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[Butch LaFonte]

This should be a lesson for everyone. It is a red flag when ever someone wants you to spend your time, money, and energy, but will not use their real name or give an email address or allow you to come to their shop. You are probably dealing with a kid who should be out with a girl on a date, but has chosen to spend time on his computer instead.
The polar ice caps are melting, the Greenland ice sheet is melting, and we get this behavior usually only seen in ten year old children.
Butch LaFonte
Notice: Adults needed for the free energy movement, must use real name and contact information.

[vipond50]

Atleast I knwow why mine did not work.

Why should yours not work ? I recognized an acceleration on your video named CLaNzErSlatch4.mgp or was it only my imagination ?
For a short time you gain a bit kinetic energy with this acceleration...

I think it is only a question of the adjustment !

Hi Frederic

Do not worry I am not quiting yet, it was a joke

Also people need to know the story and threads over the last couple of days at Steorn forums before they come to a decision on what AL means by this video.
Would of been nice if he put a voice over it and explained that but like everything these days, people never seem to just want to come out and say what they mean hehe .

It is all a bit of fun to me and I have tried to build many a worse idea than this over time 

Gonna have a break before I start doing what I planned on here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giR97ydMY2I as not much sleep latley and got too catch up on some Normal Life things.

Cheers

Sean.

Hi Sean
Glad to here you are not shelving this project. After what i have seen with my rep I will be continuing the work also.
Thanks for posting the vids BTW.

Happy Testing
Bill

[Mr.Entropy]

Notice: Adults needed for the free energy movement, must use real name and contact information.

Bah, if you require contributors to be willing to damage their professional careers, or leave themselves open to easy persecution by weirdos, then you'll have far fewer contributors.

[g4macdad]

Notice: Adults needed for the free energy movement, must use real name and contact information.

Bah, if you require contributors to be willing to damage their professional careers, or leave themselves open to easy persecution by weirdos, then you'll have far fewer contributors.

Does this guy "Butch" work for Exxon or what? Gimme a break bro!

[geodan]

Well seeing as this huge drama has gone to the garbage, it needed a supporting big budget trailer. So I made this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOEfkESHb0w

 

OH gawwwd! LOL!!! that was geat! I think that we all really need that this morning after the intensity of the last couple of weeks and last nights drama,  Thanks for putting that together and sharing!!

There is lot's of background and many many things to consider about this project and the people involved, none of it is black and white, not the device and certainly not the personalities.. I for one am not in any position to judge anyone, least of all Al...

I hope that we have not seen the last of Al and OC, my guess is that the original device had served it's purpose and was due for some serious re engineering anyway... I hope that we see a "re birth" , consider the story line...

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm going ahead with my plans to build one and tinker with it... I hope that other's do too. what do we really have to loose?? and look at what we're learning along the way...

@Butch, I think that we're all adults here, capable of doing our own thinking and drawing our own conclusions, thanks fo the lecture, but no thanks...in this case   "I reject your reality and substitute my own".

Many thanks to everyone that's contributed and worked so hard to bring this project this far. and a special thanks to Overconfident and Alsetalokin for sharing their dreams with us and giving us hope.

[HyTower]

Hi all
I am not giving up either, most of my parts should be here on Monday.
I hope their is going to be somebody here to help me?
HT

[blue_energy]

What is the fascination that so many people have with soiling the potential of something new and good?  In reading through posts, one wonders of what else their lives consist?  Such an enormous portion of personal time spent online seeking out ideas and people to destroy.  If they feel they know for sure that it isn't real - they could simply stop paying attention.  Ferreting out the truth may be their stated goal - but their hidden one is the thrill of destroying the person or their idea - any person or idea, it doesn't really matter who or what - it's the potential for anonymous personal destruction which attracts them.

That having been said, the Steorn Forum has become a locus for people who engage in this.  Surely Al recognises this.  He had to know that anyone sticking their head up there would attract the pack.  Considering that - that he would just, you know, take his ball and go home...  To give in to them?  To let them win?  Very disappointing.  It's the first thing he's done in all of this that seems to me to lack integrity - and it causes me to wonder, for the first time, whether he played it straight from the beginning.

