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[vipond50]

@vipond50,

What is the wind down time of the rotor in absence of stator magnets and does the wind down time remain the same when the stators are present and the one-minute constant rpm effect is seen?

Good q's Omni
!. Did not feel the need to checked this, i feel the magnets are part of the fly wheel effect.
2.Q's is this Q relating to have the mags in place ?
3. Please restate your Q ?

Bill

[geodan]

New data from Al @ Steorn available here:

http://yirkha.fud.cz/steorn/alsetalokin/Dual%20Trace/

Translation??

[DA]

Testing by varying the height and distance of the stator is essential, of course.

Apparently no one has yet considered changing the angle of the stator axle.  Having all the magnets spinning in the same plane almost guarantees no power gain.  This one dimensional approach has consistently failed.

Theory: 

Al's device "worked" because his stator was accidentally mounted at a slight angle.  Optimizing this angle will produce more power than you know what to do with.  When you build your computer controlled machine to vary the distance and height of the stator, be sure to include rotation in two axis as well.  Working with the stator axle always straight up and down limits you to one dimension, when you should be thinking in at least three.  Placing the stator at an angle to the rotor changes everything.  This is why you see some replications work and others fail.  While everyone is trying to be "exact" and keeping the rotor and stator parallel, the only ones that come close to working are the ones with the stator "a little bit off".  Make it a little bit more "off" and see what happens.

@ DA

I'm playing with computer-based automation of stator tuning, but only in X and Z.

     Q:  Relative to the rotor, should the stator be angled radially, tangentially or both?

     Q:  Also, at what point in Al's video does the stator appear angled?


Cheers.

Yada ...
.

By varying the angle both radially and tangentially you can test every conceivable angle.  The point is, why limit yourself to only ONE stator shaft oreintation, when there are actually millions of orientations of the stator axle?  It may produce power best at 45 degrees, or 90 degrees, or 26.5 degrees.  And that is just considering two dimensions, why NOT check all three?  Gee whillikers, this IS the 21st century, isn't it?

Al's entire video was at an angle, so I cannot determine if the stator was at an angle or parallel.  I am merely proposing a THEORY, because most people seemed to have overlooked the question of whether or not the two axles are parallel, and that "could" be the key. 

The original video apparently showed an increase in rpm, correct?  No plans were given, it was not stated that the axles WERE or WERE NOT parallel. 

Unlikely scenario to consider, but you do have an open mind :

PERHAPS, When the video was taken one stator was installed "crooked", the anomaly was shown, and Al never did notice the stator was "crooked".  On the next change, Al got the stator straight, and could never get it to work again.  He never did think of installing the stator at a different angle, he just did it once, by accident, a bit of grit got under the washer on one side and the axle was off by 0.23 degrees.  This slight angle of the stator, combined with the AGW rotation of the stator, causes an uneven push-pull and accelerates the rotor. 
 

[Yadaraf]

1) Finetune the position of the rotor magnets
(I don?t think that all this magnets have exactly the same strength)
or match the magnets out of a bigger batch with a
magnetometer - or use a reference stator with a newtonmeter
attached.
This first goal is to get a symmetrical, smooth rotorfield.

Even slightly unsymmetry and slightly different strength in the used
material can have a huge difference in the resulting force.
Measuring the force and the field is the key to operation -
then it would make sense to alter the tilt/distance/force of the stator
magnets.

rgds.

@ fritz

Great place to start.

Yada ...
.

[Omega_0]

To All Replicators and Group
Today after reconfiguration of the Stator magnets to a dual bearings I had a approximately. "one minute" self operation of the device and maintained a constant RPM once Stator Sync occurred. Note: What I mean by " Self Operation' is NO outside added input to the device. ...........

Bill

I like the sound of it. Congrats Vipond !
Please post a video and plot of RPM , if possible.

[ken_nyus]

New data from Al @ Steorn available here:

http://yirkha.fud.cz/steorn/alsetalokin/Dual%20Trace/

Translation??

Not from me unfortunately!

A few more photos for the ignorant at least, including another flash frozen view while in operation.

