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[gn0stik]

The original thread is here:

http://www.gn0sis.com/component/option,com_joomlaboard/Itemid,33/func,view/catid,41/id,3043/#3043

As many people working on this as possible in the same place would be good. We've got three, maybe 4 people attempting to replicate, with one successful replication thus far.

As many independent replicators as possible is what is needed. If we get a ton of people working on this, we can refine it and improve it. Applying principals of other devices as etc.

This, so far, has been a great project, and I'm proud it's happened at my site.

Everyone is welcome if you don't already have accounts there.

Rich

[hartiberlin]

Many thanks to Rich to have hosted it at his site.

Here is an updated  circuit diagram Mike just posted there,
attached to this message.

You must be logged in here to the forum to see it.

Regards, Stefan.

[CTG Labs]

Quick.. Post this information in as many forums as possible.. Make copies of all this information. This looks to be the real deal.. Get the the information out before the suppresion starts.

This motor and circuit has been on John Bedini's website for atleast 7 years, just ignored by everyone.  I don't think there is any way to suppress it now as its been out so long.  We have suppressed it ourselves by ignoring the info on John Bedini's site, he has always said, all the answers are all on his site, but we have all been blind.


D.

[Hoppy]

This motor and circuit has been on John Bedini's website for alteast 7 years, just ignored by everyone.  I don't think there is any way to suppress it now as its been out so long.  We have suppressed it ourselves by ignoring the info on John Bedini's site, he has always said, all the answers are all on his site, but we have all been blind.


D.

Not by everyone!

[pese]

Das wird sicher einen einfachen Grund haben , warum das scheinbar ignoriert wird .  Es gab bestimmt Hunderte Menschen die dies erfolglos probiert haben. Pese
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That will have a simple reason surely, why that is apparently ignored. It gave determines hundreds to peoples the this unsuccessfully tried. Pese

[Rosphere]

Stefan,

Please ask Mike if alternatives to this Crouzet relay device can be used.

This component seems, "oddly specific."  There are many makers of relays.  Perhaps others will work as well?

Also, instead of showing a black-box schematic to this device, may we see the relay details in recognizable schematic form?

Oh, and if it is all here, somewhere, then please just tell me that need to develop a flair for the obvious. 

Thanks,
Rosphere

[pese]

this is only optocoppler (led to triac /scr)
you can do nothing with this in "bedini?s"
ciruits.
Pese

Here are the Bedini Circuits again:
http://pixerve.de/42507/pese.html
http://pixerve.de/42508/pese.html
Many Ywars in my URK

[barbosi]

Might be interesting though to check with other switches, especialy with CMOS transistors (http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/4125) instead of thyristor at the output.
As is known, a thyristor uses a negative resistance region and it would be interesting to know on the same circuit what is the contribution of ss relay, beside Bedini-Cole efect and/or Mike efect.

Thanks for sharing, this very generous from you Mike. Let open-source prove its power now.
Peace.

[pese]

@ barbosi

you cant use this solid state relais at this DC ciruiits .
Also not an 12 Volt
also the are not fast enough.
real contact relais are not to replace
in some circuits !

This MSC Cmos Opto -Relais are designed for kogic circuits (are fast , but can only used at about 100mAmps. !!!!!   
IT IS  "DC" BUT : TO WEAK FOR  BEDINI CIRCUITS

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That "negative resistance" from SCR is unknow to me .
I have "invented" the Negistor , Jears before "Popular" Electronics have copied this
from ELEKTUUR , Nederlands , /that was described from me as : "S?gezahn-generator"
If you know more , pls mail to me (see Profil)
G.Pese

[barbosi]

@ barbosi

you cant use this solid state relais at this DC ciruiits .
Also not an 12 Volt
also the are not fast enough.
real contact relais are not to replace
in some circuits !

This MSC Cmos Opto -Relais are designed for kogic circuits (are fast , but can only used at about 100mAmps.

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That "negative resistance" from SCR is unknow to me .
I have "invented" the Negistor , Jears before "Popular" Electronics have copied this
from ELEKTUUR , Nederlands , /that was described from me as : "S?gezahn-generator"
If you know more , pls mail to me (see Profil)
G.Pese

By solid state I didn't mean coil&contacts.
For a regular Thyristor the negative region is shown in first picture.
Source: http://www.eng.uwi.tt/depts/elec/staff/rdefour/ee33d/s4_tchar.html

For optic thyristor, see the pdf file, page 3, fig 1.
Source: http://www.opticsexpress.org/viewmedia.cfm?id=119186&seq=0

Regards

[pese]

@barbosi

also not to use
like negistor you can use
diac diac neon-bulb

but is not Right neg.res.
lamda diodes are better

http://pixerve.de/59336/a-fe-lambda.html
http://pixerve.de/59337/a-fe-lambda.html
http://pixerve.de/59339/a-fe-lambda.html

also read , what you ca fin over KRON  (G.E.)
this is als an better way.
Pese

[Hoppy]

@ barbosi

you cant use this solid state relais at this DC ciruiits .
Also not an 12 Volt
also the are not fast enough.
real contact relais are not to replace
in some circuits !

G.Pese

I think Pese is saying, the solid state relay shown in the photo is not intended for DC opertion as it is marked for AC switching and indicates that its switching voltge range starts above 12V. These relays are made for AC and DC switching. The AC versions typically use Triacs whilst the DC versions use FET's for switching. i'm wondering exactly how this particular relay is working in the circuit.

[legendre]

Ok gents, what am I missing here?

The relay is marked for 4-32V DC (control) and 36-550VAC @10A (load). Where is the "12V" figure coming from?

Also, if it can switch AC, why can't it switch DC? I can see how the opposite wouldn't work (using an SS DC relay to switch AC).. but why would there be a problem with this relay in this circuit?

Are you suggesting BS here? I mean, it does *appear* to work just fine as-is!

[barbosi]

All I was sugesting was:

1. As shown in datasheet, the relay uses Thyristors/triacs which both have a region of negative resistance. Hence a source of free energy might be those components (and I was not commenting if those are the most eficient components among others)

Having said that,

2. A method to determine if the excess of energy is coming from the relay (aka components with negative resistance), might be to replace the relay with another type whith CMOS at the output. This second type of relay should not have that negative resistance, hence the motor should not sustain its motion.

I was only curious if we can determine where is coming from the excess energy. Is the relay or not? Bottom line, the final task of this quest is to identify the source(s) of free energy and how to tap it(them).

All the best.

[thehazepi2]

I would be interested in the following data:
A) energy used to start motor
B) time motor ran
C) RPM recordings throughout run - (does it decay?)
D) energy used to stop motor - (= or > start?)
E) energy stored in capacitor

A - D + E = usable energy / B = KWH

Also would be useful to know if energy from capacitor could be harvested and to what point it could be discharged to and still power the motor.