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[ken_nyus]

OC's opinion is utterly unimportant.

I understand Omnibus, and agree.

What we need to know is what @alsetalokin did in his video. Was the base there made for 13 stators or not? I think we all here presume it was the 13-stator base and Jason's drawings reflect that.

Recall, jason sent him the drawings and he approved of the 13-stator base.

I agree the working device used the 13 stator base.

But I don't think there is any evidence or assumption of it working for more than one stator AGW.

My reasons for thinking equal spacing of the stators would be better when running more than one stator AGW are:

The 4-1 ratio, and the speedup-slowdown operation of the stator, and the pulsing this must induce in the rotor/whole system.

All speculation, and of course reliable reproduction first is more important.

[Shirakawa]

Hi Bill, let's hope you will not disappear and "get rid" of your MPMM when you'll supposedly manage to make it work, like you did with your joe-cell powered car. http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Joe_Cell:Replications:Bill_Williams ...

[g4macdad]

Hi Bill, let's hope you will not disappear and "get rid" of your MPMM when you'll supposedly manage to make it work, like you did with your joe-cell powered car. http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Joe_Cell:Replications:Bill_Williams ...

What is the fascination that so many people have with soiling the potential of something new and good?  In reading through posts, one wonders of what else their lives consist?  Such an enormous portion of personal time spent online seeking out ideas and people to destroy.  If they feel they know for sure that it isn't real - they could simply stop paying attention.  Ferreting out the truth may be their stated goal - but their hidden one is the thrill of destroying the person or their idea - any person or idea, it doesn't really matter who or what - it's the potential for anonymous personal destruction which attracts them.

That having been said, the Steorn Forum has become a locus for people who engage in this.  Surely Al recognises this.  He had to know that anyone sticking their head up there would attract the pack.  Considering that - that he would just, you know, take his ball and go home...  To give in to them?  To let them win?  Very disappointing.  It's the first thing he's done in all of this that seems to me to lack integrity - and it causes me to wonder, for the first time, whether he played it straight from the beginning.

Of course, that also shows that I'm waaaay too involved, as a bystander, in this drama.  I wish the replicators success in duplicating whatever it was that Al ash-canned!

By the way - great video, plasmasd!  "With great power comes great responsibility", indeed!  I had to watch it several times, I laughed so hard.

[vipond50]

Was looking at the Rotor to Stator ratios and logged these numbers
Hand spin up with one Stator in Sync and the other Two stopped.
Rotor RPM - 667
Stator RPM - 2230
R = 3.348 to 1

Second Attempt
Rotor RPM - 736.3
Stator RPM - 2542
R = 3.4523 to 1

B.

[vipond50]

Hi Bill, let's hope you will not disappear and "get rid" of your MPMM when you'll supposedly manage to make it work, like you did with your joe-cell powered car. http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Joe_Cell:Replications:Bill_Williams ...

What is the fascination that so many people have with soiling the potential of something new and good?  In reading through posts, one wonders of what else their lives consist?  Such an enormous portion of personal time spent online seeking out ideas and people to destroy.  If they feel they know for sure that it isn't real - they could simply stop paying attention.  Ferreting out the truth may be their stated goal - but their hidden one is the thrill of destroying the person or their idea - any person or idea, it doesn't really matter who or what - it's the potential for anonymous personal destruction which attracts them.

That having been said, the Steorn Forum has become a locus for people who engage in this.  Surely Al recognises this.  He had to know that anyone sticking their head up there would attract the pack.  Considering that - that he would just, you know, take his ball and go home...  To give in to them?  To let them win?  Very disappointing.  It's the first thing he's done in all of this that seems to me to lack integrity - and it causes me to wonder, for the first time, whether he played it straight from the beginning.

Of course, that also shows that I'm waaaay too involved, as a bystander, in this drama.  I wish the replicators success in duplicating whatever it was that Al ash-canned!

By the way - great video, plasmasd!  "With great power comes great responsibility", indeed!  I had to watch it several times, I laughed so hard.

So here we go again.... huh ?
Must feel good
What have U two done in the past few years other than stir the pot.

Have Fun
Bill

[g4macdad]

Hi Bill, let's hope you will not disappear and "get rid" of your MPMM when you'll supposedly manage to make it work, like you did with your joe-cell powered car. http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Joe_Cell:Replications:Bill_Williams ...

What is the fascination that so many people have with soiling the potential of something new and good?  In reading through posts, one wonders of what else their lives consist?  Such an enormous portion of personal time spent online seeking out ideas and people to destroy.  If they feel they know for sure that it isn't real - they could simply stop paying attention.  Ferreting out the truth may be their stated goal - but their hidden one is the thrill of destroying the person or their idea - any person or idea, it doesn't really matter who or what - it's the potential for anonymous personal destruction which attracts them.

