Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze (Read 16500616 times)

wasabi · « **Reply #14370 on:** October 08, 2012, 09:53:40 AM »

Quote from: jbignes5 on October 08, 2012, 12:22:32 AM

talking about math. Lets look at it this way if the average ac current was net zero then there would be no such current at all.

The latter statement is not the conclusion of the former.
The average value does not determine the instantaneous values, however it does the other way around. Averaging functions are not bijective.

Quote from: jbignes5 on October 08, 2012, 12:22:32 AM

So in your logic for an given point in time the current is always zero.

I implied no such conclusion. It is your lack of understanding of non-injective functions, such as the mean, that led you to this conclusion, ...a conclusion which you strangely attribute to me. This debating technique is known as the "Straw Man" strategy, and it will not work on me, either.

Quote from: jbignes5 on October 08, 2012, 12:22:32 AM

So what are you here for anyways? Obviously it's not to help with figuring this process out.

I am here to prevent you from getting away with feeding this forum with falsehoods and loose thinking.

BTW: I have witnessed O/I>1 so I am a believer that OU is possible (e.g. by converting matter to energy), but the path there does not lead through ignorance of science, math and logic.

br549 · « **Reply #14371 on:** October 08, 2012, 01:24:17 PM »

TO Verpies:

The frequency that I was using was 60hz.
Thank-you: and Yes I would appreciate any information on a more accurate method or device for measuring power at different frequencies.

jbignes5 · « **Reply #14372 on:** October 08, 2012, 02:49:29 PM »

Quote from: wasabi on October 08, 2012, 09:53:40 AM

The latter statement is not the conclusion of the former.
The average value does not determine the instantaneous values, however it does the other way around. Averaging functions are not bijective.
I implied no such conclusion. It is your lack of understanding of non-injective functions, such as the mean, that led you to this conclusion, ...a conclusion which you strangely attribute to me. This debating technique is known as the "Straw Man" strategy, and it will not work on me, either.
I am here to prevent you from getting away with feeding this forum with falsehoods and loose thinking.

BTW: I have witnessed O/I>1 so I am a believer that OU is possible (e.g. by converting matter to energy), but the path there does not lead through ignorance of science, math and logic.

Just stop you are not the forum police. And to tell you the truth I don't rightly care what you or anyone thinks. I'm only here to record what I find in a public matter. Spin it however you like but I won't be responding to your tripe anymore.

I am not here to debate with anyone if you don't want to see the way then you will never be able to see the truth.

A debate has to have two sides. Calling me out with saying that is a straw mans method is no such debate.

As usual you pick and choose quotes from me with no real context. I have admitted that the meter was wrong and you still sit here pouting about debating techniques. I use no such methods.

Anyways time to get back to the forum and what we are trying to do. It seems to me that when I get attacked like that from a low poster it is because I'm onto something. Thanks for the tip. Oh and select what I write with razor accuracy so the other 5 lines that explains what I mean don't come into the picture does nothing other then embarrass yourself. Get off it will you. You are not the forum police.

Yeah your a believer of overunity but cling to your antiquated formulas that are designed to never show OU. That is like saying I believe in freedom but do everything to limit free speech. IT doesn't work like that. If I am saying bs it will show in the proof or lack of proof.

I think I'll ask the forum owner if your ip is the same as verpies. Somehow I am betting it is.

jbignes5 · « **Reply #14373 on:** October 08, 2012, 03:08:08 PM »

@wattsup if you use a watt meter it must be across the circuit you are using. You have it across only one portion of the circuit and expect it to show wattage of the circuit you have mistaken the circuit connections. You are bypassing the ground that the power companies use in the house and are routing the current through the pole grounds instead via your ground tap. This is pretty much tapping the power they provide and avoiding the recording device they use to record the current flow. This is probably not the best thing to do.

So this brings me back to my experiments with an open bifilar coil.

I'm thinking of using a joule thief as a method to get oscillations on the cheap and then see if I can leverage the transformer action to net us a gain in the receiving circuit. I'm working on a schematic and will report my findings once I build the unit.

If the open bifilar coils work as my initial observation they should be used on my exciter/generator/motor design that Tesla patented.

