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[JAG]

Al just posted this at the Steorn Site.

What I've seen look really good, I think people are doing some impressive work, and I hope having some fun too.

I don't have much time
But here are a few tips

First, safety. Safety First!
--do not leave magnets lying around loose, even for a few moments. They are easy to lose control of, and hot flying pieces and pinch hazards are to be taken seriously. I use metal jar lids as magnet trays.
--do NOT grind, burn, etc. these NdBFe magnets! The dust is toxic and otherwise obnoxious, the fumes are toxic and smelly, etc.
--do not rely on adhesives! use structure to retain magnets against fields and forces.

Next, machining acrylic plastic and polycarbonate:
--Use WD-40 or clean kerosene (NOT GASOLINE OR PETROL!) as a cutting lubricant to keep drills, taps and other tooling cool and cutting well. Beware of alcohols--acrylic crazes and loses strength on exposure to alcohol--even the alcohol in a Sharpie marker will craze the acrylic over time, and cracks will occur. Wash the WD-40 off with dishsoap and warm water.
--plastic supply companies sell special drill bits with a sharper tip angle that won't crack or pull though the plastic. They are well worth the price.
--I usually use bottoming taps even when starting, in plastic, I rarely need the plug tap to start a tapped hole. The bottoming tap makes a better thread I think.

On perseverance:
--It took me literally days of spinning and experimenting before I had a hint that something interesting might be happening--the decreased rotor drag that I first noted before the holidays. After that, more days of trial and error and serendipitous mistakes before I even found the AGW rotation modes. By Accident! So don't get discouraged if nothing seems to work--you may not have the right components or something, or it's not put together right. Recall also that about half my magnet-bearing pairs are ineffective.
--I would guess that most people will get decreased drag and increased rundown times if they get the magnets right. But extended run times like I saw are probably a result of some EM interaction that's happening in my apartment and at work. For sure it isn't anything like OU.

[JAG]

Mark received correct magnets today and installed them and has been testing for several hours, but has not had any self running indications so far. This is what we all need to replicated the results seen on the original and only video shown on Youtube.
1. RPM of rotor and RPM of stator when the system gets in "tune" and starts to accelerate.
2. A new video with good lighting and the bottom side of the rotor shown during operation as well as side views during operation.
3. A new video showing the rotor up to speed and staying there for a time limited only by the size of the video files Youtube will allow.
4. If possible the name and a way of contacting "OC" by phone so the replication project can be approached in a "normal" professional
matter. If you will notice, on Sterling Allen's site, people give their full names as is a practice in the scientific community. It would give this site more creditability with venture captialist's and the scientific community in general. If someone is worried about "big oil" finding out who they are, well it would only take them one phone call and one hour to find out where anyone on this list lives. You can do that when you have endless billions of dollars at your disposal. I also believe that not giving all infomation to the public and being the only one with that information puts a person or persons in a very dangerous position where "big oil" is concerned. The best way is to get the information out to millions and then there is nothing to be accomplished by going to the original inventor. In fact, it just draws more attention to the situation. The web is the achilles heel for the powers that be, so take advantage of it.
5. In closing, videos taken if different locations, parking lot, or with a number of people in attendance would get more people to attempt replication. The LaFonte group has always had a policy that if we get a self runner, anyone can come by and see it operating and to a degree examine it. I feel certain that main stream science is ready to accept us if we just conduct ourselfs the way all scientists do when they have a breakthrough. They publish papers with their real names on it after patents are filed if they are seeking a patent. If not they just publish them for open sourcing.
We are spending lots of money, time, and energy trying to replicate many different designs as well as our own designs. I feel it's time overunity research everywhere became more like Sterling Allen's site
with peoples real names and then they could be contacted by parties they would be interested in speaking with.
I short, I think our movement has some growing up to do, myself included. Lets stop hiding, come out in the open, be professional, real people, using real names and we will become accepted more by the world at large. This is scientific research, not a club house.
This is my personal opinion, I have not discussed this with any LaFonte Group members before posting this.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
 

Butch...Overconfident asked me to post this here in response

My response to #4 above:

I had an idea inspired by a dream. I have spent several months of my time just trying to get someone to consider the idea. Al is the only person who has. I do not have the education, knowledge, skills, or desire to develop this myself. I don't want money or fame, just someone to give some serious consideration to the idea I posted here. Talking with me would serve no purpose. I prefer to remain anonymous.