That having been said, the Steorn Forum has become a locus for people who engage in this.  Surely Al recognises this.  He had to know that anyone sticking their head up there would attract the pack.  Considering that - that he would just, you know, take his ball and go home...  To give in to them?  To let them win?  Very disappointing.  It's the first thing he's done in all of this that seems to me to lack integrity - and it causes me to wonder, for the first time, whether he played it straight from the beginning.

Of course, that also shows that I'm waaaay too involved, as a bystander, in this drama.  I wish the replicators success in duplicating whatever it was that Al ash-canned!

By the way - great video, plasmasd!  "With great power comes great responsibility", indeed!  I had to watch it several times, I laughed so hard.

So here we go again.... huh ?
Must feel good
What have U two done in the past few years other than stir the pot.

Have Fun
Bill

Why would you say" two"? I am defending people's right to replicate/investigate this concept. I am pointing out these obvious people with an agenda. What would anyone gain by discouraging this? Think about it!

[leeanderthal]

I wish I could join all of the replicators in this effort to reproduce Al's machine, for now all I can do is lurk and maybe offer my 2 cents.

@vipond50
I've been thinking.  The so called stators in this device are not really stators at all.  They are in reality smaller rotors.  If this machine is to self run there must be an imbalance of forces and this imbalance must be sustained.  If the machine were built without friction or inertia it wouldn't have a chance of imbalance.  By putting the additional bearings on the rotating stators the rotational drag of the stators must have increased creating more of an imbalance thereby improving the performance of the machine.
It is my guess that the ratio of rotor to stator rpm's should be 4 to 1 and that your measurements of this ratio would indicate slippage of the desired AGW lockup.

FWIW

Ray

[Bruce_TPU]

Hi Bill,

Good to know our bearings work, since we have the identical ones.  I agree that this is the first thing we change.  Super precision run about $6.00 each.  I think perhaps super precision, stainless steel, eh?

Which magnets have you got for the rotor?  Have you ordered any N35's?

I would like to see a drawing of how you used two bearings for your stators.

Great job!!   

Bruce

[vipond50]

Hi Bill, let's hope you will not disappear and "get rid" of your MPMM when you'll supposedly manage to make it work, like you did with your joe-cell powered car. http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Joe_Cell:Replications:Bill_Williams ...

What is the fascination that so many people have with soiling the potential of something new and good?  In reading through posts, one wonders of what else their lives consist?  Such an enormous portion of personal time spent online seeking out ideas and people to destroy.  If they feel they know for sure that it isn't real - they could simply stop paying attention.  Ferreting out the truth may be their stated goal - but their hidden one is the thrill of destroying the person or their idea - any person or idea, it doesn't really matter who or what - it's the potential for anonymous personal destruction which attracts them.

That having been said, the Steorn Forum has become a locus for people who engage in this.  Surely Al recognises this.  He had to know that anyone sticking their head up there would attract the pack.  Considering that - that he would just, you know, take his ball and go home...  To give in to them?  To let them win?  Very disappointing.  It's the first thing he's done in all of this that seems to me to lack integrity - and it causes me to wonder, for the first time, whether he played it straight from the beginning.

Of course, that also shows that I'm waaaay too involved, as a bystander, in this drama.  I wish the replicators success in duplicating whatever it was that Al ash-canned!

By the way - great video, plasmasd!  "With great power comes great responsibility", indeed!  I had to watch it several times, I laughed so hard.

So here we go again.... huh ?
Must feel good
What have U two done in the past few years other than stir the pot.

Have Fun
Bill

Why would you say" two"? I am defending people's right to replicate/investigate this concept. I am pointing out these obvious people with an agenda. What would anyone gain by discouraging this? Think about it!

Sorry for including U. You did not say a thing wrong.
U know, this is the first project that i have opened up with sense the Joe Cell days. I apologize for my short temper.

Regards
Bill

[Omnibus]

@ken_nyus,

You may have a point. I've noticed difference in behavior and probably easier appearance of the effect when more than one stators are forced AGW.

[Shirakawa]

Why would you say" two"? I am defending people's right to replicate/investigate this concept. I am pointing out these obvious people with an agenda. What would anyone gain by discouraging this? Think about it!

