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CLaNZeR

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Re: Some photos Al deleted from the ning group
« Reply #190 on: January 07, 2008, 08:18:29 PM »
I don't know what Al's logic is with releasing information and then deleting it, but here are some of the photos he deleted from the ning group. I recovered them from my browser cache. Maybe someone has a complete set.

Thanks for that Kevin

Especially this one as it shows the Dampners perfectly :)

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3871.0;attach=16283;image)

Cheers

Sean.
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Re: Some photos Al deleted from the ning group
« Reply #190 on: January 07, 2008, 08:18:29 PM »
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #191 on: January 07, 2008, 08:23:55 PM »
@ CLaNZaR,

Yeah, good point. I'll just go with what we have now. I will have the blueprints completed this evening to post online.

@ Kevin,

I had all the photos from his website except for that one too. Thanks! I'll add the dampers to my 3D model as well. I am out right now but will post some images of the model when I get home, and the drawings + CAD Docs later tonight.

God Bless,
Jason O
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #192 on: January 07, 2008, 11:24:26 PM »
All,

Stainless steel bearings are non-ferromagnetic and relatively cheap compared to ceramic.
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #193 on: January 07, 2008, 11:50:03 PM »
Having non ferro magnetic bearings is a very good idea.  Having non "conducting" bearings is much better.  If you pass a magnetic field through a conductor, the magnetic field tries to move the electrons through the condutor, this is how generators work.

So, if you have a conductor in the magnetic fields you are whirling around, the fields will move the electrons within the conductor, and cause drag.  Not just with iron, but copper, aluminum or any conductor.  This drag can be small, but perhaps this drag is one of the things that keeps many promising designs from working.  Perhaps.
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #193 on: January 07, 2008, 11:50:03 PM »

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #194 on: January 08, 2008, 12:04:46 AM »
@CLaNZeR,

Just to let you know. K&J are nowhere to be found today. Extended vacation, I guess. Hope it won't affect the delivery of your magnets.
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #195 on: January 08, 2008, 01:54:43 AM »
well this a very interesting video....
lets see....

i noticed that the back stator magnet has less effect on main wheel than the 2 close stator magnets when he spins them in his video.
this could be a slight design flaw...but it might be important!

working with magnets you find that even a 3mm difference in distance with such small magnets equals a lot more or less magnetic force.

the aluminum bars also seem to have some effect on the magnetic flux patterns and not so much a braking effect.
maybe this is part of the key to solving the sticky spot situations with other designs.......

besides the poor lighting and not a full view of this...
it's either the best fake in a while or the real thing...don't get your hope up yet.
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #195 on: January 08, 2008, 01:54:43 AM »
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #196 on: January 08, 2008, 04:20:34 AM »
well this a very interesting video....
lets see....

i noticed that the back stator magnet has less effect on main wheel than the 2 close stator magnets when he spins them in his video.
this could be a slight design flaw...but it might be important!

working with magnets you find that even a 3mm difference in distance with such small magnets equals a lot more or less magnetic force.

the aluminum bars also seem to have some effect on the magnetic flux patterns and not so much a braking effect.
maybe this is part of the key to solving the sticky spot situations with other designs.......

besides the poor lighting and not a full view of this...
it's either the best fake in a while or the real thing...don't get your hope up yet.

@ Crash

I made the same observation and mentioned it today to JDO300 (Jason)  He thought that the reason for less effect of the back stator, when Al was turning each one by hand, could be the effect of the dampners on both sides of that stator.  I agree.  If the distance to the rotor and the back stator is identical as the other two stators, and the magnet is identical on the back stator, which it is, then Jason's conclusion seems reasonable. 

I believe that Al stated that the dampers were added later to slow the RPM's,  (What a great problem to have to overcome!! ) so it is not needed to run..

Lastly, if you read all of the posts, it is an incredible story with a great ending, which is really a new beginning.  IMHO.  Very soon, and Jason will have a detailed set of replication cad drawings, and we can go to town on this project.  I am slowing my other projects (not quitting them!  ;) ), just for this, because of the importance of replication, etc.

Cheers,
Bruce
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #197 on: January 08, 2008, 04:39:43 AM »
Is everyone waiting for magnets?
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #197 on: January 08, 2008, 04:39:43 AM »

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #198 on: January 08, 2008, 06:25:26 AM »
Hi Everyone,

OK, I FINALLY finished the 3D model with all the bells and whistles. I modified the rotor disk dimensions to fit the measurements given by Al. I am now working on drawing up some dimensioned drawings from the 3D model and will be posting those soon. In the mean time, here are a few photos of the model I made.

By the way, I also ordered some magnets from K&J Magnetics today so I'm in as well  :).

God Bless,
Jason O
« Last Edit: January 08, 2008, 09:23:55 PM by Jdo300 »
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #198 on: January 08, 2008, 06:25:26 AM »

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #199 on: January 08, 2008, 09:14:28 AM »
I noticed that the back stator magnet has less effect on main wheel than the 2 close stator magnets when he spins them in his video.
this could be a slight design flaw...but it might be important!

Have a look at the marvelous 3D pictures of Jason.
As you can see there are 8 rotor magnet and 13 stator magnet positions.
It could well be that the top stator magnet of the video is not moving as fast as the lower 2 because of its position w.r.t. the stator magnet at this particular rotor position. So asymmetry could also contribute to be the reason.
Intreging stuff those dampers, I must admit.
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube!!!
« Reply #199 on: January 08, 2008, 09:14:28 AM »
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