On the subject of what got us here in the first place: Conversion of matter to energy is not OU. There is nothing free about having to consume a fuel. this is NOT Over unity and might I suggest that anyone who says that is working for the companies that supply that matter for consumption. Anyone that says matter consumption to get energy only supports what is being taught in our system today. This is not true over unity.

Over unity is an attraction of excess energy in the environment to the device produced by me or you and converted to a form we can use. It is certainly not based on consumption of anything at all. Heck even the energy can not be destroyed, only converted to one form or the other.

verpies · « **Reply #14374 on:** October 08, 2012, 04:23:20 PM »

Quote from: br549 on October 08, 2012, 01:24:17 PM

The frequency that I was using was 60hz.
Thank-you: and Yes I would appreciate any information on a more accurate method or device for measuring power at different frequencies.

At 60Hz these wattmeters should be pretty accurate unless one of them did not use a true 4-quadrant multiplier.

This Daniel guy constructed a decent wattmeter that used an ordinary digital multimeter as an external display. See:
http://danyk.wz.cz/wmetr_en.html

However he used an inferior AD633 analog multiplier.
If you use the superior 2GHz multiplier (ADL5391) instead of the AD633, the result will be a very accurate wattmeter.
The 2GHz multiplier ADL5391 costs only $7.

With the ADL5391 you will have to alter the voltage dividers, CSR and Zener diodes, though, because the ADL5391 is a 5V integrated circuit.

P.S.
The Czech word "boÄnik" means "current sensing resistor" (CSR)

bass · « **Reply #14375 on:** October 08, 2012, 04:52:58 PM »

Here is the scheme that I want to try

Ganzha · « **Reply #14376 on:** October 08, 2012, 06:47:47 PM »

http://youtu.be/FS3Pdt4hTKk

here is video that proves that it is possible to sent a power of 3 KW via thin one string cuprum that could transmit a power and be ground in the same time//////
It means you do not need to have energy generator in green box but just to have a one string from outside power generator and this string would looks like simple ground zero cable/////
http://youtu.be/FS3Pdt4hTKk

verpies · « **Reply #14377 on:** October 08, 2012, 07:02:39 PM »

Quote from: Ganzha on October 08, 2012, 06:47:47 PM

Here is video that proves that it is possible to send 3kW of power via one thin copper wire that can transmit power and be grounded at the same time//////
It means you do not need to have an energy generator in the Green Box, but it is just eough to have one wire coming from an external power generator and this wire can appear as a simple grounding cable/////
http://youtu.be/FS3Pdt4hTKk

The thin wire does not form a loop and the video camera is working just fine close to it!
Good find Ganzha.

wattsup · « **Reply #14378 on:** October 08, 2012, 07:16:26 PM »

Well now that some have blown some steam maybe we can get this thready locomotive rolling again. ALL ABOARD!!!!! lol

@all

My house copper piping is totally isolated from any AC grounds, even the ground on the hot water tank connection was removed. I am convinced this is working with a true Earth ground. I will however try again and isolate the grounding rod of my home to use it instead but I know it will work. But here is the clincher.

A battery driven square wave 150 watt inverter that I just purchased for this test does not do it. It may have to be a sine wave inverter. With the sign wave inverter will equal the mains supply and we can see if it does it. Seems like the square wave inverter is just supplying a pulsed energy and not really an alternating smoothly transitional energy so it must be creating some harmonics that keeps the Earth energy out of the system.

So.........Question #1 to all friends of TK.

Do you have any specific information on the inverter TK used in the 2004 and Green Box (GB)?

Specific means specific. No guesses please or we will blow another 10 pages away.

Specific means model, year, manufacturer, functions, wave type, etc. Or if you have specs on a model close to that one or other models of that manufacturer.

If TKs trick is to use the active wire of an AC single phase supply, then maybe his inverter output plug that goes to the first transformer in the 2004 video is modified. From inside the inverter he just puts the active AC side on both plug terminals. He then sends this to the open transformer terminals but from under the tape of the transformer wind he cuts the winding to not make a short. So the AC5 line going to the tin can having two wires may be really one wire paired to double the amperage capacity of that conductor. This renders the transformer useless but he does not care about that because it is only there for show to confuse people into thinking he is using it for a special reason.

