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[schoolboy2000]

Grimer,

It wouldn't be anonymous if I witnessed it, I'd obviously disclose, although that won't drive away the skeptics, it's more of an offer to satisfy my own curiosity and "maybe" provide some support. But, it's more than any other video or projects have provided since none of them that I've seen have any witnesses or after the fact confirmation.

[CLaNZeR]

Mark received correct magnets today and installed them and has been testing for several hours, but has not had any self running indications so far. This is what we all need to replicated the results seen on the original and only video shown on Youtube.
Butch LaFonte

Hi Butch

Could you let Mark know that his Spam Filter on his Email is stopping me from replying to him.
The emails I send just get bounced back.

Cheers

Sean.

[JAG]

posted at the Steorn forum

CommentAuthoroldHorseface CommentTime1 hour ago edited  permalink
I have build a quick and funky new system where I get a short burst of acceleration, then a sustained speed for 10 seconds, then it slows down to stop in 20 seconds.
My stator is the same one from my Lego setup, but my rotor is 12" in diameter with 12 magnets facing outward alternating north-south. (unlike the OCAL system or my last Lego setup)
I think if anyone is getting AGW lock, you got it happening, you just need to reduce friction and tweek your alignment.
As AL said, the distance between rotor and stator is citical and different for every type of system. Anyone building a test jig should make that distance variable.
I am going out to Burbank tomorrow to get more magnets (disc neos) and try some more things.
I have seen energy from permanent magnets! I think I'm going to cry.

[xumed]

CommentAuthoroldHorseface CommentTime1 hour ago edited  permalink
I have build a quick and funky new system where I get a short burst of acceleration, then a sustained speed for 10 seconds, then it slows down to stop in 20 seconds.
My stator is the same one from my Lego setup, but my rotor is 12" in diameter with 12 magnets facing outward alternating north-south. (unlike the OCAL system or my last Lego setup)
I think if anyone is getting AGW lock, you got it happening, you just need to reduce friction and tweek your alignment.
As AL said, the distance between rotor and stator is citical and different for every type of system. Anyone building a test jig should make that distance variable.
I am going out to Burbank tomorrow to get more magnets (disc neos) and try some more things.
I have seen energy from permanent magnets! I think I'm going to cry.

The burst of acceleration, is that just the stator magnet ?

If it is this would be expected until the stator speed matches the rotor speed (probably by the ratio most mention of 1:4). Spinning the stator AGW fast enough gets it going inphase and latching in AGW rotation, then it would accelerate under the force of the rotor magnets until it reaches a stable speed.

What would be really interesting is if the rotor was seen to accelerate more so than the stators.

[Rosphere]

Does anyone have any thoughts about the following detail that I noticed in Al's video:

At the point when he stops the two 'coasting' stators with his thumbs, I noticed that one happens to stop with its white-half towards the rotor while the other happens to stop with its black-half towards the rotor.  Then we hear it accelerate.  Then he lets go.

I expected to see the stators start spinning again.  Maybe the rotor was moving too fast.  The stators just sat there, with one exception; the 'black-half in-facing' stator does not move, while the 'white-half in-facing' stator slowly rolls over 180 degrees and stops to present its black-half towards the rotor, making two 'black-half in-facing' stators.  The rotor is balanced magnetically, what is causing this bias?

Ponder that while I slave away for the man all day. 

[argona369]

Al just posted this at the Steorn Site.

What I've seen look really good, I think people are doing some impressive work, and I hope having some fun too.

I don't have much time
But here are a few tips

First, safety. Safety First!
--do not leave magnets lying around loose, even for a few moments. They are easy to lose control of, and hot flying pieces and pinch hazards are to be taken seriously. I use metal jar lids as magnet trays.
--do NOT grind, burn, etc. these NdBFe magnets! The dust is toxic and otherwise obnoxious, the fumes are toxic and smelly, etc.
--do not rely on adhesives! use structure to retain magnets against fields and forces.

Next, machining acrylic plastic and polycarbonate:
--Use WD-40 or clean kerosene (NOT GASOLINE OR PETROL!) as a cutting lubricant to keep drills, taps and other tooling cool and cutting well. Beware of alcohols--acrylic crazes and loses strength on exposure to alcohol--even the alcohol in a Sharpie marker will craze the acrylic over time, and cracks will occur. Wash the WD-40 off with dishsoap and warm water.
--plastic supply companies sell special drill bits with a sharper tip angle that won't crack or pull though the plastic. They are well worth the price.
--I usually use bottoming taps even when starting, in plastic, I rarely need the plug tap to start a tapped hole. The bottoming tap makes a better thread I think.

