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[dean_mcgowan]

Bruce,

Nice Vid!

I have sound too.. though i find it hard to perceive the acceleration. Is it at all possible that you can do this by fixing the stators in place with blue tac or something as I can't help but believe you are adding energy into the system (not accusing you of deliberate fakery).

Cheers,
Dean

@Dean
How could he add energy? He did not do any additional movements other than the start up.
hmmm.... maybe he was wiggling his fore finger 

Dean.... why don't U construct one of these little beast? Then U can answer all your own q"s
U must be thinking of the Steorn rep video where the guy was oscillating a magnet to induce rotation ?

Regards
Bill

Specs are too loose and no convincing reps so far, otherwise I would certainly try.

@dean_mcgowan
So, since you plan no attempt at replication, are we to assume that you are simply positioning yourself as a stumbling block to those who are?

If so, what is your ultimate gain if you are successful?

Absolutely contrary to your claim I am totally in favour, should Al offer a full specification and stop this ridiculous guessing game, of doing a complete precise replication with all exact parts at whatever cost.
Since he is not forthcoming with all of these details and will not post a video of the quality commensurate with such a discovery, be it OU or otherwise. Then i plan to voice my opinion of the folly of those that are attempting proofs and hope that they too would put more pressure to gain access to the necessary information.

Hence my success might benefit all involved.

I also am not part of some black book debunking project that some others might try to imply 


Regards,

Dean

[JFK]

@ Dean - The fact of the matter is that Al denied overunity. 
Nevertheless he was barraged with claims that he did claim overunity and he was claimed to be a fraud and continues to be by persons like yourself.

Others with resources have attempted a replication and have discovered a strange magnetic anomoly. That alone should be investigated on it's own merits.

You are not helping, and indeed are hindering the efforts of these people investigating this phenomon with the attitude portrayed in your posts.

Why ?

[Bruce_TPU]

Good morning All,

The sound is fine on my copy of the video on my computer.  Any idea why it would not be on youtube?  I want all of you to hear it.  I am sorry the sound did not transfer well, and I don't know why.

Did all watch both video's?  Is the sound the same in both of them?

I will make one right next to the motor later today.  It will be more for sound than visual.

My Tachometer arrives Wednesday. 
Anyone I have shown it to in person, see and hear the acceleration.
The reason I spin it so fast to start off, is like I said earlier, there are certain RPM it seems to like.  It is only at these RPM's I see the effect.  One is at the very fast initial speed, another a bit less than that.  It will not accelerate at just any RPM.

It is cool, though, the last few seconds of a wind down.  It just keeps slowly spinning around.  And then it finally stop.  I will have to make a video of this too, so you all can see.  It just shows how close this thing is to being self running.   IMHO


@ Running Bear
Perhaps you can post the amplified wave file of my videos, for every one?

@ Dean
I can tape the stators.  I simply hold them because they are on bearings.  I simply did not want to get gunk on my base.  I still have a replication to make with this base.   

Cheers all,

Bruce 

[FunkyJive]

It's a long shot but there could be an elastic function between the rotor and the stators whereby the stators store some of the energy imparted into the rotor and release it back again. looooooooong shot .. given that there is no quantitative measurements of acceleration.
If we could see that the stators slowed down in relation to the speed gain of the rotor .. then maybe .. but that doesnt seem apparent even from casual observations made of the videos.

Hi Dean.

Yes, sadly video's alone don't provide the frame synchronicity with the rotor in order to appropriately identify the smallest wobbles or point-by-point consistency.

If I had more time available then (as electronics is part of my game) I would probably have knocked-up an opto-reflective sensor to trigger frame-grabs from the rotor position. Irrespective of the rotational velocity, the sensor could slowly and progressively be moved around the rotor in attempting to record consistency and evidence of elasticity during rotation at different speeds (or points of resonance), along with resultant interaction of the moving parts. Replaying the compiled frames would result in very  slow-motion video - independent of rotor speed.

I vaguely recall an earlier post claiming positive effects when the rotor weight  was reduced, so I guess that the corresponding reduction in inertia could add weight to this possibility (no pun originally intended - sorry  ).

Probably easier and just as-well to conduct superficial measurements and tuning though, given that the general specs of the claimed working unit are already defined.


FunkyJive

[RunningBare]

Good morning All,


@ Running Bear
Perhaps you can post the amplified wave file of my videos, for every one?

I'm presently trying to filter the audio, but anyone can hear it if they have a graphic equalizer on there system, cut all frequencies except those from 200hz to 550hz, if need be boost these, to me the acceleration is definitely evident.

@ Dean
I can tape the stators.  I simply hold them because they are on bearings.  I simply did not want to get gunk on my base.  I still have a replication to make with this base.   

Cheers all,

Bruce 

I suggest not using anything that will hold the stators solid, a rubber band around the stator and stretched to a fixed point, this will allow oscillation in the stator, you can also adjust the rubber band to increase or decrease sensitivity to oscillation.

