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[vipond50]

Hi Bill,
Yes I remember you from the Joe Cell days too and I have no problem with you reporting on your results - in fact I still have 3 joe cells in the garage, I noticed some very odd effects with the tests that I carried out.

Anyway, when you had the 1 minute sustained run, were you able to monitor the RPMs ?

From the video you posted earlier it is very apparent that a hand spin of the rotor soon slows to a stop in 15-20 seconds so a sustained run of 1 minute is a big step forward.

@DA,
I have made your suggestion about angled stators to Al, I too had this idea a few pages back.

@Bruce,
Regarding the N35 magnets, I got Al to measure the vertical repulsion distance between two rotor magnets, 1/4" dia x 1/2" rod and he measured it to be 30.5mm which is about what I got with the ones I ordered from S&J magnetics at 31.5mm, if someone has some N38 or N35 rods they could perhaps do the same test and feed back the results.

Regards
Rob

Hi Rob
No Sorry, I did not get a tach reading, I was totally caught off guard this morning after the reassembly. I base this approximation on tach readings with hand spin ups (I don't like guess) the RPM was about 700 to 750.
Sorry for not have my ducks in a row.

Bill

[geodan]

repost from steorn to my request for a translation...

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@geodanz...
...Implies an asymmetric field for reasons unknown... The "symettry" traces show the uninterfered waveforms, of rotor and stator, but the dual trace shows quite a different trace for "upspin", and "downspin" (als' parlance...)
Intriguing.
Goodwill,
-Dirtfarmer

http://yirkha.fud.cz/steorn/alsetalokin/Dual%20Trace/

If someone could confirm for me please, these are traces of magnetic polarity?

Magnetic polarity represented vertically, and time horizontally?

That's my assumption Ken... but here's a note worthy repost from the Steorn whip motor chat  forum...

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Alset,
What reason in your experience would account for the dual trace results... (They may be expected, I don't know...)
http://yirkha.fud.cz/steorn/alsetalokin/Dual%20Trace/
Accel/decel of the stator? (inducing a varying voltage...) but if that is the case, why the same disparity (in quality, not quantity) upspin and downspin? (accel>rotor>decel) (Even this is considerably conjecture, ... I understand...)
On another , quite different note, Is it possible that one of the coils is in reverse polarity by accident?
Goodwill,
-Dirtfarmer
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"On another , quite different note, Is it possible that one of the coils is in reverse polarity by accident?"

Oh, I thought that was clear from the picture of the probe coil. Sorry! The scope doesn't have a trace inversion switch.
The two coils are connected in series, with the probe grounds on the "center tap" and the probes themselves on the ends. This can best be seen in "symmetry_p1.jpg".
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Oh, and I believe that a couple of folks have shown that the stator does accelerate and decelerate on each cycle, like RB predicted and as you have also postulated.
Goodwill yourself, and to yours as well--
--Al

[Omnibus]

Don't be so sure. If he were my employee or a grad student and I knew his current behavior that won't be so and I'm not alone in that.

His current behavior is his own personal business, so long as he does not connect his employers name to this then his employer has no recourse to discipline him.

As I already said, alsetalokin is an anonymous internet persona, I'd say his real life integrity and job are quite intact would'nt you?

Not so. Like I said, if he were my employee or my grad student and behaves the way we've seen him behave that won't be just his personal business. Semi-educated know-it-alls, let alone, dishonest people and cowards have no place in science.

[Omnibus]

@ken_nyus,

Although I'm more interested in the fine structure of the rpm vs. time curves, something I can't study now for lack of tachometer, qualitatively it seems obvious that the three stators spinning GW are a greater hindrance than one spinning GW and two held in place. The easiest (aside from a lone rotor) is the spin of the rotor when one stator spins AGW and the other two are held in place. How much these observations have any novelty in them remains to be seen.

[Prophmaji]

Don't be so sure. If he were my employee or a grad student and I knew his current behavior that won't be so and I'm not alone in that.

His current behavior is his own personal business, so long as he does not connect his employers name to this then his employer has no recourse to discipline him.

As I already said, alsetalokin is an anonymous internet persona, I'd say his real life integrity and job are quite intact would'nt you?

Not so. Like I said, if he were my employee or my grad student and behaves the way we've seen him behave that won't be just his personal business. Semi-educated know-it-alls, let alone, dishonest people and cowards have no place in science.

I take it you've never had a spook or a member of the US Defense industry right in your office, now, have you? Had your phone tapped for years at a time? Followed around for weeks and weeks, every day?

I have seen your posts go from the properly defensive, and then to the near downright ignorant.. These last two posts seem to stem from downright ignorance. We are all guilty of it at times. In this case you are now guilty of it.