I'm not discouraging anyone, just warning people that while Bill's efforts in replicating the MPMM may be genuine, his claims may be not. If you didn't know, in 2006 he claimed he successfully replicated the Joe Cell (more details here: http://joecellhydra.com/) and managed to install it in his car which had as a result "tremendous power" while consuming absolutely no fuel, just "orgone". Too bad that a few days later, when people were starting to ask for some more proof and details (somebody also wanted to personally see the Joe cell powered truck) some "MiB"s conveniently threatened Bill forcing him to destroy his plans and his replications and disappear from the Yahoo forums where he wrote about his progresses. As of January 20, 2008, nobody has yet managed to show proof of a working cell despite countless replications attempts (and money spent), Sterling Allan can confirm this. Many people are still wasting money on the Joe Cell hoax because of Bill's "successful" replication in 2006.

Now, how can one manage to replicate something that could solve the oil crisis, completely get rid of it, forget about it and then attempting other OU-like replication projects as if nothing happened is beyond my comprehension. Please allow me to have some doubt in what Bill writes in his posts.

[vipond50]

Why would you say" two"? I am defending people's right to replicate/investigate this concept. I am pointing out these obvious people with an agenda. What would anyone gain by discouraging this? Think about it!

I'm not discouraging anyone, just warning people that while Bill's efforts in replicating the MPMM may be genuine, his claims may be not. If you didn't know, in 2006 he claimed he successfully replicated the Joe Cell (more details here: http://joecellhydra.com/) and managed to install it in his car which had as a result "tremendous power" while consuming absolutely no fuel, just "orgone". Too bad that a few days later, when people were starting to ask for some more proof and details (somebody also wanted to personally see the Joe cell powered truck) some "MiB"s conveniently threatened Bill forcing him to destroy his plans and his replications and disappear from the Yahoo forums where he wrote about his progresses. As of January 20, 2008, nobody has yet managed to show proof of a working cell despite countless replications attempts (and money spent), Sterling Allan can confirm this. Many people are still wasting money on the Joe Cell hoax because of Bill's "successful" replication in 2006.

Now, how can one manage to replicate something that could solve the oil crisis, completely get rid of it, forget about it and then attempting other OU-like replication projects as if nothing happened is beyond my comprehension. Please allow me to have some doubt in what Bill writes in his posts.

Ok, i will quit posting any information to the Group.
I will leave it up to the Group  to decide?

Bill

[ken_nyus]

@ken_nyus,

You may have a point. I've noticed difference in behavior and probably easier appearance of the effect when more than one stators are forced AGW.

Just to be clear, with equal spacing of rotors?

like at the 1/2 or 1/4 points.

[HyTower]

To vipond50
Can you tell me what stator bearing you started out with and what you are using now when you get the three stators to sync.
Also it might be just the camera, but the rotor mag look somewhat different, are they the 1/4 by1/2 round that are in most of the spec i have seen
thanks and keep up the good work
HT

[Omnibus]

@Shirakawa,

I know nothing about Bill's behavior but many of us here have experienced quite a few instances of various degrees of "disappearances" after a claim was made. At this moment I'm more concerned about the reality of the effect @alsetalokin presented in his video rather than dwell in what Bill or somebody else did or didn't do in the past. Everyone knows that @alsetalokin presented the video only due to my insistence to back up his claims with evidence. Since then we're observing a weirdest behavior on his part which he, although still around, doesn't even perceive as such. I've noted before that from my discussion with him I've observed his only marginal grasp of the subtleties of science. He now demonstrates, in addition, unbecoming behavior a decent technician and engineer, I used to think he is, will never allow himself to stoop to. As many here know, and I've said it repeatedly, I'm approaching the matters of research unassumingly. As the exploration progresses, however, indications of fraudulent behavior don't go unnoticed and if found I, as almost everyone here, will not tolerate them.

Thus, @lasetalokin's is not asked to voice opinions as to whether or not the effect he demonstrates in the video is OU or how this effect can be explained. Instead of pushing what he's not asked and what he's not qualified to utter as an opinion, he should answer the simple question which many people are asking him: is the acceleration seen in his video genuinely due to the working of the motor itself or there is a hidden energy source fraudulently concealed to fool the enthusiasts and punish them for their gullibility? As seen, @alsetalokin is still evading the answer to this simple 'yes' or 'no' question. He thinks he doesn't owe the answer to anyone but he actually does if he wants to preserve his integrity.

Please understand,  violation of CoE has already been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt and the engineering efforts to create such motors will succeed sooner or later. On the road to achieving this goal there will certainly be many fraudulent outright fools or elaborate deceivers set to discourage these efforts. The sooner these clowns are exposed the better for the health of this exploration. I really hope this isn't the case here and what we're observing is only due to poor social skills.