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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11250 on: March 25, 2012, 06:44:48 PM »

Dear Wattsup ,
Please find , that the pin numbers on TBC110ЛА starts from 2 after 1 then 3 and so on ....
The winding exsist between pin6 and pin 7 . I think aproxsimately 140-150 turns . ( Voltage 2.36 V on pin7,
then 10V sinus signal was applyed to pins 5-9 . By documents transformation rate 0.232 +- 5% .
I have added photos of TBC110ЛА . New . Never used . :D
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Hi Osiakosia, pls, can you measure the inductance of windings? and post it.  I am unable to find it

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11251 on: March 25, 2012, 08:23:47 PM »
Hi Roberto,
Trying to estimate the pump input energy your circuit needs,  let’s say your average voltage input (waveform D) is around 6V (12Vpp) and let’s say your average input current (waveform G) is around 1.5 - 2mA (8mApp) so to maintain the loaded oscillations in L1-L2 tanks you need about  9-10mW input power  (rough and rigorous estimation of course).  This is what roughly the xtal oscillator as its output power  should produce instead of the Wavetek gen and the xtal oscillator is to be fed from the tank circuit of course.  It was a very good idea to use xtal oscillator to get rid of the supply voltage dependent frequency stability of  CMOS RC oscillators and reduce the self-consumption of the oscillator itself. Here I would refer to an also micropower xtal oscillator with bipolar transistor, maybe its idle current consumption is lower than that of the FET oscillator, this way convertion efficiency may improve, see this link:  http://discovercircuits.com/DJ-Circuits/gatextl.htm   (the Gate Control Function with the CMOS buffer may be omitted of course and supply voltage can be towards the 5-10V range what the rectifier diodes give, instead of the suggested 3V.)
I understand the definite need for the 50% duty cycle the pump oscillator should produce, sorry for my suggestion on lower duty cycle, my thought was to reduce the ON time for the CMOS RC oscillator, to reduce its power consumption.
Regarding the 5cm OD coils, it is ok but perhaps the coupling coil L3 could be made on a separate card board support of an OD=5.1cm and you could adjust the coupling of L3 to L1 by sliding L3 over L1, maybe a more optimal position could be found, meaning less load on the tank.  This variable coupling could not be made in case of ferrite pot cores, the solution in that case is to use a multitap coupling coil. 
The forward voltage loss of the diode bridge can be reduced not only by 4 Ge diodes but by using a full wave voltage doubler which needs only two diodes instead of 4, and if these two diodes are Ge types, you may gain (for free) about 1.2 to 1.3V in voltage across the 200uF puffer cap versus the 4 diode bridge. (OF course the voltage doubler in itself is not a power multiplier.)  See this link which doubler I mean: http://www.play-hookey.com/ac_theory/ps_v_multipliers.html
It would be interesting to learn whether you changed the negative bias voltage up and down from its 10V value as shown or you found it as optimum at 10V for the varicap diodes?  (This 10V source was loaded by the reverse current of the varicap diodes, meaning only a maximum of some 100 nanoAmper load all the time.)  Also I would be curious on the DC resistance of L1 and L2 coils.

 Your kind and detailed report on this circuit, perhaps combined with my humble suggestions, could inspire some further interest towards achieving a selfrunner at some mW power level. One would ask what usefulness has a mW power circuit? and the answer is: enormous if it selfruns...   ;)
rgds,  Gyula

 
OK folk,
I'll cut it short as the following rumblings are completely outside this thread's target, just allow us to complete only a preliminary check as the matter's OU implications are to be considered worth of interest.
Hi Gyula,
I've seen that in order to maintain the down-conversion mode in tank circuit the power needed could be less than you have assumed. In fact the waveform in TestPoint G due to the small on-screen view is not good. For your use I report here a much detailed waveform that I captured using a wide-band I probe on the pump oscillator return wire. In the upper trace you can appreciate the down-converted 0.5MHz wave (pump = 1MHz) and the corresponding current pulse delivered by the pump oscillator itself. The +/- spikes have 100mv amplitude and the pulse width is only 20nsec: the required equivalent power is very, very low (The current pulses themselves pass capacitively only trough the back-biased varactor's capacity). You have also to add the power delivered by the back bias circuit...that in any case is in the nA range (yes, back bias is a very nice method to change the varactor's operating mode: easy to change from: down conversion to up conversion...I did  both). The bad side is that even if pump (you see it) should be almost decoupled from the real output captured by the link, nonetheless I noted an increase in pump current when really driving a final 100Ohm resistor load in open-loop condition...(I do not remember now the increased range...I should consult my hand written work-notes).
In my case the tank has L= 2.3mH and his resistance is 2.3 Ohm. The 1/2F0 resonance coil reactance XL =2pifl=2*3.14*500000*0.0023 =7222Ohm hence, considering a possible useful 100Ohm load, we have Q= XL/R=7222/102.3=70 that is not bad.
I agree with you about Ge diodes consideration...at the time I considered it but not tested it. As you may imagine I did an extensive study and actually tested many different kind of micro power oscillator: best solution has been with fet (2n7000) XTAL solution...much better than CD4007 always with XTAL connection.
I tried in every way the selfrunner but for a reason or another did not reached it. I am interested in case of  new ideas to restart that experimentation.
Thanks for your help.
ronotte


