Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze (Read 16600369 times)

armagdn03 · « **Reply #1875 on:** June 09, 2010, 10:44:31 PM »

Quote from: hartiberlin on June 09, 2010, 10:34:21 PM

Hi Guyla,
you are right, the coils have the same B magnet field,
but one has a higher capacitance.

This could effect the Q quality in a resonance circuit and
thus store more resonance energy if you use the coil in an AC resonance system.

Regards, Stefan.

Just by way of information, increasing capacitance does not necessarily equate to higher energy storage in the system, it does however reduce Q.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #1876 on:** June 09, 2010, 10:47:51 PM »

Quote from: romerouk on June 09, 2010, 10:25:46 PM

@xenomorphlabs

CCW - CW - CCW from the left to the right

Do you use the same style like user dragon ?
Do you use also one coil of the 3 coils to set the resonance better ?
How many turn do you use ?

Where exactly do you ground the coils ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #1877 on:** June 09, 2010, 11:07:40 PM »

If you look again at these 2 videos,
it makes sense to have also additionally to the 6 turn
output coil the loop going through the center of the coils,
cause this seems to add additional induction energy to the system.

Have a look again to these 2 videos for reference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH2TWPJiwEA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rPyc_l-TVQ

aether22 · « **Reply #1878 on:** June 09, 2010, 11:32:17 PM »

There was a thread about JLN's successful replication of Kapanadze, but now I can't find it?

?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqorIWlkhWI

This seems like pretty big news to me, JLN seems to have cracked it, and while it sure would be nice if he'd make with circuit diagrams this is still pretty big isn't it?

And as I argued on the other thread before it disappeared on me, the number of lights he was lighting in bright sunlight seem to me too much to be explained away by claiming he is lighting them to only about 1/10th of their rated power.

Ok, found the thread.

romerouk · « **Reply #1879 on:** June 09, 2010, 11:41:05 PM »

@hartiberlin

I am using 260w in the system and output is at least 500w.The bulbs are more than fully powered.After few more attempts I have destroyed 2 of them.I will have to get some more bulbs tommorow and see how many I can connect and still keep full brightness.I tryed to measure voltage across one bulb and it shows 335v-ac but all my meters are digital and I am sure it is not right.I need to get some analogic multimeters to find the amps and volts at the output.Few minutes ago I have started the system using DC to power the system an now I can see that DC is the only way to keep the system running for longer period of time.Using ac the spark gap becomes very hot as with dc it is much better.Also having a capacitor 90.02mf) connected in parallel with the load, keeps the flickering under control. I hope the picture attached will make all understand the basic of it.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #1880 on:** June 09, 2010, 11:50:01 PM »

Many thanks romerouk for the new infos.

Do you have any Ferrite rings below the coils ?

Do you have all 3 coils in series ?

Here is a proposal I just drew up to get more
output power from the center.
Just use more windings in the center and put them in series with the
6 turn output coil.

Here I drew up only 2 windings through the center to not make the picture too
complicated to look at it, but you can also try 5 to 10 Windings through the center.
Maybe this will give you still more power ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

romerouk · « **Reply #1881 on:** June 10, 2010, 12:02:24 AM »

@hartiberlin

The circuit is very similar with the one shown by the user Dragon.I have improoved it a bit now using DC as source but I need to get more bulbs tommorow. All bulbs are gone now

Originally I had 6x100w in parallel and I have destroyed them in the first few seconds then I connected another 5x100w in series.It worked for a longer time but still destroyed them too after few minutes.
I will post the new circuit and upload a new recording when I have better results.
No Ferrite rings used, just air core.
Thank you for your info Stefan.

Regards,
Romerouk

hartiberlin · « **Reply #1882 on:** June 10, 2010, 12:02:52 AM »

User dragon just verified, that the center winding has a good
effect. He wrote:

"The light intensity is brighter with the wire or coil through the center. The ground doesn't seem to make any difference if it's connected to the end or through the center. It will work without the ground but the intensity of the light is lower and consumption goes up to around 10 watts."

So how will this help, when we wind more windings through the center and
add them in series with the output coil as I just proposed in the former posting ?
Will this get us more output power without needing more input power ?

Regards, Stefan.

gyulasun · « **Reply #1883 on:** June 10, 2010, 12:05:51 AM »

Hi flathunter,

I apologize to chime in answering to your question addressed to Bill.
I would like to show you a link where a Joule thief bifilar coil is nicely shown how to make it: http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/joulethief both in pictures and in schematic.

If you watch the schematics, you can see the black dots are shown just like I indicated above in baroutologos drawing what I edited for adding the A, B and C letters and the dots for clarity.
I do not think in the JT circuit the magnetic field cancel (when it is built with bifilar coils because it also works nicely if the coils have different number of turns and wound in a not bifilar way).
The reason the bifilar coils cannot cancel fully the magnetic flux in a JT circuit (even though the currents flow in them in different directions) is that the two currents are not at all equal (the current going into the base electrode is much less (about transistor 1/h_FE times less) than the current in the other coil going via the collector electrode so this lefts plenty of flux.

