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[vipond50]

I wish I could join all of the replicators in this effort to reproduce Al's machine, for now all I can do is lurk and maybe offer my 2 cents.

@vipond50
I've been thinking.  The so called stators in this device are not really stators at all.  They are in reality smaller rotors.  If this machine is to self run there must be an imbalance of forces and this imbalance must be sustained.  If the machine were built without friction or inertia it wouldn't have a chance of imbalance.  By putting the additional bearings on the rotating stators the rotational drag of the stators must have increased creating more of an imbalance thereby improving the performance of the machine.
It is my guess that the ratio of rotor to stator rpm's should be 4 to 1 and that your measurements of this ratio would indicate slippage of the desired AGW lockup.

FWIW

Ray

Hello Ray
Yes i agree, Chaos or in balance is a key point, but Friction or to much of is a killer. There has to an in balance with any magnetic rotating device for it to operate. Constantly seeking magnetic equilibrium.

Regards
Bill

[ken_nyus]

repost from steorn to my request for a translation...

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@geodanz...
...Implies an asymmetric field for reasons unknown... The "symettry" traces show the uninterfered waveforms, of rotor and stator, but the dual trace shows quite a different trace for "upspin", and "downspin" (als' parlance...)
Intriguing.
Goodwill,
-Dirtfarmer

http://yirkha.fud.cz/steorn/alsetalokin/Dual%20Trace/

If someone could confirm for me please, these are traces of magnetic polarity?

Magnetic polarity represented vertically, and time horizontally?

[vipond50]

Hi Bill,

Good to know our bearings work, since we have the identical ones.  I agree that this is the first thing we change.  Super precision run about $6.00 each.  I think perhaps super precision, stainless steel, eh?

Which magnets have you got for the rotor?  Have you ordered any N35's?

I would like to see a drawing of how you used two bearings for your stators.

Great job!!   

Bruce

Hey Bruce
my mags are N42's 1/4" dia X 1/4" long, I stacked them(four) i did this so i could have some adjustably
I will post a stator disassembled for all to see the config.

have U come up with a non magnetic bearing from Mike" Even SS would be better that the all steel ones we are utilizing.

Regards
Bill

[Omnibus]

@ken_nyus,

Seems that the original positioning with the three stators and two almost opposing stators give better results. Here are some very preliminary results I just obtained for the original 3 stators positioned as in the video. When rotor spun by hand (no AGW attempt) average spin down time of five attempts is around 15s. Same initial spin (~300rpm) with successful AGW of one of the stators (the leftmost from the video), the two other stators held non-spinning, average spin down time for five attempts around  35s. Again, these are just preliminary results.

Spin down time of a lone rotor (no stators) -- about 220s.

[RunningBare]

Don't be so sure. If he were my employee or a grad student and I knew his current behavior that won't be so and I'm not alone in that.

His current behavior is his own personal business, so long as he does not connect his employers name to this then his employer has no recourse to discipline him.

As I already said, alsetalokin is an anonymous internet persona, I'd say his real life integrity and job are quite intact would'nt you?

[vipond50]

Hi Bill,
Yes I remember you from the Joe Cell days too and I have no problem with you reporting on your results - in fact I still have 3 joe cells in the garage, I noticed some very odd effects with the tests that I carried out.

Anyway, when you had the 1 minute sustained run, were you able to monitor the RPMs ?

From the video you posted earlier it is very apparent that a hand spin of the rotor soon slows to a stop in 15-20 seconds so a sustained run of 1 minute is a big step forward.

@DA,
I have made your suggestion about angled stators to Al, I too had this idea a few pages back.

@Bruce,
Regarding the N35 magnets, I got Al to measure the vertical repulsion distance between two rotor magnets, 1/4" dia x 1/2" rod and he measured it to be 30.5mm which is about what I got with the ones I ordered from S&J magnetics at 31.5mm, if someone has some N38 or N35 rods they could perhaps do the same test and feed back the results.