This would also explain why he used the inverter back plug to start up the device. Why go to the trouble of sending that plug to the back of the inverter? He could have put that plug directly with the open transformer supply plug and used it from there to start up the device. He sends that plug to the back were probably only one of the wires is going to the inverter output plug but he does not want to show you this of course and he surely did not want the two conductors of the mains socket to go directly to the open transformer. WHY???????????

So the TK device could simply be his inverter and everything else is just smoke and mirrors. I mean everything.

1) The transistors may be for show. This explains how in the GB video one of his assistants was able to press his thumb onto one of the transistors very hard for a good second or so then tested the heat from the second. It was an impulsive move on his part but very revealing.

2) The TK coil may be a show. This explains the many coil topologies that are more fantastic one from the other. In the 2004/GB that TK coil with the number of winds, one or two coils, who cares, there is nothing that can happen between those two coils besides being used as a fancy looking pair of elongated conductors.

3) The spark gap may be a show. We have used spark gaps galore in our builds. They are basically a consumer of energy, non alternating, HV voltage but weak amperage events and looking at the 2004 video, we see the device working without a spark gap.

We need to find out more about TKs inverter. Is it a square or sine wave inverter? Given the size, I would say it is a sine wave inverter. Why would he used such an inverter when you have millions of square wave inverters available around the world for such low prices, even in those days.

Time to hunt for a sine wave inverter.

Here is Question #2;

Can a DC motor turn a small AC generator to produce single phase AC, that you then only use the one active wire to run the system so the AC motor generates no load to the DC drive motor? Is it possible that the noise of the blue inverter in the 2004 video (rather harsh motor wanting to turn noise) was a DC motor that had trouble starting and that's why he plugged the other plug to lessen the AC side load and free the DC motor to reach its maximum revolutions.

Lot's of things to think about but to least these are all plausible and rather out of the box.

I am sure we are close but the thing is guys are talking all over the place on this thread. If guys can convene that for the next two weeks, only discuss pertinent TK device subjects, things that point directly to some component or SPECIFIC aspect of the device only. Stay away from universal theories, etheric theories, NMR theories, Tesla or personal theories or any other discussion that does not implicate a specific part of the builds, then I think we will crack this egg. But keep spilling useless beans and we will be here forever. This is not an ego trip so please keep to the topic. I am tired of wading through endless posts to find some small portion of useful info.

As I have been saying for years now on this forum. "Sometimes the best post is not posting and simply saying nothing". Before posting, read your posts, work it, put them aside for a few hours and in most cases you will realize there is no need to post it because someone just said what yo wanted to say and the line of reasoning can continue from there.

wattsup

jbignes5 · « **Reply #14379 on:** October 08, 2012, 08:28:57 PM »

Quote from: wattsup on October 08, 2012, 07:16:26 PM

Well now that some have blown some steam maybe we can get this thready locomotive rolling again. ALL ABOARD!!!!! lol

@all

My house copper piping is totally isolated from any AC grounds, even the ground on the hot water tank connection was removed. I am convinced this is working with a true Earth ground. I will however try again and isolate the grounding rod of my home to use it instead but I know it will work. But here is the clincher.

A battery driven square wave 150 watt inverter that I just purchased for this test does not do it. It may have to be a sine wave inverter. With the sign wave inverter will equal the mains supply and we can see if it does it. Seems like the square wave inverter is just supplying a pulsed energy and not really an alternating smoothly transitional energy so it must be creating some harmonics that keeps the Earth energy out of the system.

So.........Question #1 to all friends of TK.

Do you have any specific information on the inverter TK used in the 2004 and Green Box (GB)?

Specific means specific. No guesses please or we will blow another 10 pages away.

Specific means model, year, manufacturer, functions, wave type, etc. Or if you have specs on a model close to that one or other models of that manufacturer.

If TKs trick is to use the active wire of an AC single phase supply, then maybe his inverter output plug that goes to the first transformer in the 2004 video is modified. From inside the inverter he just puts the active AC side on both plug terminals. He then sends this to the open transformer terminals but from under the tape of the transformer wind he cuts the winding to not make a short. So the AC5 line going to the tin can having two wires may be really one wire paired to double the amperage capacity of that conductor. This renders the transformer useless but he does not care about that because it is only there for show to confuse people into thinking he is using it for a special reason.

