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[Omnibus]

@ken_nyus,

You may have a point. I've noticed difference in behavior and probably easier appearance of the effect when more than one stators are forced AGW.

Just to be clear, with equal spacing of rotors?

like at the 1/2 or 1/4 points.

Don't quite understand what you're asking. All stators are at 5mm distance form the rotor. Is that an answet to what you asked?

[hoptoad]

Please allow me to have some doubt in what Bill writes in his posts.

@Shirakawa
You don't need anybody's permission to doubt anything that anybody says or claims.
Cheers all. Hope you find what you think you are looking for.

[rice]

hey Omnibus, did not you say that you have built a working model and it accelerates.  lets see a vid or pic.  i am indeed interested to see it

[Omnibus]

hey Omnibus, did not you say that you have built a working model and it accelerates.  lets see a vid or pic.  i am indeed interested to see it

Go back and read what I've said on the subject.

[MeggerMan]

Hi Bill,
Yes I remember you from the Joe Cell days too and I have no problem with you reporting on your results - in fact I still have 3 joe cells in the garage, I noticed some very odd effects with the tests that I carried out.

Anyway, when you had the 1 minute sustained run, were you able to monitor the RPMs ?

From the video you posted earlier it is very apparent that a hand spin of the rotor soon slows to a stop in 15-20 seconds so a sustained run of 1 minute is a big step forward.

@DA,
I have made your suggestion about angled stators to Al, I too had this idea a few pages back.

@Bruce,
Regarding the N35 magnets, I got Al to measure the vertical repulsion distance between two rotor magnets, 1/4" dia x 1/2" rod and he measured it to be 30.5mm which is about what I got with the ones I ordered from S&J magnetics at 31.5mm, if someone has some N38 or N35 rods they could perhaps do the same test and feed back the results.

Regards
Rob

[RunningBare]

@alsetalokin is still evading the answer to this simple 'yes' or 'no' question. He thinks he doesn't owe the answer to anyone but he actually does if he wants to preserve his integrity.

"chuckles"

alsetalokin is in a good job, he gets paid well....and more importantly he is an anonymous internet user, I'm sure his integrity where it really matters is fully intact.

[Omnibus]

@alsetalokin is still evading the answer to this simple 'yes' or 'no' question. He thinks he doesn't owe the answer to anyone but he actually does if he wants to preserve his integrity.

"chuckles"

alsetalokin is in a good job, he gets paid well....and more importantly he is an anonymous internet user, I'm sure his integrity where it really matters is fully intact.

Don't be so sure. If he were my employee or a grad student and I knew his current behavior that won't be so and I'm not alone in that.

[ken_nyus]

@ken_nyus,

You may have a point. I've noticed difference in behavior and probably easier appearance of the effect when more than one stators are forced AGW.

You noticed a difference when you tried stators equally spaced, like at 90 degree intervals or 180 degree?

(rather than the original 27.7 degree intervals)

Or just when you tried more than one?

[leeroyjenkinsii]

Overunity is like the search for bigfoot.

[vipond50]

To vipond50
Can you tell me what stator bearing you started out with and what you are using now when you get the three stators to sync.
Also it might be just the camera, but the rotor mag look somewhat different, are they the 1/4 by1/2 round that are in most of the spec i have seen
thanks and keep up the good work
HT

Hi Hydro
Sure Glad to help
1. The Stator bearing is a R3-HA! manufactured by Bearings. This right off the box
2. The two bearings have a small thin washer" will mic " between them and another washer to give clearance off the base plate Will also get a Pic of the assembly layed out.
3. The Rotor mags are 1/4" diameter and 1/4" long N42's. I stacked them up (four) to give the length u see.

Hope this helps
Regards
Bill

I machined a longer adapter to house the bearing

[vipond50]

I wish I could join all of the replicators in this effort to reproduce Al's machine, for now all I can do is lurk and maybe offer my 2 cents.

@vipond50
I've been thinking.  The so called stators in this device are not really stators at all.  They are in reality smaller rotors.  If this machine is to self run there must be an imbalance of forces and this imbalance must be sustained.  If the machine were built without friction or inertia it wouldn't have a chance of imbalance.  By putting the additional bearings on the rotating stators the rotational drag of the stators must have increased creating more of an imbalance thereby improving the performance of the machine.
It is my guess that the ratio of rotor to stator rpm's should be 4 to 1 and that your measurements of this ratio would indicate slippage of the desired AGW lockup.

FWIW

Ray

Hello Ray
Yes i agree, Chaos or in balance is a key point, but Friction or to much of is a killer. There has to an in balance with any magnetic rotating device for it to operate. Constantly seeking magnetic equilibrium.

Regards
Bill

[ken_nyus]

repost from steorn to my request for a translation...

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      CommentAuthorDirtfarmer
    * CommentTime1 minute ago

 permalinkquote
@geodanz...
...Implies an asymmetric field for reasons unknown... The "symettry" traces show the uninterfered waveforms, of rotor and stator, but the dual trace shows quite a different trace for "upspin", and "downspin" (als' parlance...)
Intriguing.
Goodwill,
-Dirtfarmer

http://yirkha.fud.cz/steorn/alsetalokin/Dual%20Trace/

If someone could confirm for me please, these are traces of magnetic polarity?

Magnetic polarity represented vertically, and time horizontally?

[vipond50]

Hi Bill,

Good to know our bearings work, since we have the identical ones.  I agree that this is the first thing we change.  Super precision run about $6.00 each.  I think perhaps super precision, stainless steel, eh?

Which magnets have you got for the rotor?  Have you ordered any N35's?

I would like to see a drawing of how you used two bearings for your stators.

Great job!!   

Bruce

Hey Bruce
my mags are N42's 1/4" dia X 1/4" long, I stacked them(four) i did this so i could have some adjustably
I will post a stator disassembled for all to see the config.

have U come up with a non magnetic bearing from Mike" Even SS would be better that the all steel ones we are utilizing.

Regards
Bill

[Omnibus]

@ken_nyus,

Seems that the original positioning with the three stators and two almost opposing stators give better results. Here are some very preliminary results I just obtained for the original 3 stators positioned as in the video. When rotor spun by hand (no AGW attempt) average spin down time of five attempts is around 15s. Same initial spin (~300rpm) with successful AGW of one of the stators (the leftmost from the video), the two other stators held non-spinning, average spin down time for five attempts around  35s. Again, these are just preliminary results.

Spin down time of a lone rotor (no stators) -- about 220s.

[RunningBare]

Don't be so sure. If he were my employee or a grad student and I knew his current behavior that won't be so and I'm not alone in that.

His current behavior is his own personal business, so long as he does not connect his employers name to this then his employer has no recourse to discipline him.

As I already said, alsetalokin is an anonymous internet persona, I'd say his real life integrity and job are quite intact would'nt you?