Regards
Rob

Hi Rob
No Sorry, I did not get a tach reading, I was totally caught off guard this morning after the reassembly. I base this approximation on tach readings with hand spin ups (I don't like guess) the RPM was about 700 to 750.
Sorry for not have my ducks in a row.

Bill

[geodan]

repost from steorn to my request for a translation...

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      CommentAuthorDirtfarmer
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@geodanz...
...Implies an asymmetric field for reasons unknown... The "symettry" traces show the uninterfered waveforms, of rotor and stator, but the dual trace shows quite a different trace for "upspin", and "downspin" (als' parlance...)
Intriguing.
Goodwill,
-Dirtfarmer

http://yirkha.fud.cz/steorn/alsetalokin/Dual%20Trace/

If someone could confirm for me please, these are traces of magnetic polarity?

Magnetic polarity represented vertically, and time horizontally?

That's my assumption Ken... but here's a note worthy repost from the Steorn whip motor chat  forum...

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Alset,
What reason in your experience would account for the dual trace results... (They may be expected, I don't know...)
http://yirkha.fud.cz/steorn/alsetalokin/Dual%20Trace/
Accel/decel of the stator? (inducing a varying voltage...) but if that is the case, why the same disparity (in quality, not quantity) upspin and downspin? (accel>rotor>decel) (Even this is considerably conjecture, ... I understand...)
On another , quite different note, Is it possible that one of the coils is in reverse polarity by accident?
Goodwill,
-Dirtfarmer
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"On another , quite different note, Is it possible that one of the coils is in reverse polarity by accident?"

Oh, I thought that was clear from the picture of the probe coil. Sorry! The scope doesn't have a trace inversion switch.
The two coils are connected in series, with the probe grounds on the "center tap" and the probes themselves on the ends. This can best be seen in "symmetry_p1.jpg".
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Oh, and I believe that a couple of folks have shown that the stator does accelerate and decelerate on each cycle, like RB predicted and as you have also postulated.
Goodwill yourself, and to yours as well--
--Al

[Omnibus]

Don't be so sure. If he were my employee or a grad student and I knew his current behavior that won't be so and I'm not alone in that.

His current behavior is his own personal business, so long as he does not connect his employers name to this then his employer has no recourse to discipline him.

As I already said, alsetalokin is an anonymous internet persona, I'd say his real life integrity and job are quite intact would'nt you?

Not so. Like I said, if he were my employee or my grad student and behaves the way we've seen him behave that won't be just his personal business. Semi-educated know-it-alls, let alone, dishonest people and cowards have no place in science.

[Omnibus]

@ken_nyus,

Although I'm more interested in the fine structure of the rpm vs. time curves, something I can't study now for lack of tachometer, qualitatively it seems obvious that the three stators spinning GW are a greater hindrance than one spinning GW and two held in place. The easiest (aside from a lone rotor) is the spin of the rotor when one stator spins AGW and the other two are held in place. How much these observations have any novelty in them remains to be seen.

[Prophmaji]

Don't be so sure. If he were my employee or a grad student and I knew his current behavior that won't be so and I'm not alone in that.

His current behavior is his own personal business, so long as he does not connect his employers name to this then his employer has no recourse to discipline him.

As I already said, alsetalokin is an anonymous internet persona, I'd say his real life integrity and job are quite intact would'nt you?

Not so. Like I said, if he were my employee or my grad student and behaves the way we've seen him behave that won't be just his personal business. Semi-educated know-it-alls, let alone, dishonest people and cowards have no place in science.

I take it you've never had a spook or a member of the US Defense industry right in your office, now, have you? Had your phone tapped for years at a time? Followed around for weeks and weeks, every day?

I have seen your posts go from the properly defensive, and then to the near downright ignorant.. These last two posts seem to stem from downright ignorance. We are all guilty of it at times. In this case you are now guilty of it.