This would also explain why he used the inverter back plug to start up the device. Why go to the trouble of sending that plug to the back of the inverter? He could have put that plug directly with the open transformer supply plug and used it from there to start up the device. He sends that plug to the back were probably only one of the wires is going to the inverter output plug but he does not want to show you this of course and he surely did not want the two conductors of the mains socket to go directly to the open transformer. WHY? ?

So the TK device could simply be his inverter and everything else is just smoke and mirrors. I mean everything.

1) The transistors may be for show. This explains how in the GB video one of his assistants was able to press his thumb onto one of the transistors very hard for a good second or so then tested the heat from the second. It was an impulsive move on his part but very revealing.

2) The TK coil may be a show. This explains the many coil topologies that are more fantastic one from the other. In the 2004/GB that TK coil with the number of winds, one or two coils, who cares, there is nothing that can happen between those two coils besides being used as a fancy looking pair of elongated conductors.

3) The spark gap may be a show. We have used spark gaps galore in our builds. They are basically a consumer of energy, non alternating, HV voltage but weak amperage events and looking at the 2004 video, we see the device working without a spark gap.

We need to find out more about TKs inverter. Is it a square or sine wave inverter? Given the size, I would say it is a sine wave inverter. Why would he used such an inverter when you have millions of square wave inverters available around the world for such low prices, even in those days.

Time to hunt for a sine wave inverter.

Here is Question #2;

Can a DC motor turn a small AC generator to produce single phase AC, that you then only use the one active wire to run the system so the AC motor generates no load to the DC drive motor? Is it possible that the noise of the blue inverter in the 2004 video (rather harsh motor wanting to turn noise) was a DC motor that had trouble starting and that's why he plugged the other plug to lessen the AC side load and free the DC motor to reach its maximum revolutions.

Lot's of things to think about but to least these are all plausible and rather out of the box.

I am sure we are close but the thing is guys are talking all over the place on this thread. If guys can convene that for the next two weeks, only discuss pertinent TK device subjects, things that point directly to some component or SPECIFIC aspect of the device only. Stay away from universal theories, etheric theories, NMR theories, Tesla or personal theories or any other discussion that does not implicate a specific part of the builds, then I think we will crack this egg. But keep spilling useless beans and we will be here forever. This is not an ego trip so please keep to the topic. I am tired of wading through endless posts to find some small portion of useful info.

As I have been saying for years now on this forum. "Sometimes the best post is not posting and simply saying nothing". Before posting, read your posts, work it, put them aside for a few hours and in most cases you will realize there is no need to post it because someone just said what yo wanted to say and the line of reasoning can continue from there.

wattsup

I have to say this. Wattsup even though you think you are picking an isolated ground the power company grounds the poles every block or so. This is common practice on the neutral side to keep the potential even on the neutral side. It's called bonding. The ground for the service is a local tap to the pole. you are bypassing that tap which is connected to the service meter. This is unfortunately a bypass for the meter using another ground which isn't tied to the meter but returns power via your tap to the bonded ground of the pole.
One way to find out if you are doing this is to turn everything off in your house so that the meter outside is not spinning and then run the experiment and then check the meter. If it is spinning then you have not done anything but what they are doing other then bypassing the normal way to measure the wattage by changing the pathway of the return AC signal. As long as that meter is spinning you won't be stealing from them. If on the other hand it doesn't spin then I would suspect you found a way to take the active portion of the AC signal and created a difference enoiugh to run a load at normal current levels. I highly doubt this but it could happen I am guessing.

This isn't what TK is doing. There is no connection to the power system at all besides what is in his house version. If you look at the backyard version he doesn't use the power system at all. In fact the backyard version he uses 2 ground connections. I have no clue as to the ground connection he used in the house. In fact it could be viewed as using one ground connection from outside and another from the house ground.

As to the inverter unit he uses the backyard presentation showed the face of the unit and he tells the wattage of the unit as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Goq76CQapyI at 10:16 he shows the inverters face but again this is a rather bad video that is extremely pixilated.

If you wanted to know how this device works then watch the video all the way through. He talks about a resonator that automatically changes to the resonant frequency of his primary and secondary coils in the coiled device. He states this is hidden till he gets patent information and is what the guy was looking at under the box that his helper was trying to say no to look at. This is important because he wanted to get patent rights but he does say it is based on Melnichenko. The auto resonance device is probably the key and is what was in the tin can of the inside video.

