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[KSW]

i hope this fits in this topic, but there isnt really a section to discuss files so here goes:

i found the attached file when browsing another site, cant remember which one, i've had it a while and not really taken any notice of it.

im no electrician so i wonder if somebody could explain ....

they make it sound like childs to to making free energy, can it really be this easy?

Or are they not taking into account some crucialr factors?

Im more intrigued by the experiment near the top of the page, the one about the buzzer.
They seem to get 50v out from 21.5v in. Now if this is the case, why not just use some of this energy to put back the current in C2 to C1, and tap off the excess from C3?
Or will there be a difference in current?  (sorry if this sounds stupid but as i say im no electrician)

If this is the case with the buzzer, why bother with the mechanical and solid state circuits at the bottom of the page!

I have some capacitors and an old doorbell lying about somewhere so i could test this, but id rather not waste my time if something simple could explain it.

Thanks Alot
Kane

[jwrigley]

Hi Kane,

I'm no electrical engineer or tech either. but having said that...just use this equation I got from an old physics text book I have PE=1/2CV^2 (potential enegy = 1/2 times capacitance times voltage squared.) I think you'll see that his charge shifting never gets the system to do better than 100%. i've performed many of these experiments and I think they are a dead end. Other names to look for are Bedini, Edwin Gray, Tesla, and Moray. Out of all these names Bedini only makes the claim of reaching his goals with "normal" capacitve and inductive circutry. However, one must consider their source here, I am only a building contractor.

-John

[wizkycho]

Hi !

Here is proposal shematic of how to make infinite charge and discharge of capacitors while doing work.
Shematic is just a start tought and it's not tried by me.
The goal is to constantly discharge one capacitor and charge other and not to WASTE a drop of charge.
Just like heaving two glasses one filled with water and the other is empty.
We can constantly fully fill other by emptying the first... and back.
Of course we have to LIFT first glass above the other or lifting it as emptying it to other.
The LIFT can be done with Trafo....

Like I said this shematic is just a start of thinking.

wizkycho

[wizkycho]

and again !

test 1 will show no matter C5 is connected or not that C3 and C4 end up with same energy ammount.
if C5 is connected there is some extra charge - created !!!

test2 why not use this extra charge to level up endcyclus energy of (C3,C4 -test1) C1 and C2
........

wiz

[wizkycho]

test 3

will this allmost completely discharge C1 and charge C2 with allmost complete charge of C1 ?

wiz

[wizkycho]

and again !

test 1 will show no matter C5 is connected or not that C3 and C4 end up with same energy ammount.
if C5 is connected there is some extra charge - created !!!

test2 why not use this extra charge to level up endcyclus energy of (C3,C4 -test1) C1 and C2
........

wiz

TEST1 done !
Test completely confirmed extra charge and extra energy comming from "nowhere".
I used standard trafo 220V/2*24V 50W
primary was 2*24V. All conds are 470u/450V

C5 in test1 IS load.
I charged first cap with 6.2V
when discharged to other both caps ended up with 3.13V with or without LOAD
Tried with resisitors, diodes as load and result voltage was allways 3.13V

every other known source of energy would end up with less energy if load is connected.

This means, my fellows, that with this setup we can not destroy electron and second
with this setup we can METERIALIZE from "nothing" electrons...

"nothing" really is space or vacuum.

this is a short letter which is a key to additional tests in which we will "call" for more electrons
MATERIALIZE them to help us.

see the wizardry in this ?

wizkycho

[gyulasun]

Hi Igor,

Would you tell what voltage C5 got charged up? Make sure of the polarity of the induced voltage with respect to the polarity of C5.
Perhaps the switching speed of S2 (i.e. switching frequency) in your Test 1 drawing can be "matched" to the self resonant frequency of the parallel resonant frequency of C5 and the primer coil's inductance? Kinda harmonic parametric excitation Naudin or others wrote about?  Of course I know, to make this, you would need electronic switching with a small pulse generator.

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By the way, your setup reminds me of a similar topic here of last year: EMF recycler, http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,204.0.html
where I suggested replacing the resistor (which got warmed up) with a transformer's secondary and trying to use the energy at its primary coil usefully.  What do you think?

Regards
Gyula

[wizkycho]

gyulasum

thanks for the another piece of puzzle.
Just to say that this is not spark-newman type device.
In this parametric-type-only at the end of cycle charges are lost , although he didn't do it emidiatelly and that is why he got
R1 hot. He played parametric ping-pong across R1. still no new charges are created to give this device some more swing.
R1 heats, R2 not. this could mean that some of energy from R1 (by materialization of elecrtons at the secondary) can completely replace accu batery input...and more.

So ping-pong is played by more and more players materializing aditional electrons at third trafo coil (not loosing any of original players) and using those charges for usefull work.

So we have solved energy crisis, now what...

I wonder how many of You are allready made your devices and telling to gass station plant guy that at your home you do everything on electricity and in the same time telling electric company guy that even your TV set is propeled with gass ?
Looking forward to join You.