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11252 on: March 26, 2012, 07:20:01 PM »
Hi Roberto,

Thanks again for the finer details on your tests.  Yes I felt my 10mW input power figures sounded too high but the current waveform scope shot let it figure that way.  Now your latest input current scope shot surely suggests an order or even less input power necessity, probably less than a mW.
It is interesting the output load still reflects back on the pump input, maybe higher than 1:2 ratio in the down freq--pump freq this reflection could become less? (I mean your mentioning the pump current increase when the 100 Ohm load is connected vs the unloaded case.)
IF you are interested in even newer ideas for improvement, I suggest pondering on using a current transformer instead of the 50 turn coupling coil, let's suppose a few turns of the current transformer would be inserted into the tank circuit in series, just cut the wire at the upper end of L1 for instance and insert the few turn long primary coil of the current transformer there and the secondary coil of the CT would feed the two Ge diodes of a full wave voltage doubler.  What do you think? I have not tried this, sorry but such CT output power coupling method is not 'unknown' in a thread like this on Kapanadze... ;) certainly not off topic.  :D

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11253 on: March 27, 2012, 11:35:22 AM »
Hi Gyula,

the fact I mentioned (oserved increase in pump current when driving 100Ohm load) should have been given much more attention. The observed increase if I remember well about 20-30% so not so big. It's the fact in itself that sounds weird as the mechanism ...how to say...is at least too  'far' to be explained only in terms of reflected loss. Of course the breadboard's prone to many problems hence it could also have been stray cap coupling...In the next try I should consider to build a better designed layout possibly getting rid of the breadboard and building it directly 'in air on Cu plane' and very near the 2 tank coils: a RF approach.

I'm sorry I did not tough about a CT solution to pickup the output power: it would have been interesting even if for the comparison to standard methodology.

Here come the bad news, for the moment I'm to much committed to Kapanadze like devices so not much free time slots to give another try to this particular circuit. There is also another consideration to do: the varactor diodes are delivered in a microscopic package: it is very, very difficult to solder them without a stereo binocular microscope and a micro iron-solder stick and ancillaries tools (micro pliers,...). I remember to have had lot of problems...When proper time I'll keep you informed. It goes without saying that that you may contact me whenever you want.

Thank you for your time

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11254 on: March 28, 2012, 04:31:53 PM »
Hi Roberto,
 
 Ok, I understand and thanks for the further comments.  Unfortunately,  nowadays the old types of varicap / varactor diodes with TO92 casing like BB112, and with SIP5 casing like BB113 or BB313 etc from ex-Siemens are rather rare, although still available,  and I know what it is like to handle SMD or similar microscopic packages: cumbersome to say the least...
 Thanks for you kind offer on contacting you, I will review my resources and possibilities to attempt a replication when my time permits and will send you a message.
 
 Greetings,  Gyula
 

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11255 on: March 29, 2012, 07:43:10 PM »
Hi Osiakosia, pls, can you measure the inductance of windings? and post it.  I am unable to find it
Dear IWD ,
Excuse me for delayed answer . Only today I bought new LCR meter for inductance measurements .
Mastech MS5300 . So please find details for TBC110 LA .
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11256 on: March 30, 2012, 08:50:51 AM »
Just finished making a pcb layout for quality 50Hz or 60Hz modified sinewave AC generator for inverter
it is based on one PIC programmable memory chip...

i attach images and PDF of PCB layout – who want's can make it!
Two things:

1.) you need to programm PIC with pic programmer
2.) Center taped transformer 10v - 0 - 10v output 220v or 110v

