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Author Topic: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??  (Read 149024 times)

CLaNZeR

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1240 on: January 19, 2008, 08:53:08 PM »
@CLaNZeR,

Did you observe a similar effect with the original @alsetalokin's 13-station base?

@Omnibus

You stated you have your rig and that:

I want to report that the initial experiments are very promising. After the initial spin a definite acceleration is observed which so far still cannot be sustained as long as @alsetalonkin's but the effect is definitely there. I will restrain at this point from posting a video or quantitative results which I will present to you later.

Could you please report your findings as well mate, we are all in this together and it is good to share :)

Cheers

Sean.

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« Reply #1240 on: January 19, 2008, 08:53:08 PM »
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1241 on: January 19, 2008, 08:53:31 PM »
@CLaNZeR,

Same here. I've a very similar experience to yours. Waiting for my tachometer to arrive to get some more definitive picture of what's happening. Wish I had a RS-232 tachometer.
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1242 on: January 19, 2008, 08:55:04 PM »
Oops ... postings crossed in the mail ... I think I just replied to that. Wish I had some quantitative results at hand to report.

Qualitatively, it appears that the effect kicks in for a few seconds and then the contraption again goes out of sync to kick in again later for a few seconds as it winds down. This needs to be observed quantitatively, though. One thing is for sure, many times the smooth wind down of a lone rotor (not surrounded by stator magnets) differs substantially from the wind down of the rotor with stator magnets placed at certain positions. Detecting acceleration during these hitches quantitatively  will be most significant.
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1243 on: January 19, 2008, 08:59:47 PM »
Testing by varying the height and distance of the stator is essential, of course.

Apparantly no one has yet considered changing the angle of the stator axle.  Having all the magnets spinning in the same plane almost guarantees no power gain.  This one dimensional approach has consistently failed.

Theory: 

Al's device "worked" because his stator was accidentally mounted at a slight angle.  Optimizing this angle will produce more power than you know what to do with.  When you build your computer controled machine to vary the distance and height of the stator, be sure to include rotation in two axis as well.  Working with the stator axle always straight up and down limits you to one dimension, when you should be thinking in at least three.  Placing the stator at an angle to the rotor changes everything.  This is why you see some replications work and others fail.  While everyone is trying to be "exact" and keeping the rotor and stator parallel, the only ones that come close to working are the ones with the stator "a little bit off".  Make it a little bit more "off" and see what happens.
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« Reply #1243 on: January 19, 2008, 08:59:47 PM »

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« Reply #1244 on: January 19, 2008, 09:06:24 PM »
@DA,

We're trying to be as true to the original as possible. Modifications later. Where did  you see that the stator is at an angle with respect to the rotor?
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1245 on: January 19, 2008, 09:08:42 PM »
Hi Omni,

Can you please post a picture of your rig ?

Cheers,

Dean
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1246 on: January 19, 2008, 09:12:59 PM »
@dean_mcgowan,

Actually there are two rigs made exactly according to the specifications except for the rotor magnets in the second rig which are the recommended rectangular magnets but not the cylindrical magnets as in @alsetalokin's video. Will post it later when I have some quantitative results.
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1247 on: January 19, 2008, 09:16:48 PM »
@DA,

We're trying to be as true to the original as possible. Modifications later. Where did  you see that the stator is at an angle with respect to the rotor?

Where did you see that the stator is NOT at an angle?
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« Reply #1247 on: January 19, 2008, 09:16:48 PM »

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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1248 on: January 19, 2008, 09:20:35 PM »
Theory: 

Al's device "worked" because his stator was accidentally mounted at a slight angle.  Optimizing this angle will produce more power than you know what to do with.  When you build your computer controled machine to vary the distance and height of the stator, be sure to include rotation in two axis as well.  Working with the stator axle always straight up and down limits you to one dimension, when you should be thinking in at least three.  Placing the stator at an angle to the rotor changes everything.  This is why you see some replications work and others fail.  While everyone is trying to be "exact" and keeping the rotor and stator parallel, the only ones that come close to working are the ones with the stator "a little bit off".  Make it a little bit more "off" and see what happens.

Tried the wobbly effect and could not even get a AGW sync.

I messed up a few rotors as the Drill Stand was not secure and the Top hole to bottom hole over a 20mm Distance was 1.5mm out which made hell of a wobbly Rotor  ;D ;D

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/wobbly.jpg)

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« Reply #1248 on: January 19, 2008, 09:20:35 PM »

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« Reply #1249 on: January 19, 2008, 09:21:21 PM »
@DA,

Now, that's really a metaphysical exchange. That rotor and stator are parallel is assumed, otherwise it would've been emphasized prominently. It hasn't been. I'd be amazed if anyone but you would insist they are not parallel. On the other hand, you may be right--remember @xpenzif's stator magnets also weren't parallel to the rotor.
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Re: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??
« Reply #1249 on: January 19, 2008, 09:21:21 PM »
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