, no?  Using stuff we can find lying around and doing extraordinary things with it.  I would love to see more details.
Felicidades, irmao! :)
Bob

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6454 on: November 18, 2014, 01:34:19 AM »
Alejandro
Very cool!  I see a relay wired in reverse to self-oscillate and the stator of an AC induction motor, like you might find in a cheap coffee grinder, some caps of varying sizes, some rectifiers and diode; and of course, the characteristic green spark of RE. 
That's what it's all about, no?  Using stuff we can find lying around and doing extraordinary things with it.  I would love to see more details.
Felicidades, irmao! :)
Bob

Hi Bob i'm not Alejandro :) I'm Nelson i think you are mistake about person but no problem :)
About the circuit is not  so simple as you describe , the problem is that circuit is make with scrap and people do not pay enough attention to some details.
The flare is not green because the relay contacts or cooper oxidation:) i can show a video where this color can be violet (BEMF generated in the coil of relay) or green when i combine with the BEMF generated by the stator coil and stored in the one of the caps . The result as you can see give a amplification in the output , and i show with the motor run with and without circuit  .
 
 
Thanks for your message  Bob

nelsonrochaa

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6455 on: November 18, 2014, 01:56:19 AM »
Hi Nelson,

Your question cannot be answered from your video. To give an answer, you would need to check the input current taken from your 11V battery when the motor runs from the output of your setup. And then compare the average Vdc*Idc input power to the output current times the output voltage running the motor. This would also involve measuring the output voltage across the motor and the output current the motor draws.

IF you do not have 2 voltage meters and 2 current meters (all DC) then use the single meter, moving it in steps, first to check the input current taken by your running circuit from the battery (when the output runs the motor of course), second to check the output current that runs the motor and third to check the DC output voltage across the running motor.



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This way you can learn about a much better reality on the power levels involved. I assume there is some filtering at your output like a puffer capacitor from which your DC motor runs, so that your digital Ampermeter may measure as close values to the truth as the cleanness of the DC output current lets it. Perhaps a choke coil would help further clean the DC output if you run the motor through a choke coil and also use a puffer  capacitor directly parallel with the motor, after the series choke.
Saying this otherwise: use an LC low pass filter to check the true DC power taken by the motor from your circuit output. OF course the use of such LC low pass filter at the input of the circuit can help clean the measurement of the input current too.  Obviously, the currents can be checked by your new scope too: just insert an 1 Ohm (or 0.1 Ohm etc) current shunt resistor in series with the input batterry wire and measure the voltage drop across it with your scope (scope should have DC input coupling).
 
I mention all this because it is very 'spectacular' you compare the motor run first from 11V battery, then you run it from your circuit, the higher RPM from the output sounds very convincing indeed. However the label on your motor says it is a 30V DC motor if I understand it correctly, so trying to run a 30V motor from 11V can only result in a low RPM working.

Looking forward to your further video(s) as you mention, keep up the good work.

Greetings,
Gyula

Hi gyulasun  thanks for the suggestions to the probes :)  i will try make the test in oscilloscope with resistor to measure the voltage drop but my resources are very low .
In this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_qUlwSZl0  i use a 12v motor  in the test so is more easy to compare.
And in this i use a lamp in the probe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9daYU4JBMu4 and in this you can see the voltage drop in battery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7EkHm08Te4
Now think with me :
When a put the motor direct in the battery the battery not supply the circuit ok ? So when a connect the motor in the output of the circuit , you have 2 loads:
the circuit and the motor  :) but you can see that motor will improve their rpm . The improve in rpm is not possible without combine the BEMF with the current stored in the caps.The power that provide high rpm to the motor is not result of the power stored in battery but by this effect that show green flare.;   
It's so simple test to do that anyone is the work of testing.
Thanks for you help and your comment