/ just forgot, i not label the mosfets STP55NF06L These are special logic power mosfets that require just 5v to switch on fully.
They also have a very low   0.014Ω Source to Drain resistance when on, which means they can switch high currents without wasting power as heat!/



A. This is PCB for etching: http://failiem.lv/down.php?i=mwqeoom&n=Inverter_PCB.pdf
B. HEX code for 50Hz and HEX for 60Hz: http://failiem.lv/down.php?i=hpnulzg&n=50-60_Hz_HEX.zip

hi,
yesterday i have make your inverter and work perfect :)
i wonder if you help me to modify your project to work with toroidal mini transformer (that have 28 khz - 38 khz / not 50 hz)
what i want to do:
-i have an inverter with sg 3525 and irf 540 with toroidal transformer tha give me at out: 220v/28 khz.
-i want to use your pic and hex with an ir 2110 driver to drive irf 840 and achieve the 220v / 50hz at out. It will be possible that? I need help because i don-t know how to work with ir 2110 and other.

Can you help me please?

thanks

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11257 on: March 31, 2012, 09:18:08 PM »

Hi!

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« Reply #11258 on: April 01, 2012, 06:43:52 AM »
Perhaps this effect is used Tariel in its  disk generator?
Ball bearing motor-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHZbHMFWS2k&feature=endscreen

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11260 on: April 01, 2012, 12:37:07 PM »
Hello everone,
It's been a while since I've been here. I have been working on other non-OU projects.

I like what Sergey was talking about.

@Сергей В.,
Прости меня, Сергей, я не владеющих русским языком. Я должен использовать Google Translate.

Я правильно думать, что лучистая энергия это что-то вроде свободного атмосферного электричества, так как в этой статье?
  ___ Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_electricity ___
"Атмосферные среды, в которой мы окружены, содержит не только в сочетании электроэнергии, как и любой другой вид материи, но и большое количество в свободном и uncombined государства"
"Никола Тесла и Герман Плаусон исследовали производства энергии и мощности через атмосферного электричества. Тесла предложил использовать атмосферное электрической цепи для передачи энергии беспроводным на большие расстояния (см. его Wardenclyffe башни и увеличительное передатчик)".

Вы говорите: "Лучистая энергия так же, как электрическая энергия, но в результате движения продольной волны в проводнике". Лучистая энергия затем будет электричество, которое находится выше и вне электричество, которое содержится в решетке проводника. Чтобы еще раз сказать, все электроны проводника содержатся в решетке и дирижер является нейтральным. Лучистая энергия свободных электронов, сидя на верхней части уже заполнены решетки. Это похоже на статическое электричество на кожу, вы никогда не заметите, что она есть, пока не достигнет более чем 10000 вольт и искры прыжков.

Можете ли вы сказать, что продольные волны электроэнергии в верхней части решетки и, что регулярное электроэнергии электроэнергии в решетке? Если электричество проходит через решетку он попадает в орбиту атомов и взаимодействует с ними производить тепло, как она движется. Бесплатное электричество не может войти в орбитах атома, потому что снаряды уже заполнены. Он не будет производить тепло, как за решеткой и не передает энергию ядра.

Короче говоря, это выглядит как механизм получения лучистой энергии может увеличить мощность источника десятки тысяч раз.

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« Reply #11261 on: April 01, 2012, 02:45:08 PM »
If free energy can be took directly from air ions then we would do that long time ago. Power require amperage and voltage we have to find the way to use our voltage to draw ambient ions and then we could have energy. It is a problem like the first one when people tried to store electricity for further use and somebody discovered Leyden jar....


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11262 on: April 01, 2012, 09:45:02 PM »
Hi!
Hi!!

That will never work! ...for starters take a look at the bridge rectifiers ouput polarities, and where is Q1 getting it's collector supply from???

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« Reply #11263 on: April 02, 2012, 02:13:29 AM »
Power must come from somewhere. I can't describe something that I don't know, if I tried I would be telling lies. "Just the facts, ma'am."

So, it looks like we are going to need A LOT of volts to attract any noticeable amount of free electrons. We do know that the quickly collapsing field of a coil produces a large voltage (back EMF). Is there any way we could extend the time that the back EMF is present?

In the tuned circuit the current flow through the inductor exactly matches the capacity of the capacitor. Is there any way that we can some how temporarily fool the inductor to demand more current for just a fraction of the cycle, but in every cycle? We want the inductor to behave normally most of the time to resonate and build up potential.