Of course, that also shows that I'm waaaay too involved, as a bystander, in this drama.  I wish the replicators success in duplicating whatever it was that Al ash-canned!

By the way - great video, plasmasd!  "With great power comes great responsibility", indeed!  I had to watch it several times, I laughed so hard.

[Omnibus]

@CLaNZeR,

Can you show the readings on your laser tachometer when carrying out the experiments shown here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6QzU9etlmQ

Would be good if you can plot the rpm vs. time.

Also, did you try yet running it with your new addition allowing variable distances between the rotor and the stator?

[Omnibus]

@CLaNZeR,

Did you observe a similar effect with the original @alsetalokin's 13-station base?

[CLaNZeR]

Can you show the readings on your laser tachometer when carrying out the experiments shown here:

Would be good if you can plot the rpm vs. time.

Like yourself mate I will do when I have got something exciting to report.

At the moment I have a number of different rigs I am swapping stuff between and reporting any weird effects.

The main problem has been that it is very hit and miss to get the latching as others replicating will tell you. One minute it will work like a dream and the next it will be a bitch to get going for a long time. When I get to that stage I remove my stator magnets for 30 mins away from the rotor and pop them back in for testing. Somehow it seems the stators are getting degraded over time or something weird going on.

With my Tacho I leave it on continous logging and it is a nightmare when ya have had to spin the stators alot of time to get them to latch, as you have to trawl through all the crap data as well as the good data to get your readings. I need an assistant I reckon

If I can find a easy way to make it latch everytime then I can start to do some serious logging of the effects and hence what I have been working on.

I have held back on the mm by mm testing until I have a complete clear day, as it is going to be a long boring task LOL

Cheers

Sean.

[CLaNZeR]

@CLaNZeR,

Did you observe a similar effect with the original @alsetalokin's 13-station base?

@Omnibus

You stated you have your rig and that:

I want to report that the initial experiments are very promising. After the initial spin a definite acceleration is observed which so far still cannot be sustained as long as @alsetalonkin's but the effect is definitely there. I will restrain at this point from posting a video or quantitative results which I will present to you later.

Could you please report your findings as well mate, we are all in this together and it is good to share

Cheers

Sean.

[Omnibus]

@CLaNZeR,

Same here. I've a very similar experience to yours. Waiting for my tachometer to arrive to get some more definitive picture of what's happening. Wish I had a RS-232 tachometer.

[Omnibus]

Oops ... postings crossed in the mail ... I think I just replied to that. Wish I had some quantitative results at hand to report.

Qualitatively, it appears that the effect kicks in for a few seconds and then the contraption again goes out of sync to kick in again later for a few seconds as it winds down. This needs to be observed quantitatively, though. One thing is for sure, many times the smooth wind down of a lone rotor (not surrounded by stator magnets) differs substantially from the wind down of the rotor with stator magnets placed at certain positions. Detecting acceleration during these hitches quantitatively  will be most significant.

[DA]

Testing by varying the height and distance of the stator is essential, of course.

Apparantly no one has yet considered changing the angle of the stator axle.  Having all the magnets spinning in the same plane almost guarantees no power gain.  This one dimensional approach has consistently failed.

Theory: 

Al's device "worked" because his stator was accidentally mounted at a slight angle.  Optimizing this angle will produce more power than you know what to do with.  When you build your computer controled machine to vary the distance and height of the stator, be sure to include rotation in two axis as well.  Working with the stator axle always straight up and down limits you to one dimension, when you should be thinking in at least three.  Placing the stator at an angle to the rotor changes everything.  This is why you see some replications work and others fail.  While everyone is trying to be "exact" and keeping the rotor and stator parallel, the only ones that come close to working are the ones with the stator "a little bit off".  Make it a little bit more "off" and see what happens.

[Omnibus]

@DA,

We're trying to be as true to the original as possible. Modifications later. Where did  you see that the stator is at an angle with respect to the rotor?