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[Omnibus]

@Bruce_TPU,

If you remember I reported something similar couple a weeks ago with another rig which isn?t here with me now. That rig isn?t according to specifications as well, most notably the rotor magnets being N42 rectangular magnets. Now I did the experiment you?re describing (N35 rotor mags, stator rings as specified with three cylinder N42?s on top). What I?m seeing is that when you spin it at around 350rpm and let it wind down, you can definitely hear change in sound and feel increased vibration in the rotors you're holding between around 330-320rpm which lasts for less than a second. This phenomenon repeats itself, although not as pronounced, at about 240rpm.

My setup differs from yours in that my rotor is heavier than yours (mine is 303g) and I still don?t have dampers.

As previously, I still won?t post video of this because what needs to be done is to reproduce the acceleration we see in @alsetalokin?s video which I still haven?t observed.

[dean_mcgowan]

All of you naysayers are doomed!  LOL

Cheers all,

Bruce

A little premature .. but i love the enthusiasm

[dean_mcgowan]

@Bruce_TPU,

If you remember I reported something similar couple a weeks ago with another rig which isn?t here with me now. That rig isn?t according to specifications as well, most notably the rotor magnets being N42 rectangular magnets. Now I did the experiment you?re describing (N35 rotor mags, stator rings as specified with three cylinder N42?s on top). What I?m seeing is that when you spin it at around 350rpm and let it wind down, you can definitely hear change in sound and feel increased vibration in the rotors you're holding between around 330-320rpm which lasts for less than a second. This phenomenon repeats itself, although not as pronounced, at about 240rpm.

My setup differs from yours in that my rotor is heavier than yours (mine is 303g) and I still don?t have dampers.

As previously, I still won?t post video of this because what needs to be done is to reproduce the acceleration we see in @alsetalokin?s video which I still haven?t observed.

@ Omni,
So, umm .... where is that other "rig" ?
If you don't mind me enquiring ... I mean ..could it be at someone's house who might have a web cam?
Cheers Dean

[Omnibus]

Another difference between mine and Bruce's is that my rotor-stator gap is 5mm (as specified), not 8mm as in his.

[dean_mcgowan]

Another difference between mine and Bruce's is that my rotor-stator gap is 5mm (as specified), not 8mm as in his.

I think there is one similarity though .. you both have your hand on it 

[Omnibus]

@Bruce_TPU,

If you remember I reported something similar couple a weeks ago with another rig which isn?t here with me now. That rig isn?t according to specifications as well, most notably the rotor magnets being N42 rectangular magnets. Now I did the experiment you?re describing (N35 rotor mags, stator rings as specified with three cylinder N42?s on top). What I?m seeing is that when you spin it at around 350rpm and let it wind down, you can definitely hear change in sound and feel increased vibration in the rotors you're holding between around 330-320rpm which lasts for less than a second. This phenomenon repeats itself, although not as pronounced, at about 240rpm.

My setup differs from yours in that my rotor is heavier than yours (mine is 303g) and I still don?t have dampers.

As previously, I still won?t post video of this because what needs to be done is to reproduce the acceleration we see in @alsetalokin?s video which I still haven?t observed.

@ Omni,
So, umm .... where is that other "rig" ?
If you don't mind me enquiring ... I mean ..could it be at someone's house who might have a web cam?
Cheers Dean

It's in Massachusetts, in the machine shop there while I'm in NYC right now. As for web cam, the only thing that can be done is to make a video when I get there, I don't know when. Like I said, however, it isn't worth posting a video until it can be made self-sustaining  for longer periods, minutes, hours, as was claimed by @alsetalokin. What I'm trying to do now is to get this rig I have with me now as close to specifications as possible and then go from there. The biggest problem I have now is the rotor weight which I'll try to take care of in the coming days.

[Omnibus]

Another difference between mine and Bruce's is that my rotor-stator gap is 5mm (as specified), not 8mm as in his.

I think there is one similarity though .. you both have your hand on it 

Not necessarily. The one I reported earlier didn't have my hand on it.

Also, in this case, why having my hand on it, I don't observe the phenomenon at 350rpm but it emerges at 320-330rpm? The hand has nothing to do with that.

[dean_mcgowan]

Another difference between mine and Bruce's is that my rotor-stator gap is 5mm (as specified), not 8mm as in his.

I think there is one similarity though .. you both have your hand on it 

Not necessarily. The one I reported earlier didn't have my hand on it.

Also, in this case, why having my hand on it, I don't observe the phenomenon at 350rpm but it emerges at 320-330rpm? The hand has nothing to do with that.

Pearls before swine

[Omnibus]

Another difference between mine and Bruce's is that my rotor-stator gap is 5mm (as specified), not 8mm as in his.

I think there is one similarity though .. you both have your hand on it 

Not necessarily. The one I reported earlier didn't have my hand on it.

Also, in this case, why having my hand on it, I don't observe the phenomenon at 350rpm but it emerges at 320-330rpm? The hand has nothing to do with that.

Pearls before swine

Here's the soundtrack of it. Spin starts at around 370rpm. Effect heard around 220-230rpm and then again at around 240rpm and much lighter at around 190rpm. The rotor is let go winding down on its own with no involvement of hands.

EDIT: Please bear with me. Can't post the soundtrack here, will try to give a link to another place I'll try to upload it to.

[Omnibus]

Here's the soundtrack, converted to mp3.

[lwh]

Here's the soundtrack, converted to mp3.

Wow.  That's the most convincing bit of 'evidence' for me, so far, that you guys really are onto something.  Keep it up, and good luck.

Les.   

[markdansie]

@mramos,
None running...and even if they did they would then face the degaussing issue. However I think what they have all missed is if they call it a smot device is should run...just ask omi.
I witnessed a self starting magnetic motor last year...which could easily run for 10 minutes...appeared to accerate when the stator arm was brought in over the rotor. Had me fooled for 20 minutes. However it eventually slowed down. (You guys would have wet yourself if it was posted on youtube).
As an exercise, can anyone tell me why it might have appeared as a self starter...when indeed it wasnt?
The clues are in the words above.
Mark

[Bruce_TPU]

Good Morning All,

A long night!   

My Tachometer will be here Wednesday.  I need to confirm what the ear and eyes think they are seeing.  New Rotor was Shipped yesterday.  Base is interchangeable for both. 

My Stator / rotor separation is 9 mm.

I am about to order the N38's that Omni has, with the 30.5 mm separation, for the rotor.

Also, Monday, I am going to purchase new ABEC 7 rotor bearings for both rotors.  I replaced my stator bearings, but need to replace the rotor bearings.  Time for precision.

Thanks for the Kudo's guys, but let's hold the champaign, until we replicate Al's.  But I can say it is one of the coolest things I have ever witnessed!   

Cheers All,

Bruce

[dean_mcgowan]

@mramos,
None running...and even if they did they would then face the degaussing issue. However I think what they have all missed is if they call it a smot device is should run...just ask omi.
I witnessed a self starting magnetic motor last year...which could easily run for 10 minutes...appeared to accerate when the stator arm was brought in over the rotor. Had me fooled for 20 minutes. However it eventually slowed down. (You guys would have wet yourself if it was posted on youtube).
As an exercise, can anyone tell me why it might have appeared as a self starter...when indeed it wasnt?
The clues are in the words above.
Mark

As the stator arm was moved energy was added to the system ...

Another "hand on it" effort

Cheers
Dean
 

[dean_mcgowan]

edited...

single slit diffraction posting method damn doubled up me postin' ... grrr

Cheers
Dean