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argona369

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #860 on: January 15, 2008, 03:48:44 PM »
Al just posted this at the Steorn Site.

What I've seen look really good, I think people are doing some impressive work, and I hope having some fun too.

I don't have much time
But here are a few tips

First, safety. Safety First!
--do not leave magnets lying around loose, even for a few moments. They are easy to lose control of, and hot flying pieces and pinch hazards are to be taken seriously. I use metal jar lids as magnet trays.
--do NOT grind, burn, etc. these NdBFe magnets! The dust is toxic and otherwise obnoxious, the fumes are toxic and smelly, etc.
--do not rely on adhesives! use structure to retain magnets against fields and forces.

Next, machining acrylic plastic and polycarbonate:
--Use WD-40 or clean kerosene (NOT GASOLINE OR PETROL!) as a cutting lubricant to keep drills, taps and other tooling cool and cutting well. Beware of alcohols--acrylic crazes and loses strength on exposure to alcohol--even the alcohol in a Sharpie marker will craze the acrylic over time, and cracks will occur. Wash the WD-40 off with dishsoap and warm water.
--plastic supply companies sell special drill bits with a sharper tip angle that won't crack or pull though the plastic. They are well worth the price.
--I usually use bottoming taps even when starting, in plastic, I rarely need the plug tap to start a tapped hole. The bottoming tap makes a better thread I think.

On perseverance:
--It took me literally days of spinning and experimenting before I had a hint that something interesting might be happening--the decreased rotor drag that I first noted before the holidays. After that, more days of trial and error and serendipitous mistakes before I even found the AGW rotation modes. By Accident! So don't get discouraged if nothing seems to work--you may not have the right components or something, or it's not put together right. Recall also that about half my magnet-bearing pairs are ineffective.
--I would guess that most people will get decreased drag and increased rundown times if they get the magnets right. But extended run times like I saw are probably a result of some EM interaction that's happening in my apartment and at work. For sure it isn't anything like OU.


>For sure it isn't anything like OU

Ummm, not OU?
That is a interesting statement that someone would make
only if the knew (for sure) that it wasn?t OU?
sounds like a game to me.

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #860 on: January 15, 2008, 03:48:44 PM »
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #861 on: January 15, 2008, 04:03:39 PM »
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Ummm, not OU?
That is a interesting statement that someone would make
only if the knew (for sure) that it wasn?t OU?
sounds like a game to me.

It's starting to sound that way to me too. For someone who has invented the greatest thing since fire, he is awfully casual about it.
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ken_nyus

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #862 on: January 15, 2008, 04:05:24 PM »
@Crashuni1
Here's another Drawing of the Rotor Jason did an excellent job, but i alway work up my own so I can do amendments if needed.

Thanks Jason
Bill

I guess that is yet another way to interpret the 2.5" spacing of the rotor mags, you take it to mean 2.5" to one of the corners of the octagon, not the flat face.
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #863 on: January 15, 2008, 04:24:30 PM »
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Ummm, not OU?

Sure NOT OU. Energy comes from the magnets! If we would be able to calculate maximal amount of energy what we can extract from the magnets and the energy extracted by this device, we would see - it should be not OU.  ;D
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« Reply #863 on: January 15, 2008, 04:24:30 PM »

argona369

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #864 on: January 15, 2008, 04:43:34 PM »
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Ummm, not OU?

Sure NOT OU. Energy comes from the magnets! If we would be able to calculate maximal amount of energy what we can extract from the magnets and the energy extracted by this device, we would see - it should be not OU.  ;D

Ok, then would he be willing to call it  ?free energy??
Or, is it more conventional say, equal to the degaussing of the magnets.
I.e. ?using up? the energy used to magnetize the magnets.
Over-unity  and free energy are synonyms in my mind,
Which could be argued  endlessly (and pointlessly as well).
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #865 on: January 15, 2008, 05:04:33 PM »
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Ummm, not OU?

Sure NOT OU. Energy comes from the magnets!
The amount of energy magnets have is negligible. If the energy came from the magnets then the magnets would loose their magnetisation. They don't.

The energy comes through the magnets from the surrounding environment, the magnetic potential the magnetic pressure. The magnets are releasing that potential, that pressure like a tap releasing the pressure in the mains.

Jag had the right idea, the right appreciation of things. He wrote:
 ooooooooooI have seen energy from permanent magnets! I think I'm going to cry.
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« Reply #865 on: January 15, 2008, 05:04:33 PM »
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #866 on: January 15, 2008, 05:11:26 PM »
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Ummm, not OU?

Sure NOT OU. Energy comes from the magnets! If we would be able to calculate maximal amount of energy what we can extract from the magnets and the energy extracted by this device, we would see - it should be not OU.  ;D

Ok, then would he be willing to call it  ?free energy??
Or, is it more conventional say, equal to the degaussing of the magnets.
I.e. ?using up? the energy used to magnetize the magnets.
Over-unity  and free energy are synonyms in my mind,
Which could be argued  endlessly (and pointlessly as well).
The energy comes from a potential source that, till now, we had not learned to tap.

Now we have.
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #867 on: January 15, 2008, 05:13:02 PM »
Yet another update.

The HDPE 20mm Sheet and Rod arrived today, so have knocked up a Rotor and some new Stator holders:

First I cut the Rod into 16mm lengths.
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/Snr1.jpg)

Then I drilled them out with 6mm all the way through and 12.5mm 6mm deep.
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/Snr2.jpg)

Magnets fitted nice and snug.
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/Snr3.jpg)

Bearings again fitted great.
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/Snr4.jpg)

Next I lathed some 8mm Brass Rods for the shafts.
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/Snr5.jpg)

I threaded the bottoms of the shafts so they can mount on my base using 3mm brass screws.
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/Snr6.jpg)

Next I cut out the 20mm Rotor and weighed it up.
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/snr7.jpg)

Rotor fitted and Stators all in place.
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/Snr8.jpg)

I am waiting now for some 6mm * 13mm Rod magnets to arrive, but may try the Cubes again, but this time only using 2 on each edge rather than 3.

Cheers

Sean.
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #867 on: January 15, 2008, 05:13:02 PM »

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #868 on: January 15, 2008, 05:19:19 PM »
Looks Real Nice Sean looking forward to results. My Update is mine already and still waiting for Stator magnets. I thought last night but very slow coming for my location. I had 2" rod and what a mess to lathe it down, but did it.

Cheers
Wayne
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« Reply #868 on: January 15, 2008, 05:19:19 PM »

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #869 on: January 15, 2008, 05:45:12 PM »
hi sean , built a few more of my mk1 stators using 2 separate 4 x5 neos in a wheel. while they all look identical, i have one of the three that does a AGW spin with a tickle. just bear that in mind wen testing and test all stators for performance, some work better than others lol
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« Reply #869 on: January 15, 2008, 05:45:12 PM »
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