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Author Topic: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !  (Read 257735 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« on: April 25, 2010, 08:33:30 AM »
Have a look at these 2 new videos
from the German Anton HHO cell team !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaiyjV8OpC4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYJOAqPYmkk

Is this the future of energy production ?

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2010, 08:58:10 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2010, 08:48:21 AM »
Stefan,
Are you saying this "Anton" system can power itself ,plus make more power?

Chet


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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2010, 08:54:02 AM »
I am still waiting for an  exact confirmation
from Oliver and Valentin, but it seems to be so...

He said it ran a little unstable and the motor accelerated too much,
so he had to shut it down after 40 seconds, cause he did not want to
blow his DC power supply.

The voltage output of the generator is not enough stabilized...

But it seems to be a elfrunning system only needing water.

Here is his latest message, before he went to bed:


http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=528.msg8593#msg8593

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2010, 11:35:13 AM »
Yes  this brave men had shown the proof of conzept.

Now it is up to everyone to support such technologies.

No need for War. No need to die because of violence.

And   it is    open source 

helmut


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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2010, 11:49:29 AM »
Nice, but 40 seconds don't allow for much euphoria yet. I'm eager for more tests.



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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2010, 02:42:09 PM »
It seems that 2010 is THE year of free energy!

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2010, 02:56:19 PM »
Nice, but 40 seconds don't allow for much euphoria yet. I'm eager for more tests.



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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2010, 04:45:58 PM »
Comment from you-tube:

>ke4uyp: It Is scientifically impossible to produce more energy than you
>consume. If it were possible to produce more energy than you consume
>then you could disconnect the source of input energy, and feed the
>output back into the input and it would run indefinitely. Perpetual
>Motion, obviously your measuring equipment is not up to the job because
>of your test results

---

Me:

This HHO production mechanism is good thing. It is
potentially a *fueled process* as natural water contains
deuterium an isotope of hydrogen. You can either pull
the deuterium out via a chemical process and burn it in
an ITER large scale fusion reactor or use it a little at time
via as a CF Cold Fusion process. So there is *nothing* in
the manufacture of HHO that *requires* it to be theoretical
overunity ZPE. This is only an overunity process because
scientist don’t currently fully admit to what is happening.
But they are slowly coming around.

Don't forget this self running system contains a 33% = 1/3
efficient Carnot' gas heat engine. If it self-runs the 3x energy
gain has got to come from somewhere. This is different then
potentially self-running on a small amount of rotoverter gain.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2010, 05:07:34 PM »
I'd have waited with a comment like that because you have no indication that is does self run. The energy contained in the system is more than enough to act as a buffer in the short 40 seconds to run electrolysis and the motor.

Offline broli

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2010, 05:08:38 PM »
Technically you don't need any/much fuel if you consider the fact that you get water from the exhaust.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
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Offline mscoffman

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2010, 05:58:52 PM »
Technically you don't need any/much fuel if you consider the fact that you get water from the exhaust.

The exhaust water would be somewhat depleted in deuterium
you'd probably want to exhaust it eventually so that it could
re-equalize with water in the environment. It does this
automatically through water ion interchange. It turns out
that the deuterium ratio of water on Mars is somewhat more
concentrated than Earth because Mars differentially lost
most of it's light hydrogen through atmospheric migration.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2010, 06:10:01 PM »
I'd have waited with a comment like that because you have no indication that is does self run. The energy contained in the system is more than enough to act as a buffer in the short 40 seconds to run electrolysis and the motor.

But the comment from the person on you-tube gives no
hope outside of ZPE that the unit self-runs. I wanted to say;

A) this is a different process than free energy magnetic motors.
which almost certainly must be ZPE. So is not dependent on that.

B) if it self-runs for any amount of time almost certainly there is
no experimentally questionable amount of gain. The gain has
got to be large enough to run the ineffcient ICE motor.

The person does have to show long term self-running, but he
should also have some hope of achieving it.

:MarkSCoffman


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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2010, 06:20:06 PM »
But the comment from the person on you-tube gives no
hope outside of ZPE that the unit self-runs. I wanted to say;
Well what he said is true, isn't it?

B) if it self-runs for any amount of time almost certainly there is
no experimentally questionable amount of gain. The gain has
got to be large enough to run the ineffcient ICE motor.

The person does have to show long term self-running, but he
should also have some hope of achieving it.

:MarkSCoffman
I agree with that. But we don't know if the motor would run for any amount of time, it possibly won't.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2010, 06:51:29 PM »
Oliver confirmed now over here:

http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=528.msg8601#msg8601

that they only had the car ignition coil running on an external small AC/DC adapter,
which could be easily also adapted to the output,
but all the HHO gas the 3 Anton cells produced were enough to run the whole
system in a selfrunning mode.

But due to the poor regulations  Valentin  had to watch and readjust the airmix
and as the motor speeded up and got too fast, they did need to shut it down after
40 seconds, cause the main power supply for the 3 Antons can not tolerate
over-voltages and they feared to break this power supply.

I will try to reach Oliver via phone and will ask more.

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2010, 07:13:06 PM »
I just spoke with Oliver on the phone and
he confirmed again, that the produced electrical power was enough
to run the AC/DC power supply for the 3 Anton cells.

But all needs very much readjusting, cause they only have a very
cheap Chinese Motor/Generator and the external air input also
needs to be readjusted with RPM etc, so it needed 2 people to operate it all
and held the RPM steady and when the RPM went too fast, they shut this
system down after 40 seconds...

They did the test mainly to study how much mechanical and electrical power
can be produced and they were themself really astound, that they got it to selfrun...

They want to research it much further and were disappointed, that guys
like Woodpecker and others, who were almost there 1 year ago, never came
forward with new tests.

To me this proves, that during the combustion from HHO there is still going on
more things then we are used to know.
The high speed detonation of HHO, which they use in their optimized modified sparkplug
and phade angle timing of the sparking to motor rotor TDC position,
makes it possible to deliver the full stroke mechanical power to the motor and
thus keep up a high RPM.

Maybe when the HHO gas explodes, it draws in some energy from the zero point field
or something like this or there is really deuterium involved... who know,
but this have to be researched from the universities !


Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
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