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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 10718015 times)

Offline Lance

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11070 on: March 05, 2012, 02:12:19 PM »
@All
 
Regards possible Tariel motor drive config:
 
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11071 on: March 05, 2012, 03:21:33 PM »
@ronotte

Exactly why I wanted you to see it. You need to do alot of translating to read that thread.

Also, remember back in 2007 when we had the 123TPU forum. Before it went offline, I copied almost all the thread files and drawings and have them on my computer. I will ask the guys at overunityresearch.com if they will permit me to put it on my FTP site as most of the @members then are on that forum. There may be some other drawings there from @otto.

@ronotte and @T-1000

I don't know what the heck is going on. I started the following test with my two batteries in series at 24.82vdc at 12AH. I used a new circuit, well an older circuit I used on a previous standard flyback test, but the flybacks just kept blowing so I put that circuit aside for a while. It's the circuit @verpies provided and that I used on the Flyback Chopper. Now using this circuit on this big flyback I have no more problems of battery overload and burning the wires. I ran the system producing a good spark for around 10 minutes until I started to smell something but could not see anything heating up. So I stopped the system and when I moved the flyback from where it was, I see my table top material was burned. So imagine, the heat required to produce this. But my primary is wound on the flyback core that is held up off the table by this sturdy metal bracket. So the heat had to go from the primary to the core to the bracket and only then to the table top. When I stopped the system, my battery showed 12.37vdc. So the battery dropped some .45 vdc and while it produced a rather thick spark gap, it also managed to burn my table top. How is that possible? And even more important, how will I again explain this to my wife? lolololol

What this mishap is showing me is that the OU is really in the flyback. The flyback just happens to produce a high voltage output that needs to be brought down to a usable level but the actual OU must be in the flyback. I am more then convinced this is what TK found out as well and just used his TK coil as both a convenient means of stepping down the voltage and stepping up the amperage to light up his lights plus this again gives him a method of diverting the focal point of attention to the TK coil and not to any other factors. The OU was in his Green Box. Ouch, ready for bad comments indeed.

Given I have tried many many configs of the WNYg coil thus far without any real light up of the bulb, I think most likely because their circuit calls for 240 volts pulsed to the flyback primary (I am using only 24vdc) at a 80% negative off-set and also because their flyback has that second secondary that receives the HV negative, something I cannot recreate on my own at this time, as well as requiring a variable capacitor, I think I will now investigate further this flyback question and see how I can get this flyback to run cool by dissipating as much energy as possible from the flyback HV output.

The point is where did all this heat come from. Why is this energy not being transformed to the HV output. My mosfets were running cool so is it still possible I was overloading the primary without heating up the mosfets. But if the primary was being overloaded, why did the wires not melt on the core instead of burning my damn table. My table is getting more scars then the back of an old whale. I think my next trials will be without the spark gap just to push all the juice to the Caduceus Coil and see how much can be transferred there.

wattsup


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11072 on: March 05, 2012, 03:32:05 PM »
From that picture it looks like a burn from an electrical arc not actual heat.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11073 on: March 05, 2012, 04:05:37 PM »
From that picture it looks like a burn from an electrical arc not actual heat.

No, there was no electric arc. The heat transferred from the flyback bracket to the table top as you can see there are two places where you can see the bracket holes transferred to the table and the table top material has bulged a little upwards caused by extreme heat transfer. The crazy thing is the flyback is still working fine.

wattsup


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11074 on: March 05, 2012, 04:13:53 PM »
@wattsup, T-1000,
quote:
" The point is where did all this heat come from. Why is this energy not being transformed to the HV output. My mosfets were running cool so is it still possible I was overloading the primary without heating up the mosfets. But if the primary was being overloaded, why did the wires not melt on the core instead of burning my damn table. My table is getting more scars then the back of an old whale. I think my next trials will be without the spark gap just to push all the juice to the Caduceus Coil and see how much can be transferred there.
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Hmmm, at least weird. Frankly I do not think any OU coming from any flyback circuits...even if your description left me thinking...rather I suppose that heat is simply a by product of your modified flyback assy, may be freq too high hence not compatible with core OR  ??... anyway I think that you are experiencing a situation of high losses coming probably from ferrite core and propagating to iron clip. The assy does cool quickly...as quickly reach 100 degrees in order to burn your table.
It is for all such reasons that I preferred to use firstly Ventex 9KV dimmerable neon sign generator (now died) and since long time a whole set of hand made kachers: very sturdy and secure :)  Not one fault since 2 months. But as I said in some posts agò there are operating differences that I'd like to soon discuss with T-1000.
It seems a good idea to share that info from the 123TPU group with others...at least it would not go dispersed.
Roberto
 

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11074 on: March 05, 2012, 04:13:53 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11075 on: March 05, 2012, 04:25:53 PM »
I have read that a flat piece of metal will emit positive and negative frequencies from the edges of either end...this ties in with what Roberto just posted.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11076 on: March 05, 2012, 05:57:53 PM »
@ronotte and @T-1000