[Omnibus]

@vipond50,

The rpm vs. time curve (wind down curve) changing form when there are stators, compared to lone rotor (no stators), a change which I also observed qualitatively, if real, is a very significant fact if the wind down times in the two cases are the same, let alone longer for a rotor with stators. As I said, I will study this quantitatively when my tachometer arrives.

[vipond50]

I have include a short Video of all three Stators operating in syc.
Need to upgrade this camera, to much time in the field I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tTFdiryJyQ

Regards
Bill

[vipond50]

@vipond50,

The rpm vs. time curve (wind down curve) changing form when there are stators, compared to lone rotor (no stators), a change which I also observed qualitatively, if real, is a very significant fact if the wind down times in the two cases are the same, let alone longer for a rotor with stators. As I said, I will study this quantitatively when my tachometer arrives.

Omni
The next time i tear down the device i.e. rotor and Stators I will gather this Data for your review
Hope this is ok ?
Regards
Bill

[ken_nyus]

Bill,

This device is different from the original OC concept. Once OC saw this in operation, he felt an equal distribution of stators would be desired, rather than the odd-13 arrangement from his original idea.

Running multi-stators in this un-equal arrangement may be a dead end.

I think the 4-1 ratio (in rpm between the stator and the rotor) has been established, and my thought is that 4-1 will hard to maintain with an un-equal arrangment (ie. stators interacting with the rotor in a way that inhibits the other stators)

It is obviously working for you, but they may be fighting each other.

[Omnibus]

@vipon50,

Thanks. Hopefully I'll also have some quantitative results then to compare notes.

[vipond50]

Bill,

This device is different from the original OC concept. Once OC saw this in operation, he felt an equal distribution of stators would be desired, rather than the odd-13 arrangement from his original idea.

Running multi-stators in this un-equal arrangement may be a dead end.

I think the 4-1 ration has been established, and my thought is that 4-1 will hard to maintain with an un-equal arrangment (ie. stators interacting with the rotor in a way that inhibits the other stators)

It is obviously working for you, but they may be fighting each other.

Good Day Ken
Sorry to be dense on this, so Al changed the 13 count to what ? Sorry

Bill

[Omnibus]

Bill,

This device is different from the original OC concept. Once OC saw this in operation, he felt an equal distribution of stators would be desired, rather than the odd-13 arrangement from his original idea.

Running multi-stators in this un-equal arrangement may be a dead end.

I think the 4-1 ration has been established, and my thought is that 4-1 will hard to maintain with an un-equal arrangment (ie. stators interacting with the rotor in a way that inhibits the other stators)

It is obviously working for you, but they may be fighting each other.

OC's opinion is utterly unimportant. What we need to know is what @alsetalokin did in his video. Was the base there made for 13 stators or not? I think we all here presume it was the 13-stator base and Jason's drawings reflect that.

Recall, Jason sent him the drawings and he approved of the 13-stator base.

[vipond50]

Bill,

This device is different from the original OC concept. Once OC saw this in operation, he felt an equal distribution of stators would be desired, rather than the odd-13 arrangement from his original idea.

Running multi-stators in this un-equal arrangement may be a dead end.

I think the 4-1 ration has been established, and my thought is that 4-1 will hard to maintain with an un-equal arrangment (ie. stators interacting with the rotor in a way that inhibits the other stators)

It is obviously working for you, but they may be fighting each other.

OC's opinion is utterly unimportant. What we need to know is what @alsetalokin did in his video. Was the base there made for 13 stators or not? I think we all here presume it was the 13-stator base and Jason's drawings reflect that.

Recall, Jason sent him the drawings and he approved of the 13-stator base.

Yep I concur and that what my Dwg's reflect also.
The Video was to show that all three stators can and will operate at any given time. When the device operated this morning" the one minute run" it was with one Stator in sync and the other two were running gear wise.

Thanks
Bill

[geodan]

repost from steorn to my request for a translation...

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      CommentAuthorDirtfarmer
    * CommentTime1 minute ago

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@geodanz...
...Implies an asymmetric field for reasons unknown... The "symettry" traces show the uninterfered waveforms, of rotor and stator, but the dual trace shows quite a different trace for "upspin", and "downspin" (als' parlance...)
Intriguing.
Goodwill,
-Dirtfarmer