Here I qoute what member baroutologos wrote to Bill:

"Hello Pirate,

I guess this is the type of winding you are saying.
I think this manifests null inductucance if both parts have same current strength (same resistance, same inductunce)"

This is true I think when the two bifilar coils are connected in series opposing mode, not in series aiding mode, and BOTH currents would have the same amplitude and would enter at point A and (or C) and leave at point C (or A), would not enter in the middle common point B.
Here is a link where this is discussed:
http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/inductor/series-inductors.html and see Differentially Coupled Series Inductors at nearly the bottom of that page.

rgds, Gyula

PS this link http://www.tesla-coil-builder.com/bifilar_electromagnet.htm has nothing to do with Naudin, but Naudin included it in his footnotes as a hint that a bifilar coil has its advantage versus a non bifilar coil of the same number of turns. (see his link http://jnaudin.free.fr/kapagen/ )
IF you study Nikola Tesla Coil for electromagnets patent, then he also described a bifilar coil in series aiding connection BUT he excited this electromagnet with an AC current corresponding to the bifilar coil pair's self-resonant frequency (there is a distributed capacitance between the parallel wires in close proximity to each other, especially if the wires have a flat cross-section ) and this capacitance gives a resonance with the coils resultant inductance. Tesla wrote that at such resonant drive there is no any resistance in the coils against current flow except the series wires DC resistance. No L/R time like in a conventional (electromagnet or any other) coil's case. And we cannot compare this AC resonant operation mode to Naudin's reference of electromagnets run on DC, can we?

hartiberlin · « **Reply #1884 on:** June 10, 2010, 12:06:25 AM »

Quote from: romerouk on June 10, 2010, 12:02:24 AM

@hartiberlin

The circuit is very similar with the one shown by the user Dragon.I have improoved it a bit now using DC as source but I need to get more bulbs tommorow. All bulbs are gone now Originally I had 6x100w in parallel and I have destroyed them in the first few seconds then I connected another 5x100w in A.Worked for a longer time but still destroyed them too after few minutes.
I will post the new circuit and upload a new recording when I have better results.

Okay, I see.

What frequencies are involved at the ouput coil ?
Do you have a scope so you could post a few scope shots ?

By DC you mean you use a high Voltage DC before the spark gap ?

How high is your high voltage DC ? A few KiloVolts ?

Does the first 22 turn coil really help ?
WHat is it for ?
Also to set the resonance right for the 84 turn and the 6 turn winding ?

Many thanks.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #1885 on:** June 10, 2010, 12:13:06 AM »

Hi romerouk,
instead of using bulbs as the load you could also use an old toaster
or a big 1 to 5 Ohm resistor or something like this.

Did you wind the 22 turn coil OVER the 84 turn coil
or did you wind it besides it ?

Is there any ferrite cores inside your coils ?

Many thanks.

romerouk · « **Reply #1886 on:** June 10, 2010, 12:37:21 AM »

@hartiberlin

No ferrite cores inside.
The 22 turn coil is on top of the 84 turn coil.It makes a difference having this coil connected.I have tried with a 1kw heater and worked better but if I leave it on for too long I am sure it will blow it too.The wire in the heater normaly is not as bright as when connected in the circuit here.I will get some 500w bulbs too.I was talking about DC as the source to the system, diode and a capacitor connected to the MT output. I am not sure but I think it is arround 2kv.
I am scared to connect any scope probes as I am not sure what I am dealing with right now.

broli · « **Reply #1887 on:** June 10, 2010, 12:54:22 AM »

Quote from: romerouk on June 10, 2010, 12:37:21 AM

@hartiberlin

No ferrite cores inside.
The 22 turn coil is on top of the 84 turn coil.It makes a difference having this coil connected.I have tried with a 1kw heater and worked better but if I leave it on for too long I am sure it will blow it too.The wire in the heater normaly is not as bright as when connected in the circuit here.I will get some 500w bulbs too.I was talking about DC as the source to the system, diode and a capacitor connected to the MT output. I am not sure but I think it is arround 2kv.
I am scared to connect any scope probes as I am not sure what I am dealing with right now.

I recommend you connect the probe through a high resistor first to have a peak at the values you are dealing with. Also can you make a circuit drawing please.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #1888 on:** June 10, 2010, 12:57:27 AM »

Hi romerouk ,
many thanks for confirming that you have no ferrite in there.

So maybe you can check with the heater, if it would give more
heat, when you would use more windings through the center as
I have just posted the drawing ?

Maybe you can just use a small pickup coil for your scope, so you donÂ´t need to
directly connect your scope.

Are these big currents radio frequency burst, so are they in the Mhz range
or are they lower in frequency ?

Did you calculate the turns of the 22 turn coil or
why did you choose 22 turns ?
Did you also try other winding numbers ?

Did you also try to wind it CW instead of CCW for this 22 turn winding ?

baroutologos · « **Reply #1889 on:** June 10, 2010, 01:05:40 AM »

Quote

Romerouk
Here is my replication for Kapanadze-Kapagen style. No measurements yet as it is impossible to use digital equipment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a675_0onwjg

Interesting at least!
I saw the video and the diagram. You also said they are in line with Dragon's setup.
Can someone make a nice diagram of the coil? I have some difficulty in understanding it.

A Question: (if i may)

You use pure High voltage without any capacitors do you? (directly from MOT)

ps: think a party is brewing

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