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[blue_energy]

...so 258 grams seems somewhat confirmed.

Oh!  And someone later points out (can't remember who - sorry) that the rotor weight can't be right for this calculation because it isn't considering the weight of the magnets.

<Edit Much Later>

I found this just now from Al on Jan. 6th on the Whipmag development discussion:

Mass of rotor assembly, including magnets and shaft adapter, but not including shaft or bearings:
258 grams.

Mass of stator magnet assembly, including holder, magnet, and bearing:
10 grams. Variation between the 13 units is below the resolution of my (home) scale.

...so, the comment about the 258 grams not including the magnets was incorrect.

[Craigy]

I believe the wieght of the stator was 10 grams, the magnet is 5 , so combined wieght of bearing and holder would be just over 5. I say just over because the inner portion of the bearing does not move

[geodan]

That would be Behind Enemy Lines ...

Found here:

http://www.hotmoviesale.com/dvds/6659/1/Behind-Enemy-Lines.jpg

maybe someone could post a picture of a ruler on the DVD? might give us a little more perspective here and there...

[Jinis]

CLaNZeR nice engineering work!! If the distance to the rotor playes the role here (see attached)? It is bigger that on ALs device??

[hydrocontrol]

It appears to be slightly different camera angles. Al's is off to the side while CLaNZeR is straight down.
This would make it appear that Al's stator is closer to the rotor than it really is.

CLaNZeR nice engineering work!! If the distance to the rotor playes the role here (see attached)? It is bigger that on ALs device??

[vipond50]

It appears to be slightly different camera angles. Al's is off to the side while CLaNZeR is straight down.
This would make it appear that Al's stator is closer to the rotor than it really is.

CLaNZeR nice engineering work!! If the distance to the rotor playes the role here (see attached)? It is bigger that on ALs device??

Also that Al used a N35 ? and Sean is utilizing a N42 would change the air gap.
B.

[sterlinga]

John Depew wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4B_Lj1JM6g

"This is a much better example of my individual work involving Natural Harmonic Magnetic Communication Principles.The other video was posted was from someone I had trained a few months ago(in trust)in regards to some of these wonderful principles.That video is a very very poor example/expression of my work so I'm sending you a better example here."

/END QUOTE

I posted this to: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MPMM:Data#Magnetic_Sync

In sending a copy of this to Overconfident via Bcc, I received the following message back:


----- Original Message -----
From: [overconfident]
To: <sterlingda [at] pureenergysystems.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:15 PM
Subject: Yahoo! Auto Response


Sorry, but Overconfident's email account is no longer active. See you in another life.

[wildgunz]

@CLaNZer, I'm Looking at AL's rotor and the slots that hold the mags go all the way through.I'm wondering if there is some kind of effect on the stator mags.Such as a push from traped air, or vacuum as it passes?Just guessing....

[starcruiser]

guys,

I was looking at the stills and videos of Al's unit again and it seems to me that some of the rotor magnets are not centered, or so it seems. can some one take a look and confirm this? I was wondering if this "imbalance" of the magnets may be a key.

[Butch LaFonte]

After building a near perfect replication of the OC video machine and testing for two days, we have had no indication of self running or acceleration or overunity. Will continue testing for a reasonable time.
I hope I'm wrong but I have a feeling that if I go to this site fifteen years from now, there will be a small group of guys still trying to get this device to work.
Our group has made the decision that we will not replicate any device in the future who's builder or inventor does not disclose their full name and will not allow public viewing of the device. It's such a childish way to go about things. We will just let other people invest their time, energy and money doing it.
Butch LaFonte

[Bruce_TPU]

@ blue_

Thanks for the magnet links last night!

I have now ordered my N35 magnets.  Now I will be able to test with boths strengths.  I just have a funny feeling that the N35 is what is needed, and what was used. 

It is obvious from Al's information that this is all about fine tuning, so perhaps with the N35, I can tune to the effect.     They will be arriving next week.

Cheers,

Bruce 

[CLaNZeR]

Seems harder to get these new Stator Magnets to latch compared to the Bodged Stators I used before the correct ones turn up.

Spent a couple of hours inserting washers one at a time making the Stators Higher or Lower to try and get the easiest config and also moving the Airgap distance bit by bit, bloody boring stuff I will tell ya LOL

This was without the HDPE surround.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSMkHD3YGHU

Better Resolution at

http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/tests/CLaNZeRSOCMPMMNewStators.wmv

Cheers

Sean.

[Craigy]

Unfortunately no replication can be a true replication. There are lots of un knowns.

The magnets on the rotor, Size yes , type no , test all neos in the size 1/2 by 1/4 inch, i.e n35 , n38, n40,
Find optimum stator spacing
Find optimum air gap
Find optimum stator hieght to rotor.
Be faithfull to the wieghts of rotor and stator.

Examine stators to find out what magnetic friction is present. Replacing bearings with better ones could alter the stator reponse curve to nullify the effect.

Lastly , the neos used in the rotor were old surpplus ones, Perhaps you need to take hammer to them to weaken them before installing. So if you think that in 2 days of testing you will get it to work all i can say is good luck

[sveinutne]

I have looked at Al?s and CLaNZeRS pictures of the magnets at the close passing.
Maybe this is the sync point where most of the action is taking place. The stator is almost brought to a stop at this point. When the rotor has past by some degrees, the stator is accelerated away from the rotor. Then the stator can turn 180 degrees before it is almost stopped again by the passing of the next magnet. This is the case if the stator is rotating 4 times faster then the rotor, when we use eight magnets on the rotor.
If the stator is turning much faster the magnet can turn 180 degrees plus n*360 degrees. So the next sync speed will be 12:1 and then 20:1.

Al mention that he could make the stator sync at 4:1 and 12:1, and that fits nicely with this theory.

I am looking forward till the day we get detailed info of the position of the stator magnet between to rotor magnets.

Svein

[CLaNZeR]

From my notes, Al's rotor was 258 grams.

Thanks Ken

Cheers

Sean.