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[hartiberlin]

Hi Darrell, did you film the machine
not longer, so one could see, if it turns
contineously ?
Interesting mechanismus from 12 to 2 o?clock.
How about the lower part ?
How are the weights risen over there ?
Many thanks.

[VANDUGEGS]

The video is of an old wooden machine. I built it about 14 years ago. I had no other way to build one, because I only had wood working tools. I then had to design a machine, with only wood in mind.
That wooden machine never rotated, it only moved about 30-35 degrees. It proved some of the experements that I needed to scale up, inorder to use the many variables. that are nessesary for a gravity powered machine.
This machine had about 144 lbs of moving weight and it was very, unstable. It did have a lift of 7 inches. This may not sound like much but you should know that when it moved, it moved 36 lbs, a total of 14 inches and three spokes at one time.
The start up of the 30 degrees was good enought at the time.
Specking of start up, not many understand the importance of a machine that can start bye itself.
I now have a machine that resets itself every 30 degrees.

Darrell

[hartiberlin]

Hi Darell, can you post also a video of your current wheel ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

[hartiberlin]

I just had a longer talk with Darrel , who was very nice on MSN Messenger
and I signed an NDA, so he will show me the machine.

Maybe someone in Canada can do the same and visit him and
help him setup a marketing plan for the machine.
He has worked many years on it and he does not want to
give it away for free, which is understandable....

What would be the best plan, so he could make some
good money out of it and still get it out to the public ?

[nightwynd]

Thats a really good question Stefan...I've been wondering the same thing myself. I'm planning a trip up to Darrell's sometime soon, just have to book the time off of work. What I would like to know though is, what do people need to know to actually belive that this works, without going into the mechanical aspects of it? Basically I'm looking for a list of questions that need answering as well as what kinds of pictures that should be taken. Please either post the questions here, or email them to me - nightwynd@gmail.com

Thanks!
nightwynd.

[mark australia]

I would be happy to sign a NDA. Its a tricky process to get something like this out there. First step is verification and have it independently tested. Second is to protect the intellectual property. if these two steps are taken then it is an easy process to get the money provided the economics of it stacks up.
Questions to ask is the usual
1: power in vs power out.
2: Capital cost to usable power.
If it does run as a gravity motor without any other percieved power source (solar, wind, electrical, chemical) it could be in the running for some prize money (Randi, Eric Graig etc).
The main thing is to have it indepentantly tested by a trusted party. The NEC has some very good people in the states.
Mark (Australia) PS I have skype and msn if Darell wants a chat ...no need for me to see anything.

[hartiberlin]

Hi nightwynd,

the notes and questions you should ask:

1. He should show you the machine running and you have tomake
sure there is no hidden energ source like batteries or hidden cables
or RF receiver.

2. Then sign an eye wittness report, that you have seen it running and
for how long.

3. Sign an NDA, so Darrel is sure, you don?t tell the principle to other
people and speak with Darrel about the possible marketing and production
processes, if it first would be probably best to find a company, that
will produce a desktop toy out of it or sell "how to"manuals on Ebay
or CDs with movies from it on Ebay or something simular...

4. I guess, if Darrel will choose to go the public way to put
out a video with the running machine and a stamped in title,
that it is his invention, he would be recognized in history as the
2nd Bessler and will make much more money from his famousity,
all the Talk Shows he would be invited and TV shows, etc...
and he could write a book, that could be a bestseller, get prize money
or the Nobel prize, etc...
So I would go for an open public demonstration.

Thats a really good question Stefan...I've been wondering the same thing myself. I'm planning a trip up to Darrell's sometime soon, just have to book the time off of work. What I would like to know though is, what do people need to know to actually belive that this works, without going into the mechanical aspects of it? Basically I'm looking for a list of questions that need answering as well as what kinds of pictures that should be taken. Please either post the questions here, or email them to me - nightwynd@gmail.com

Thanks!
nightwynd.

[hartiberlin]

Hi Darrel,
Have a look at this:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Andy_Gravity-Magnet_Motor

Maybe we can get Ken Hegemann
to rebuild your motor,
cause he already has the parts for the Andy Gravity motor...

The difference is not too much.

You are using the base-case-stand of the motor to let the weights roll
to the outer spokes end from 12 to 2 o?Clock which seems
to be better than the Andy motor
and probably you also let the weights roll on the stand from 6 to 8 o?clock to get nearer to the axis,
so you have a see-saw, which is always heavier on the right side...
and the wheel turns clockwise.

Maybe Ken Hegemann can try to replicate your design and verify your claims.
Regards, Stefan.

[nightwynd]

Didn't they completely disprove the viability of the Andy Motor? The mathematics are all there that disprove the claims....

Thanks for the info there Stefan, I'll see if I can come up with some good material for everyone

[hartiberlin]

Yes, the Andy motor does not work, but when you look
at the video Darrel posted, his design is different as the case-stand is
moving the weights from 12 to 2 o clock and to the outer end of the spokes...
That is a completely different force setup.
I can already image how Darrel?s machine works,
although he did not yet send me more infos.
Have to first finalize the NDA with him...

I guess Darrel?s design is very simular in function
to the real Bessler wheel, cause there also probably the
case-housing-stand of the motor has been shifting the weights.
Otherwise it would not have been possible for Bessler
to hide the inner workings with a closed surface wheel ! Think about it !

There also the inner stand case must have shifted the weights
also Besser just only used 8 weights and used springs
and Darrel says that his design only works with at least 12 spokes,
okay, he does not use any springs bust just a see-saw design,
so he is just using a bigger torque arm on the right side to pull weights up
at the left side....

As Darrel is living on 200 Ca$ a month only he really is looking for some
help for all the years he has worked on it and it might be good for him
to apply for a prize money, maybe from Randi or Eric Krieg...

[nightwynd]

Is there a website or someplace where I could check out the details of the prizes and what the requirements are for them? I'll be sure to make sure that the device meets them if I am able...

[hartiberlin]

Here they have 100 Milliom in prize money:
http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?dist=newsfinder&guid=%7B4D040A7E-BD16-4866-88A5-D14AE3A091D7%7D


and here is Eric Krieg?s 10.000 US$ challenge:

http://www.phact.org/e/freetest.html

[JackH]

Hello hartiberlin,

Looks to me like that 1 million is for hydrogen research & development.   The $10,000 that Eric Krieg is willing to give away is almost impossable for a small time inventer.   Did you read his requirments(1.5kW or 15-100 watt light bulbs).  You would need alot of money to build a machine as big as he wants.

Later,,,,JackH

[hartiberlin]

I just had another conversation with Darrell via MSN messenger
and after signing the NDA
he showed me a few videos where one can see the principle of the wheel
and it is really a very interesting machine.
The next videos he will send me will show the machine running
for a few revolutions, so I would be sure, it is really working
from gravity alone.

So is here from this forum anybody living near Ontario Canada, who is schooled in physics and
go over to him and have a look at Darrell?s gravity wheel and sign an eye wittness report
and have it posted over here ?

@nightwynd,
when will you go there ?
Did you already make an appointment ?
Anybody else, who could go there and maybe help
Darrell finish his new bigger machine, which should run a generator ?

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

[nightwynd]

Was speaking with Darrell again last night...the more I talk to him, the more excited I get about the whole thing. I'm hoping that I can book a day off of work sometime soon so I can make the trip. Probably happen sometime in the next couple of weeks...