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Author Topic: Wankel Magnet Motor  (Read 10368 times)

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Wankel Magnet Motor
« on: May 30, 2007, 10:15:17 PM »
Hy,

I hope i post this thread on good section,
I discover yet a part of Berden Website i never seen:
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm

he publish this motor schematic:
(it seem like Harry Paul Sprain.)
(http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/jap/fig8b.jpg)

he said:
"The Magnetic Wankel engine should also be capable of COP >  1.0 and closed-loop self-powering, but apparently it has also been suppressed, as have all Japanese COP > 1.0 EM systems."

What mean "also been suppressed, as have all japanese COP > 1" ?

Here some apparently John Bedini Wankel working Replication:
(http://www.cheniere.org/images/bedwankel04.jpg)
(http://www.cheniere.org/images/bedwankel05.jpg)

Here is an idea of how to "self run" it:

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel.jpg)

Here a first id?ea schematic:

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_schematic.jpg)

What do you think motor and my id?a ?
Does some other replications existes ?
Does my idea is an utopia ?

Molux
« Last Edit: May 30, 2007, 11:57:31 PM by molux »
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« on: May 30, 2007, 10:15:17 PM »
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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2007, 12:50:49 AM »
Build it!
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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2007, 09:55:15 AM »
ASAP!  :)

and share it here with us, open source tech.
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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2007, 12:37:17 PM »
Hy,

:) Yes i want, i prepare my orders to get the material first for building a Bedini's replications, first and SG and if i'm lucky a Rick like replication.

But a magnet more or not or copper wire add in my orders it great to have all material in one time.

So i want to list the material to try it, but if the schematic or first reflexion are not great, i have to do an other, order, with delivery cost, etc...

For example, in our workgroup, Loubar member say that we have to put a diode per energizer coil for they work propely

here the modified schematic:
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_schematic_v2.jpg)

But i have know id?a for begin to get a range of size of coils or diode or transistor, etc...if you have an (in french =>) "intuition", tell me it please ?

If you have some, or you know other replication on the same process, can you tell me ?

Thanks,
Sorry for my expression please

Molux
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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2007, 12:37:17 PM »

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2007, 03:38:55 PM »
Hy,

I find a video under uTube wich show the principe of Wqnkel Magnetic Motor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Z1THqv_G4

Enjoy

Molux
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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2007, 04:08:23 PM »

But i have know id?a for begin to get a range of size of coils or diode or transistor, etc...if you have an (in french =>) "intuition", tell me it please ?

Molux
"intuition" works fine in English. Also "idea".
Why not wind your own coils? Do you have a hand drill or an electric
drill with a speed control? As a starting pooint, have a look at this:
http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/howto/windingcoils.htm

I think this motor of Yasunori Takahashi is very interesting. Anyone who
gave us Betamax video system and neodymium magnets is worth checking
out.
Paul.
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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2007, 06:12:06 PM »
Hello Paul,

Quote
I think this motor of Yasunori Takahashi is very interesting. Anyone who
gave us Betamax video system and neodymium magnets is worth checking
out.

Thanks for this information, perhaps i have to do what you say, i buy several kind of copper wire and i try some setups.

Thanks for intuition ;).
(a new word it's good for my poor english language)

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Documented Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2007, 04:04:47 PM »
I all,

I have collected some interesting informations about Wankel:


Starts:
Apprently, the first inventor of this kind of moteur is Tekko Kure (Japon), Takahashi continue the work under Wankel Magnetic like Paul Sprain or Tom Bearden

Interesting Address:
http://quanthomme.free.fr/energielibre/energie/MG_ReedWerjefelt2.htm
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm
http://ufoenergy.com/magneticgenerator/news_2007-05-11-17-48-07-327.html
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/1979Paper
http://www.callowayengines.com


Some Stator Setup idea
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_stator_setup_1.jpg)
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_stator_setup_2.jpg)


Documents
Here some picture came from the document more down
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_regauging.jpg)

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_simulation.jpg)

You can get it here
http://www.arlingtoninstitute.org/library/LODER.PPT
Or mirrored here:
http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel.pps


Replication
Here some replication

Paul Monus R?plication:
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_replication_paul_monus.jpg)

Paul Sprain R?plication:
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_replication_paul_sprain.jpg)

Ted Loder R?plication
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_replication_ted_loder_1.jpg)
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_replication_ted_loder_2.jpg)

John Bedini / Tom Berarden Replication
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_replication_john_bedini.jpg)

David Scott R?plication
A document about magnetic wabkel for cars:
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_art_1.jpg)
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_art_2.jpg)

Vid?os
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Z1THqv_G4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffFSqsDHWYo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H07vGnZot0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFTlL2sDb-s


I think i'm not alone intersting about this process,  if you have more information or intuition about my suggested modifications, tell me it please

Molux
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Documented Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2007, 04:04:47 PM »

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2007, 12:39:44 AM »
Hy all,

I dont have all material a the moment but i quickly build a small replique for basic testing.

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_01a.jpg)
Assembly replique

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_01b.jpg)
Disassembled replique, in center of stator, the floppy disk driver "ball bearing"

This replique have so many probl?me, the position of magnets (slop) it important and badly build under my little gate.

Here a simple vid?o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soAsTz-eBfo

I have to make some test before put a coil under that

Molux
« Last Edit: June 05, 2007, 03:32:18 PM by molux »
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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2007, 04:05:15 PM »
Hy all,
I dont have all material a the moment but i quickly build a small replique for basic testing......
Molux
If you are looking for good copper enammelled wire, and can find an old
scrapped microwave oven, open it up. Look for the large transformer,
and cut through the steel very carefuylly with an angle grinder. With
a great deal of difficulty you will get to three or more coils, one thick
copper wire, and the others thinner. (Also two ceramic magnets in
the magnetron unit on the side of the cooking chamber.
Paul.
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