On perseverance:
--It took me literally days of spinning and experimenting before I had a hint that something interesting might be happening--the decreased rotor drag that I first noted before the holidays. After that, more days of trial and error and serendipitous mistakes before I even found the AGW rotation modes. By Accident! So don't get discouraged if nothing seems to work--you may not have the right components or something, or it's not put together right. Recall also that about half my magnet-bearing pairs are ineffective.
--I would guess that most people will get decreased drag and increased rundown times if they get the magnets right. But extended run times like I saw are probably a result of some EM interaction that's happening in my apartment and at work. For sure it isn't anything like OU.

>For sure it isn't anything like OU

Ummm, not OU?
That is a interesting statement that someone would make
only if the knew (for sure) that it wasn?t OU?
sounds like a game to me.

[canam101]

Ummm, not OU?
That is a interesting statement that someone would make
only if the knew (for sure) that it wasn?t OU?
sounds like a game to me.

It's starting to sound that way to me too. For someone who has invented the greatest thing since fire, he is awfully casual about it.

[ken_nyus]

@Crashuni1
Here's another Drawing of the Rotor Jason did an excellent job, but i alway work up my own so I can do amendments if needed.

Thanks Jason
Bill

I guess that is yet another way to interpret the 2.5" spacing of the rotor mags, you take it to mean 2.5" to one of the corners of the octagon, not the flat face.

[Jinis]

Ummm, not OU?

Sure NOT OU. Energy comes from the magnets! If we would be able to calculate maximal amount of energy what we can extract from the magnets and the energy extracted by this device, we would see - it should be not OU. 

[argona369]

Ummm, not OU?

Sure NOT OU. Energy comes from the magnets! If we would be able to calculate maximal amount of energy what we can extract from the magnets and the energy extracted by this device, we would see - it should be not OU. 

Ok, then would he be willing to call it  ?free energy??
Or, is it more conventional say, equal to the degaussing of the magnets.
I.e. ?using up? the energy used to magnetize the magnets.
Over-unity  and free energy are synonyms in my mind,
Which could be argued  endlessly (and pointlessly as well).

[Grimer]

Ummm, not OU?

Sure NOT OU. Energy comes from the magnets!

The amount of energy magnets have is negligible. If the energy came from the magnets then the magnets would loose their magnetisation. They don't.

The energy comes through the magnets from the surrounding environment, the magnetic potential the magnetic pressure. The magnets are releasing that potential, that pressure like a tap releasing the pressure in the mains.

Jag had the right idea, the right appreciation of things. He wrote:
 ooooooooooI have seen energy from permanent magnets! I think I'm going to cry.

[Grimer]

Ummm, not OU?

Sure NOT OU. Energy comes from the magnets! If we would be able to calculate maximal amount of energy what we can extract from the magnets and the energy extracted by this device, we would see - it should be not OU. 

Ok, then would he be willing to call it  ?free energy??
Or, is it more conventional say, equal to the degaussing of the magnets.
I.e. ?using up? the energy used to magnetize the magnets.
Over-unity  and free energy are synonyms in my mind,
Which could be argued  endlessly (and pointlessly as well).

The energy comes from a potential source that, till now, we had not learned to tap.

Now we have.

[CLaNZeR]

Yet another update.

The HDPE 20mm Sheet and Rod arrived today, so have knocked up a Rotor and some new Stator holders:

First I cut the Rod into 16mm lengths.
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/Snr1.jpg)

Then I drilled them out with 6mm all the way through and 12.5mm 6mm deep.
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/Snr2.jpg)

Magnets fitted nice and snug.
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/Snr3.jpg)

Bearings again fitted great.
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/Snr4.jpg)

Next I lathed some 8mm Brass Rods for the shafts.
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/Snr5.jpg)

I threaded the bottoms of the shafts so they can mount on my base using 3mm brass screws.
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/Snr6.jpg)

Next I cut out the 20mm Rotor and weighed it up.
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/snr7.jpg)

Rotor fitted and Stators all in place.
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/Snr8.jpg)

I am waiting now for some 6mm * 13mm Rod magnets to arrive, but may try the Cubes again, but this time only using 2 on each edge rather than 3.

Cheers

Sean.

[magpower]

Looks Real Nice Sean looking forward to results. My Update is mine already and still waiting for Stator magnets. I thought last night but very slow coming for my location. I had 2" rod and what a mess to lathe it down, but did it.

Cheers
Wayne

[Craigy]

hi sean , built a few more of my mk1 stators using 2 separate 4 x5 neos in a wheel. while they all look identical, i have one of the three that does a AGW spin with a tickle. just bear that in mind wen testing and test all stators for performance, some work better than others lol