[sterlinga]

No Proof, no independent validation ...just heresay. This would easily be resolved with an independent validation. I have also seen devices accelerate and in every case it could be explained.


At least five people have replicated Al's effect to some degree:

Has any of them got a self runner...lets say runs for a couple of hours, with measured power output, degausing tests???. If it was a straightforward as it appeared on youtube it should be a lot easier. You and I both know a clever engineer who is working on this with no positive results so far. Might I remind you of Perendev, who also had a video on the net with a working motor!!!!

Mark,

What do you mean "no independent validation, just hearsay"?  This is what you call dozens of people building the device, and some of them reporting some accelleration, and some of them reporting some sustained motion?

It seems to me that with your level of skepticism that you would be among the naysayers at the time of the Wright Brothers, saying nothing is flying, though there is a device in the air, with a person aboard, right in front of you.  True, at that time, they were not making trans-oceanic flights with 500 people aboard flying at 500 mph, but were only in the early stages of development.

That is what is happening here.  The early stages of development.  Cut these people some slack, and acknowledge progress and breakthrough when you see it.  As it is, people who don't know you might think you are acting like a paid disinformant, denying progress despite evidence to the contrary, that you know about.

As for Doug Furr's replication of the MPMM, his lack of success is not because his device doesn't work; but is because he has not completed it yet.  He's had some serious setbacks in his shop, with his right-hand-man quiting on him after seven years, etc.

I don't see people saying "We've proven that this magnet motor is capable of producing useful power continuously."  Rather, they are noting some odd behavior that might possibly end up as something useful, but first it must be characterized, understood, and optimized.

[g4macdad]

Bruce,

Nice Vid!

I have sound too.. though i find it hard to perceive the acceleration. Is it at all possible that you can do this by fixing the stators in place with blue tac or something as I can't help but believe you are adding energy into the system (not accusing you of deliberate fakery).

Cheers,
Dean

@Dean
How could he add energy? He did not do any additional movements other than the start up.
hmmm.... maybe he was wiggling his fore finger 

Dean.... why don't U construct one of these little beast? Then U can answer all your own q"s
U must be thinking of the Steorn rep video where the guy was oscillating a magnet to induce rotation ?

Regards
Bill

Specs are too loose and no convincing reps so far, otherwise I would certainly try.

@dean_mcgowan
So, since you plan no attempt at replication, are we to assume that you are simply positioning yourself as a stumbling block to those who are?

If so, what is your ultimate gain if you are successful?

Absolutely contrary to your claim I am totally in favour, should Al offer a full specification and stop this ridiculous guessing game, of doing a complete precise replication with all exact parts at whatever cost.
Since he is not forthcoming with all of these details and will not post a video of the quality commensurate with such a discovery, be it OU or otherwise. Then i plan to voice my opinion of the folly of those that are attempting proofs and hope that they too would put more pressure to gain access to the necessary information.

Hence my success might benefit all involved.

I also am not part of some black book debunking project that some others might try to imply 


Regards,

Dean

Thin defense indeed. Your own Implications are sufficient and I feel no need to do any additional implying. 

[g4macdad]

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[Lakes]

Good morning All,


@ Running Bear
Perhaps you can post the amplified wave file of my videos, for every one?

I'm presently trying to filter the audio, but anyone can hear it if they have a graphic equalizer on there system, cut all frequencies except those from 200hz to 550hz, if need be boost these, to me the acceleration is definitely evident.

@ Dean
I can tape the stators.  I simply hold them because they are on bearings.  I simply did not want to get gunk on my base.  I still have a replication to make with this base.   

Cheers all,

Bruce 

I suggest not using anything that will hold the stators solid, a rubber band around the stator and stretched to a fixed point, this will allow oscillation in the stator, you can also adjust the rubber band to increase or decrease sensitivity to oscillation.

It is very difficult to hear, but turn the volume right up and just after the 1 minute mark (1:03) you can hear it spin up for a while.

[FunkyJive]

I have also seen devices accelerate and in every case it could be explained.

@markdansie

With the greatest of respect, have you seen vehicles that run entirely on water accelerate from the electrolysis of water and liberation of hydrogen gas (i.e. commercial fuel cells that appear to have disappeared underground), or other incarnations that use plasma spark to act upon water vapour as part of re-combinent  (closed loop) systems?

I have spoken at-length to researchers that worked for Mercedes who confirmed that fuel cells were quite advanced and proven, and the latter demonstrable but more costly to produce and commercialise. However, the latter incarnation simply re-used water and reportedly provided substantial power output to accelerate a moving body - as we're trying to replicate with this particular closed-loop design by using magnetic force alone.

I'm not aware of the systems you mention, and don't question at-all what you have seen and experienced to draw your own conclusions (which, if said in sincerity, I respect entirely), but absence of OU discovery wouldn't necessarily infer that the possibility of discovery doesn't exist. My personal conclusion from what I have seen and heard to-date is that it would be wise to remain open and objective, and supportive of the tireless efforts of experimenters from which we can all draw better-informed conclusions.


Peace.

FunkyJive