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[Yadaraf]

RE: Not harmonics but possibly SUB-harmonics?

A new hypothesis:  the HI tone is fundamental and the LO tone is a subharmonic.

This makes some sense, and in fact the HI tone is often higher in amplitude than the LO tone.

(NOTE:  I seem to be talking to myself on this matter.     Anyone's comment is welcome.)

CSI Yadaraf on the scene.


Cheers,   

Yada..
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[Yadaraf]

Some new Videos, these new Stator bearings are great!

First big one for Yada, some sound samples.
http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/CLaNZeR-OCPM-YADA.wmv

Or Youtube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=D9v9ISMlj1g


Next one shows how easy it is to latch into AGW, including all 3 stators going AGW at over 1500RPM.
http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/CLaNZeRSNewBearingsLatch.wmv

Or Youtube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VE3aboJWhY0

New Rotor Dimensions, ummm why did I bother LOL.
http://www.overunity.org.uk/ocpm/CLaNZeRSNew18mmRotor.wmv

Or Youtube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9XG9MaLXVVg

Cheers

Sean.

CLaNZeR,

Copy that.  I'm headed out for a few hours, but will most certainly get to it this evening.  It sounds great!   Sampling should be a breeze.  Thanks.   

... Q:  Sean, do you know anything about this saying?

"Ask any motor person in the world what happens when you run a motor on the fifth harmonic," said Isaiah Cox, CEO of Chorus. "They will tell you it runs in reverse at five times the speed. It is gospel."


Cheers, 

Yada..
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[CLaNZeR]

... Q:  Sean, do you know anything about this saying?

"Ask any motor person in the world what happens when you run a motor on the fifth harmonic," said Isaiah Cox, CEO of Chorus. "They will tell you it runs in reverse at five times the speed. It is gospel."

I have seen this before from people selling Motor Protectors and they mention faile safe against the 5th harmonic as a feature.

Quick search on google brings up loads and even part of some FAQ's

http://www.myronzucker.com/faq.html#q10

Cheers

Sean.

[Yadaraf]

... Q:  Sean, do you know anything about this saying?

"Ask any motor person in the world what happens when you run a motor on the fifth harmonic," said Isaiah Cox, CEO of Chorus. "They will tell you it runs in reverse at five times the speed. It is gospel."

I have seen this before from people selling Motor Protectors and they mention faile safe against the 5th harmonic as a feature.

Quick search on google brings up loads and even part of some FAQ's

http://www.myronzucker.com/faq.html#q10

Cheers

Sean.

CLaNZeR,

Thanks.  The fact that you've heard the saying is encouraging to me.  If you would, please keep an open mind about the effect of a fifth harmonic on the WhipMag.  From what I gather, it produces "run-away" and overspeeding, but might be needed for these devices.  Al's device appears to demonstrate something like it.


Cheers,   

Yada..
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[Grimer]

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(NOTE:  I seem to be talking to myself on this matter.     Anyone's comment is welcome.)

CSI Yadaraf on the scene.

Cheers,   

Yada..
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Well done Yadaraf.  CSI indeed. 

Following one of your references I found the following excerpt:

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http://www.memagazine.org/mepower01/5thharm/5thharm.html

For the fifth harmonic of the incoming current, 300 electrical degrees separate the pole/phase groups, Bourne said. That's five times the separation of the fundamental phases. But 300 degrees is really minus 60 degrees for a periodic function, Bourne explained.

So adjacent phases of the fundamental and the harmonic frequencies are exactly opposite. For a three-phase machine, that means that the fifth harmonic creates a field of the same number of poles as the fundamental, but with a negative phase sequence, Bourne said. And that field rotates counter to the fundamental, at five times the speed.
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In January on Fizzx.com I wrote:

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I believe that AGW stator rotation is the point where power being consumed becomes power being gained.

If my belief is correct it follows that anyone who achieves AGW has in fact managed to draw power from the magnetic potential, the magnetic pressure of the environment.

Of course merely achieving AGW will not guarantee the kind of continuous running that Alan has shown us.

To achieve continuous running the power input has to be greater than the power output, obviously; has to be greater in other words that the losses due to windage (air resistance), friction in the bearings, eddy currents and any other losses I haven't thought of.

If the onset of AGW does mark the point at which power is being obtained from the environment then there should be a change in the slowdown of the central rotor.
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This move to the fifth harmonic seems to be the key to reversing the travel around the BH loop from the refrigeration cycle already well understood to the power cycle which Steorn have been attempting to harness.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/frank260332/AlsetalokinPowerBHloop.jpg

[ezzob]

Well i think is time that Al say something, its all a big smoke screen

And it cost people money and time.

Regards

[Harvey]

hi everyone i was watching the video again and around 2:09 through 2:11  someone says something... does anyone know what he says?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIvZJ9xGutI

The background voice appears to be asking "Aren't those too high?"

 

[Bruce_TPU]

Good Afternoon all,

Received MY rotor in today!  (Finally!  I am very happy!  LOL)

A couple of weights and measures only, for now.

Rotor Weight
228 grams

Magnet Weights
24 grams

Bearings
2 grams

Total = 254 Grams  I am very satisfied with that.  Only 4 grams short.

Stator Bearing Assembly Weight
10 grams  Perfect!

Separation between rotor edge and stator
5 mm  Perfect!

I still need to grind screw heads.  I will start on that tomorrow.  I hope for live testing next week.  I will have to use golf tees until I find the proper nylon 4-40 screws, for the dampers.

@ Sean
Are you using lubricant for any of your bearings?

@ Harvey
Is there a chance that Al's effect could be caused by induced current into the bearings, visa via the rotor magnets.  And then with the magnet above, together, the stator acting as a homopolar generator?
If so, then using a non conductive lubricant could screw up the works? 
To lube or not to lube, that is the question!?!?   

Cheers,

Bruce

[Omnibus]

@CLaNZeR,

Great videos. As always. I gotta tell you, the behavior of your rig is exactly as mine (I like the addition of the rosette in yours) regarding the AGW lock. Now we should consider established that achieving AGW lock isn?t a problem but that?s not the crucial factor for the effect of acceleration to appear as we were led to believe by @alsetalokin. There must be something else working in concert with the AGW lock to bring in the effect. The good news is that we only have just a few parameters to tinker with in exploring what that 'something else' might be. The bad news is that it isn?t straightforward to fiddle with the magnetic field which is one of the parameters or to second guess what exact company the proper bearings come from. One thing we may do, though, is to start from a lower rotor weight and start adding pieces of plastic or lead or whatever to see if we could reach a happier weight. 

I?m not sure what @Yadaraf  is trying to achieve with his 5-th harmonic (as far as I understand that?s detrimental for the motor?s run) but it?ll be interesting to see how different your and my rig will sound having in mind that, all the rest probably the same, my base is thicker (almost 18mm) and your bearings come probably from a different source than mine.

P.S. You wouldn't have any rpm vs. time curves taken with your tachometer with and without AGW lock, would you? It'll be interesting to see how they compare at the very beginning of the AGW lock. I remember in your earlier graphs you published here there were some peculiarities worth paying attention, I think.

[Omnibus]

@Grimer,

You posted somewhere the following:

" I believe that AGW stator rotation is the point where power being consumed becomes power being gained. "

That isn't obvious, however. Could you please elaborate on that?