[dean_mcgowan]

@Butch,

Never thought I would say this, I agree with you totally on these issues. People hiding in the shadows makes me feel..
well, distrustful. People should have the courage of their convictions, you know, it's still ok to be wrong. To err is human, etc etc..

Nuf Said

Dean

[schoolboy2000]

Butch,

I volunteer to witness it when you get it working. I say "when" because I really have faith you and others will be able to replicate Al's work.

[Grimer]

Butch,

I volunteer to witness it when you get it working. I say "when" because I really have faith you and others will be able to replicate Al's work.

An anonymous witness isn't much use is it. 

[schoolboy2000]

Grimer,

It wouldn't be anonymous if I witnessed it, I'd obviously disclose, although that won't drive away the skeptics, it's more of an offer to satisfy my own curiosity and "maybe" provide some support. But, it's more than any other video or projects have provided since none of them that I've seen have any witnesses or after the fact confirmation.

[CLaNZeR]

Mark received correct magnets today and installed them and has been testing for several hours, but has not had any self running indications so far. This is what we all need to replicated the results seen on the original and only video shown on Youtube.
Butch LaFonte

Hi Butch

Could you let Mark know that his Spam Filter on his Email is stopping me from replying to him.
The emails I send just get bounced back.

Cheers

Sean.

[JAG]

posted at the Steorn forum

CommentAuthoroldHorseface CommentTime1 hour ago edited  permalink
I have build a quick and funky new system where I get a short burst of acceleration, then a sustained speed for 10 seconds, then it slows down to stop in 20 seconds.
My stator is the same one from my Lego setup, but my rotor is 12" in diameter with 12 magnets facing outward alternating north-south. (unlike the OCAL system or my last Lego setup)
I think if anyone is getting AGW lock, you got it happening, you just need to reduce friction and tweek your alignment.
As AL said, the distance between rotor and stator is citical and different for every type of system. Anyone building a test jig should make that distance variable.
I am going out to Burbank tomorrow to get more magnets (disc neos) and try some more things.
I have seen energy from permanent magnets! I think I'm going to cry.

[xumed]

CommentAuthoroldHorseface CommentTime1 hour ago edited  permalink
I have build a quick and funky new system where I get a short burst of acceleration, then a sustained speed for 10 seconds, then it slows down to stop in 20 seconds.
My stator is the same one from my Lego setup, but my rotor is 12" in diameter with 12 magnets facing outward alternating north-south. (unlike the OCAL system or my last Lego setup)
I think if anyone is getting AGW lock, you got it happening, you just need to reduce friction and tweek your alignment.
As AL said, the distance between rotor and stator is citical and different for every type of system. Anyone building a test jig should make that distance variable.
I am going out to Burbank tomorrow to get more magnets (disc neos) and try some more things.
I have seen energy from permanent magnets! I think I'm going to cry.

The burst of acceleration, is that just the stator magnet ?

If it is this would be expected until the stator speed matches the rotor speed (probably by the ratio most mention of 1:4). Spinning the stator AGW fast enough gets it going inphase and latching in AGW rotation, then it would accelerate under the force of the rotor magnets until it reaches a stable speed.

What would be really interesting is if the rotor was seen to accelerate more so than the stators.

[Rosphere]

Does anyone have any thoughts about the following detail that I noticed in Al's video:

At the point when he stops the two 'coasting' stators with his thumbs, I noticed that one happens to stop with its white-half towards the rotor while the other happens to stop with its black-half towards the rotor.  Then we hear it accelerate.  Then he lets go.

I expected to see the stators start spinning again.  Maybe the rotor was moving too fast.  The stators just sat there, with one exception; the 'black-half in-facing' stator does not move, while the 'white-half in-facing' stator slowly rolls over 180 degrees and stops to present its black-half towards the rotor, making two 'black-half in-facing' stators.  The rotor is balanced magnetically, what is causing this bias?

Ponder that while I slave away for the man all day.