[Omnibus]

Don't be so sure. If he were my employee or a grad student and I knew his current behavior that won't be so and I'm not alone in that.

His current behavior is his own personal business, so long as he does not connect his employers name to this then his employer has no recourse to discipline him.

As I already said, alsetalokin is an anonymous internet persona, I'd say his real life integrity and job are quite intact would'nt you?

Not so. Like I said, if he were my employee or my grad student and behaves the way we've seen him behave that won't be just his personal business. Semi-educated know-it-alls, let alone, dishonest people and cowards have no place in science.

I take it you've never had a spook or a member of the US Defense industry right in your office, now, have you? Had your phone tapped for years at a time? Followed around for weeks and weeks, every day?

I have seen your posts go from the properly defensive, and then to the near downright ignorant.. These last two posts seem to stem from downright ignorance. We are all guilty of it at times. In this case you are now guilty of it.

There are ways to protect yourself without jeopardizing your integrity. @alsetalonkin has made almost every effort to damage his.

[dean_mcgowan]

Omnibus,

You yourself seem a little evasive regarding posting even a simple pic of your rig ... umm why ?

And please dont say quantative something something quantative bla bla bla quantative etc ...

Cheers,

Dean

[Omnibus]

Omnibus,

You yourself seem a little evasive regarding posting even a simple pic of your rig ... umm why ?

And please dont say quantative something something quantative bla bla bla quantative etc ...

Cheers,

Dean

Keep your opinions to yourself. Quantitative results have their meaning in science and if you don't know that it's your problem.

[vipond50]

Here's a few Pic's of the Stator disassambled
The Adapter is made out CPVC 1/2" tubing, what I had on hand, but seems to work very well. I counter bored the ID of the tubing so to accept the two(2) bearings (0.320") and also counter bored the opposite end to accept the 1/2 diameter magnet. The Length of the adapter is 1.00"
Hopes this help

Bill

[dean_mcgowan]

Omnibus,

You yourself seem a little evasive regarding posting even a simple pic of your rig ... umm why ?

And please dont say quantative something something quantative bla bla bla quantative etc ...

Cheers,

Dean

Keep your opinions to yourself. Quantitative results have their meaning in science and if you don't know that it's your problem.

It wasn't my opinion it was a quantitative analysis of how many posts you have made stating you have a replication compared to the evidence that you have.

Cheers,

Dean

[RunningBare]

Omnibus,

You yourself seem a little evasive regarding posting even a simple pic of your rig ... umm why ?

And please dont say quantative something something quantative bla bla bla quantative etc ...

Cheers,

Dean

Keep your opinions to yourself. Quantitative results have their meaning in science and if you don't know that it's your problem.

It wasn't my opinion it was a quantitative analysis of how many posts you have made stating you have a replication compared to the evidence that you have.

Cheers,

Dean

The crowd goes wild as he scores!!

[Omnibus]

Omnibus,

You yourself seem a little evasive regarding posting even a simple pic of your rig ... umm why ?

And please dont say quantative something something quantative bla bla bla quantative etc ...

Cheers,

Dean

Keep your opinions to yourself. Quantitative results have their meaning in science and if you don't know that it's your problem.

It wasn't my opinion it was a quantitative analysis of how many posts you have made stating you have a replication compared to the evidence that you have.

Cheers,

Dean

That's a silly use of the term 'quantitative'.

As for me posting scientific data, I always prefer to post or publish such data when there's something worth publishing, some contribution. Some people enjoy making videos and pics showing every step of the construction and there's nothing bad in that. That's not my style, however.

[ken_nyus]

That's my assumption Ken... but here's a note worthy repost from the Steorn whip motor chat  forum...

Thanks Geo, I see thread at Steorn has been started on the subject:

http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=60221&page=1#Item_0

[hoptoad]

And please dont say quantative something something quantative bla bla bla quantative etc ..
Cheers,
Dean

@Dean
Even when you say please, you don't always get the answer you may hope for. Not just on this site, but in life in general.
Please keep on posting your opinions. If nothing else they provide a balance of viewpoints and sometimes something to ponder over.

The last I knew, this was a democratic forum. At least Stefan seems to moderate it as such.

I may or may not agree with your or anybody else's opinions, or interpretation of data, but I acknowledge the democratic right of others to state them. For those who vehemently disagree with a statement, they always have the options to respond to, or ignore them, but only Stefan has the right to suppress them. It is his site after all, and so far, I commend him for his obvious diplomacy and democratic approach.

In fact, it seems that Stefan has only removed a post when it contains an undue amount of foul language or persistent and very personal attacks and abuse aimed at other posters. Let's keep it that way.

Cheers from the Toad who Hops

[Omnibus]

@RunningBare,

You have no restraint, haven't you. If someone's silly you won't allow that. You always need to be sillier and to show that.