FreeEnergyInfo · « **Reply #14380 on:** October 08, 2012, 08:42:04 PM »

TESLA ...

forest · « **Reply #14381 on:** October 08, 2012, 08:50:09 PM »

ok, wattsup what you need is to connect sinewave inverter to ground in such way as the power coming through load to ground mystically rise to 5kW and that's all

that is what burned generators in Colorado Springs during Tesla experiments....

Gia schematic may be close , and imho every part is needed. don't be fooled by anyone stating that transistors or transformers are hoax

FreeEnergyInfo · « **Reply #14382 on:** October 08, 2012, 09:24:54 PM »

SKYPE GIA ...
TEXT ...

THANKS korneysumy ....

jbignes5 · « **Reply #14383 on:** October 09, 2012, 12:02:44 AM »

I wanted to touch on the Tesla method again from a different angle so to speak.

Consider now the effect of such a conductor of vast dimensions on a circuit exciting it. The right hand of the diagram of Fig. 6 illustrates a familiar oscillating system comprising a straight rod of self-inductance 2L with small terminal capacities c,c and a node in the center. In the left hand of the diagram of the figure a large capacity C is attached to the rod at one end with the result of shifting the node to the bottom, thru a distance corresponding to self-inductance X. As both parts of the system on either side of the node vibrate at the same rate, we have evidently, (L+X)c = (L-X)C from which X = L(C-c/C+c). When the capacity C becomes commensurate to that of the earth, X approximates L, in other words, the node is close to the ground connection. The exact determination of its position is very important in the calculation of certain terrestrial electrical and geodetic data and I have devised special means with this purpose in view.

Now if we understand this the earth is a very large capacitance. A single wire attached in between two capacities that vary bring the node in the wires closer to the bigger capacitance. Hmm

If you flip the second picture this would be similar.

Zeitmaschine · « **Reply #14384 on:** October 09, 2012, 12:10:43 AM »

Quote from: Ganzha on October 08, 2012, 06:47:47 PM

here is video that proves that it is possible to sent a power of 3 KW via thin one string cuprum that could transmit a power and be ground in the same time//////

One more blurry video with hidden parts to look at. This is amazing.

Quote from: Ganzha on October 08, 2012, 06:47:47 PM

It means you do not need to have energy generator in green box but just to have a one string from outside power generator and this string would looks like simple ground zero cable/////

And this outside power generator is hidden in a water faucet in front of the whole audience.

BTW: I have found a simple solution for the Capacitor Paradox. When a charged capacitor is short-circuited by a wire all the energy in it is lost. When a charged capacitor is short-circuited by another (uncharged) capacitor of the same rating then this acts like half short-circuited, so half the energy is lost, the other half is equally distributed between the two capacitors. What does this mean in respect to the Kapanadze device? I'm afraid it means nothing.

Quote from: wattsup on October 08, 2012, 07:16:26 PM

Can a DC motor turn a small AC generator to produce single phase AC, that you then only use the one active wire to run the system so the AC motor generates no load to the DC drive motor? Is it possible that the noise of the blue inverter in the 2004 video (rather harsh motor wanting to turn noise) was a DC motor that had trouble starting and that's why he plugged the other plug to lessen the AC side load and free the DC motor to reach its maximum revolutions.

The humming sound behavior in the 2004 Video is rather strange: At 17:02 humming sound after the inverter is switched on. At 17:14 no humming sound anymore (maybe quieter) after the auxiliary plug is connected. At 22:57 the inverter is switched on, no humming sound. 23:00 loud humming sound after the auxiliary plug is connected. 23:10 no humming sound anymore after the auxiliary plug is disconnected. Conclusion: the humming sound occurs randomly.

Now I have noticed the same random behavior during my experiments with a transformer, inverter and capacitors. My inverter (not transformer!) makes a humming noise when connected to the transformer and the capacitors. But not always. Without changing anything in the setup sometimes after connection the humming noise is there sometimes it is not. I think the difference is whether the connection is closed at maximum or at zero-crossing of the sine wave.

Analysis: The image below shows the loud humming noise at 23:00 superimposed with a 50Hz sine wave. The mark Â»0.100Â« denotes 1/10 second. This means the humming noise in the 2004 video correlates with 50Hz or even 100Hz (if the smaller intermediate waves are counted).

So what could follow from that?

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