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6456 on: November 18, 2014, 02:17:36 AM »
One more thing :
I never say that circuits are overunity or other thing like that.
I show with rude examples that efficiency off the common circuits are much to improve
I respect the opinion of everybody  and i learn everyday with lots of people and opinions but I am sure that even 20% of this forum ever have been at work to read the notes from the tesla notes of Colorado Springs . And how are they going to understand certain details?
For the people is convenient the eldorado machine with overunity and things like that , but forget to improve what we have now.
people that have doubts test ! the materials are not expensive !
I want to see people before showing skepticism test!It's too silly for testing?
If have people interested in a diagram to test i can provide . just send me a email to nelsonrochaa@gmail.com
 
 

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6457 on: November 18, 2014, 03:05:31 AM »
Nelson,
Thanks for the reply. Sorry - I was listening to someone named Alejandro before I replied, and his name was stuck in my head. 
I experimented quite a bit with reverse-wired relays a few years back.  I find the radiant arcing is hard on them, but they produce interesting results. I look forward to seeing more.
In my view, this is the kind of thing we need more of - using scrap parts in new (but very old :) ways.
Bob

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6458 on: November 18, 2014, 02:04:14 PM »
We'v all seen the Tesla transmitter but have you thought about how the primary effects the secondary.

Dave45

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6459 on: November 18, 2014, 03:05:24 PM »
Magnetic field expels electron.
This is how motors work and generators work.
Tesla was using this principle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUCtCYty-ns

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6460 on: November 18, 2014, 03:16:27 PM »
Dave, the MIT demonstration is of the Lorentz force.  No electrons were expelled or otherwise harmed in that experiment.  The Lorentz force is indeed the basis of electrodynamic machines.  Which on a little side note is why those who chase BEMF free machines are chasing torque-less machines.

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« Reply #6461 on: November 19, 2014, 01:04:53 PM »
Dave, the MIT demonstration is of the Lorentz force.  No electrons were expelled or otherwise harmed in that experiment.  The Lorentz force is indeed the basis of electrodynamic machines.  Which on a little side note is why those who chase BEMF free machines are chasing torque-less machines.
Lol
If no electrons are moving through the wire the magnet has no effect but if electrons are flowing in the wire the magnetic field expells the wire.
Actually the wire is pushed out of the magnetic field and over the top and pulled towards the bloch wall, try it with a lower voltage.

We use electrons to collect current but our battery is our only electron source, we have to pull electrons from another source or accelerate the electrons we have.

The buck converter shows us that current is independent of the battery, electron flow creates current flow.
This brings up the question does current flow in the wire or outside the wire,

Another interest the electron is negative but the corresponding current is pos. 

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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #6462 on: November 20, 2014, 07:11:18 AM »
Lol
If no electrons are moving through the wire the magnet has no effect but if electrons are flowing in the wire the magnetic field expells the wire.
Actually the wire is pushed out of the magnetic field and over the top and pulled towards the bloch wall, try it with a lower voltage.

We use electrons to collect current but our battery is our only electron source, we have to pull electrons from another source or accelerate the electrons we have.

The buck converter shows us that current is independent of the battery, electron flow creates current flow.
This brings up the question does current flow in the wire or outside the wire,

Another interest the electron is negative but the corresponding current is pos.
Dave a moving charge flux has an associated magnetic field.   Electrons are but one type of charged particle.  Electrical current is not an effect of electron or other charged particle movement.  Current is a term that we use to describe that movement.

A buck converter is in no way independent of the battery that sources it.  If you run an ideal buck converter at 50% duty cycle then whatever the load impedance is then the source sees four times that impedance.  If you run the converter at 10% duty cycle, the source sees one hundred times the load impedance.  If you run the converter at 90% duty cycle the source sees only 1.23 times the load impedance.

DC current flows through wires.

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« Reply #6463 on: November 21, 2014, 02:08:05 PM »
Just thinking about the configuration of mag and elec fields.

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« Reply #6464 on: November 22, 2014, 09:43:54 AM »
If you turn the transistor on and off quickly, it will do a spiffy job of destroying the transistor.