I don't know what the heck is going on. I started the following test with my two batteries in series at 24.82vdc at 12AH. I used a new circuit, well an older circuit I used on a previous standard flyback test, but the flybacks just kept blowing so I put that circuit aside for a while. It's the circuit @verpies provided and that I used on the Flyback Chopper. Now using this circuit on this big flyback I have no more problems of battery overload and burning the wires. I ran the system producing a good spark for around 10 minutes until I started to smell something but could not see anything heating up. So I stopped the system and when I moved the flyback from where it was, I see my table top material was burned. So imagine, the heat required to produce this. But my primary is wound on the flyback core that is held up off the table by this sturdy metal bracket. So the heat had to go from the primary to the core to the bracket and only then to the table top. When I stopped the system, my battery showed 12.37vdc. So the battery dropped some .45 vdc and while it produced a rather thick spark gap, it also managed to burn my table top. How is that possible? And even more important, how will I again explain this to my wife? lolololol

wattsup
You are on the right track! Resonance, then minimum input power with maximum output!
And when dialectric starts to burn, you are actually making it as live wire. Now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9pAmgCwwFA will make sense to you :)
The draw of energy from ambient source is already in flyback!
Also our team discovered about Russian "smart" flyback, it had double secondary instead of single secondary:
1) First secondary is winded clockwise;
2) The good dielectric laid on top;
3) 4 times longer secondary is winded counetr clockwise
So in general it is basic Tesla 1/4 wave resonator with receiving coil inside.. :)


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11076 on: March 05, 2012, 05:57:53 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11077 on: March 05, 2012, 06:01:43 PM »
Hi wattsup,

There are several flyback transformers with one of the their HV coil wire end connected to the metal hardware like your bracket but also it is pinned out like the other coil endings. 
If this is so (you can check this)  then your HV output constituted a closed circuit via the bracket -> table material as a dielectricum -> air -> and the other HV output.  So I mean your HV output is between the pink wire (which goes to the HV diode) and the bracket.  It is possible you cannot measure low Ohmic DC resistance between the bracket and the lower end of the HV coil but then a HV leakage path exists what you can observe in dark if the path is at a visible part.  Also you could elevate the bracket from the table by  say 0.5 to 1mm and repeat the experiment for a few seconds in almost darkness and then you may see the bluish leakage current between the table surface and the bracket....

If this is the case, then a few minutes of operation is enough to heat up the table material, the bracket if it become warm, it was due to the table heatup by normal heat radiation I think.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11078 on: March 05, 2012, 08:48:38 PM »
@All

Thanks guys for your responses. I think I know what may be the cause of the heating from the core. Since I have two coils as primaries, my old circuit was using only one mosfet but with this new circuit it has two mosfets, and because of that I think there is a great opposition of the pulses in each coil and this is what is creating the heat in the core. When I get back home (office now), I will reverse the connections to one of the primaries and check the system again. If I am correct, then my flyback should then be dishing out so much juice I better watch out on the other end. Will advise later tonight.

@gyulasun

Usually in such flybacks it is one side of the primary that is on the metal bracket as shared ground, not the HV side. The original primary has such a connection but I removed the original and made my own two primaries that are all isolated. HV output is isolated as well so this is why I could not think how the hell I was able to produce so much heat. But now, if the two primaries are in opposition to each other, this could create major heat of course. Again, I will advise on that.

@T-1000

Thanks for your words. Very encouraging. Wow, your video you are showing a very bright light being lit. I would be happy with 1/4 of that. lol


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11079 on: March 05, 2012, 09:29:18 PM »
You are on the right track! Resonance, then minimum input power with maximum output!
And when dialectric starts to burn, you are actually making it as live wire. Now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9pAmgCwwFA will make sense to you :)
The draw of energy from ambient source is already in flyback!
Also our team discovered about Russian "smart" flyback, it had double secondary instead of single secondary:
1) First secondary is winded clockwise;
2) The good dielectric laid on top;
3) 4 times longer secondary is winded counetr clockwise
So in general it is basic Tesla 1/4 wave resonator with receiving coil inside.. :)

 ;) nice... isn't it re-discovery ?  ;D

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11080 on: March 06, 2012, 02:50:35 PM »
No, there was no electric arc. The heat transferred from the flyback bracket to the table top as you can see there are two places where you can see the bracket holes transferred to the table and the table top material has bulged a little upwards caused by extreme heat transfer. The crazy thing is the flyback is still working fine.

wattsup

Well I see electric arc in the burn, and if the metal was hot the burn would be under it, not around it and the bracket marks would be opposite direction.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11081 on: March 06, 2012, 06:39:53 PM »
@Flux It

I know how you can confuse this because I should have taken the next image to show you exactly where the flyback base was on the table. In the photo below you see the bracket is slightly moved to the right of the table burn to show you where those two outcrops align with the burn when the bracket was directly over it. If you are referring to the white streaks in the burn mark, those are created by the table top material being bulged upwards from the heat and hence cracking at those points. Actually I now remember hearing a pop sound at one point and that is when I turned off the device the see where this burn smell was coming from.

@All

I just uploaded a small YT video of my current set-up now using my chopper circuit from @verpies. The thing runs well but no light bulb lighting. I then (stupidly yes but I wanted to show you guys the effect) showed that when I remove the capacitor that goes across the two primary circuit outputs, the bulb went on but the damn flyback started sparking in the un-used secondary section. So I had to stop it. This shows that under a very erratic condition, the bulb via the Caduceus Coil is lighting up.

I still have to try out more primary coil configurations as I have 2 first layers and 2 second layers to play around with. i am sure one of these configs will be much much better then the others so time will tell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7NlK5F4O7c

wattsup

PS: Now to download Skype. Seems I flushed it some time ago.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11082 on: March 06, 2012, 07:18:43 PM »
@wattsup

I like you setup.

 Sorry can't help with the capacitor, don't know enough about it. But, can you tell me how big the capacitor is that you are using? . I'm currently working on similar setup as yours.. I noticed you have an oscilloscope connected to your circuit. Can you shed a little light how it is connected. Do you use X100 probe and where it is connected?
 Thanks.

Good luck.
Stay safe, don't burn any more tables.. ;)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #11083 on: March 06, 2012, 09:27:17 PM »
Hello Wattsaup,

now look at these transformer-types:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bWDs-pedl4&feature=related

I discovered the video after I finished watching yours.

Regards

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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