The schematic bellow was posted by forest on December 20, 2010, in this topic. Does this circuit not try to fool the inductor, in the tuned circuit part, into behaving differently when the spark gap is breached and the HV former finally becomes active? I like the circuit!




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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11264 on: April 02, 2012, 02:46:30 AM »
 Ok I'm gonna say this in a simple way as I can!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh1ben0PE3k


 Give the story a chance.


 Start looking at Tesla's one wire system! It is the answer we all seek!


 If you want to pull energy into your system, you must have an in and out! Toi harness energy in our system we must interact with the environment. We must create a stream then harness or focus it to cause a flow into our one wire system. This must have a pair of antennas. Both equal mass but different in surface area or even matched surface. I am gonna start working on the one wire aspect Tesla reported during his experiments. I'll get the link up when I find it to the article about it.

 Try to read the whole thing before commenting. He shows all the aspects fully.

http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm

 Figure 17 is the true one wire system. Tesla never got tons out of it because he didn't apply figure 8. Well he did but it was in his Pierce arrow experiment. What do you think he used the battery for? Since it is one wire it uses no current once it is kicked off. The transformer is the key in figure 3. And he used tubes to switch the special caps he used. Oil filled coil and oil filled adjustable caps.

 Now thinking about the Magamps I mentioned before to replace the tubes and we got a really interesting very durable project.

 From the reports of the pierce arrow experiment We know there was a very long antenna on the back of the vehicle and two small soft steel rods, ones that he inserted into the oil bath box he brought with him. I assume they were connected to the twelve or so tubes he had inserted to the box. The one wire would have been from the special wiring he had changed in the 80 hp ac induction motor he has Westinghouse made for him. I'm betting the common was hooked to the motor housing. So the one wire would have been to the car body. The reason he had two steel rods was because the motor was 3 wires or his new polyphase method.. One steel rod was for one phase and the second was the other phase. One goes in and the other goes out at the same time.

 The frequency should be from 20k to 5-60k or so pulses a second for real power. Since the higher you go is only beneficial to lighting it seems Tesla figured that for better power you should stay on the lower side of the pulses. These wakes if very low frequency is used can get very powerful and go through just about anything. The lowest frequency was very very powerful and he found he could not block them even with the best dielectrics. Metal stood no chance to block the pulses when they were of a lower frequency. So I am figuring there is a balance there somewhere where you get real power but lower perceived or actual physical effects of the human being. A frequency of 2,000 cycles a second was enough to bring different physical effects in the space being excited. 2k is about where Tesla seemed he could tolerate the effects. By that level he noted that good effects were felt. That the excited field energized everything including him. He felt good and noted that he could go for 3-4 days without sleeping and show no signs of ill effects. He even patented some health machines after he experimented with the fields he caused to vibrate.

 I was looking at his patents and found the bifilar coil is an excellent converter of this field into a one way flow. If used passively Then tended to be able to hold huge capacities, much more then normal coils. And the normal spiral pancake seemed to be the best way to bradcast the exciter field. The huge coils he was photographed showed the importance of the flat Wound coil. With just one turn around a regular pancake coil as the primary seemed to be the best effect. This one turn was of a heavier gauge then the voltage booster(antenna base) pancake coil that it surrounded.

 Tesla was also responsible for designing a passive air cooler that created liquid oxygen that would or could be used to cool the antenna base(pancake coil). This would increase the response of the base coil and lower it's resistance.
 http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-685,012-increasing-electrical-oscillations

 I believe this is the best method here of doing his one wire transfers.

http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-723,188-method-of-signaling

 If you look at the figure 1 diagram you will see how the one wire system works. The two steel rods were connected in the center of the pancake coils. With (S) being the common large antenna...

 If one looks at the pancake coils closely you will see they are wound opposite directions. This allows the energy to flow in one direction only for each coil. Once the unit is running all one needed to do was put taps onto each element of the antenna and you could pull any energy you wanted from the 3 antennas. Remember this was dual phase.

 I also highly believe that where voltages get boosted there needs to be shielding. This is a static shielding and not grounded shielding. This is to inductively shield or contain the field in the wires and device he created. If you let it interact with the environment you sort of loose containment and all control over the field. The only time you want the field to be interacted with is in between the antennas. If you let it out or depressurize the unit it looses all control over the fields.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2012, 02:41:09 PM by jbignes5 »

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