Igor

[PaulLowrance]

test 1 will show no matter C5 is connected or not that C3 and C4 end up with same energy ammount.
TEST1 done !
Test completely confirmed extra charge and extra energy comming from "nowhere".
I used standard trafo 220V/2*24V 50W
primary was 2*24V. All conds are 470u/450V

C5 in test1 IS load.
I charged first cap with 6.2V
when discharged to other both caps ended up with 3.13V with or without LOAD
Tried with resisitors, diodes as load and result voltage was allways 3.13V

Hi wizkycho,

That's very interesting experiment. If I understand what you're saying, that if you have three identical caps, one is charged to 6.2 V, and then you use your device to charge the other two caps to 3.13 V, then that is not yet free energy.  Here is the equation to calculate the amount of energy contained in a cap:

E = 0.5 * C * V^2

E is energy (Joules) within the cap.  C is capacitance in farads. V is the voltage. Remember you must square voltage. So 6.2 volts in 470 uF is 9.03 mJ of energy and 3.13 volts in 470 uF is 2.30 mJ times two is 4.6 mJ.

I'm wondering if this is what you were saying.

Paul Lowrance

[gyulasun]

gyulasum

thanks for the another piece of puzzle.
Just to say that this is not spark-newman type device.
In this parametric-type-only at the end of cycle charges are lost , although he didn't do it emidiatelly and that is why he got
R1 hot. He played parametric ping-pong across R1. still no new charges are created to give this device some more swing.
R1 heats, R2 not. this could mean that some of energy from R1 (by materialization of elecrtons at the secondary) can completely replace accu batery input...and more.

So ping-pong is played by more and more players materializing aditional electrons at third trafo coil (not loosing any of original players) and using those charges for usefull work.

So we have solved energy crisis, now what...

I wonder how many of You are allready made your devices and telling to gass station plant guy that at your home you do everything on electricity and in the same time telling electric company guy that even your TV set is propeled with gass ?
Looking forward to join You.

Igor

Hi Igor,

Not so fast, please...    I did not mean to be negative on you or to show you that I achieved any remarkable results with these capacitor charging/discharging circuits because I did not.  Sorry for this, I cannot report any overunity success yet.

I simply wished to ask how much voltage you got in your C5 capacitor?

I agree with you: the circuit in the link http://drspark.com/idea003.php is not spark-newman type device. It is a ping pong of charges among the caps I also agree but I have not found any extra output unfortunately. (I did these tests last year.) However, maybe  by using transformer instead of resistor, as you do in your shown circuits, the possibility opens up I think by the counter EMF of the transformer primary coil that charges up C5. Last year I did not test it with transformer so this is why I am curious to know the voltage on C5.

Best Regards
Gyula

[wizkycho]

Hi Igor,

Not so fast, please...    I did not mean to be negative on you or to show you that I achieved any remarkable results with these capacitor charging/discharging circuits because I did not.  Sorry for this, I cannot report any overunity success yet.

On a conterary I think You where not in any way negative but constructive.
But if EMF recycler showned undoubtably chalorimetric Free Energy (and to say lots of it) it is most
likely a matter of simple electronics to make it OU.
So I just wondered how many have built this or something simmilar but keeping it quiet about.
Of course this gives them advantage in this space and time.

I'm thinking of the same strategy.

This sentance is the best way to keep it from public 
"telling to gass station plant guy that at your home you do everything on electricity and in the same time telling electric company guy that even your TV set is propeled with gass, and if somebody tries too sell you wood you just "admit" that Your house uses gass and electricity"

You can't just tell them "dissconect me" cause
emidiately they will start sniff around. And I'd rather would like to see WIB (Women In Black) than MIB. I just wouldn't know
what to do with MIB - I might hurt him.

wiz

[FreeEnergy]

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,903.0.html

[PaulLowrance]

wizkycho,

Could you please reply to my post.

Paul Lowrance

[wizkycho]

to gyula
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In test1.1

on 220V secondary I conected greatz and  100uF to +- of greatz.
After discahrging full (at 6.2V) one capacitor 470u through
primary 2*24V to empty 470u both were at 3.15V and 100uF on secondary got 3.3V.
If repeated 100uF got arround 2.5V in every cycle

in test 1.2 (emidiate power back)
I disconected 100u (C5) and conected output of gretz +- to fully charged (6.2v) 470u at primary winding
After discharge through primary to emty 470u both caps ended up  at 3.4V.
It is a small change 3.15V to 3.4V.

in test1.2
I think 470u + 470U is to low impendance for secondarys such a short pulse.
what is needed is to use say 10u and discharge it after few pulses...

I'm going to build it parametrically (EMF Recycler)...

to Paul Lowrence
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I'm avare of equations and I'm not stating free energy

[gyulasun]

Hi Igor,

thanks for the info. Yes, the small voltage value you receive in the 100uF capacitor is because  it is placed in the secondary and there the back EMF of the 2 x 24V primary cannot induce any useful voltage.  I agree on trying lower value capacitors to find the best charging up time (4.7-22uF).

If you have a look at Naudin's site on his scalar battery charger circuit, you can find MOSFET switch circuits with their drivers what you can use for the EMF recycler too. The link is:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/scalchrg.htm

Regards
Gyula