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[dean_mcgowan]

@All,

Has anyone considered yet this might be a xaoh ?

Cheers,

Dean

Well, of course we have.  We've just concluded that we don't know for sure and we've decided to try to find out. 

But, you obviously already know without a shadow of a doubt that it is a hoax - so what does it matter to you?  You are not invested.  You contribute nothing but your negativity.  Why continue to pay attention?  What an incredible waste of time for you.  If I were you I would just leave here feeling smug and superior and not come back. 

But - you don't do that.  You continue to lurk.  Periodically you surface to let us know how superior you are to us.  Why?  Ask yourself what's in it for you - and if you find that it's all about the potential opportunity to get a rise out of bringing other people down - then do us a favor and let us come to our own conclusions in our own time.  Maybe we're just behind you, and eventually we'll all agree with you.  But - maybe not.  It doesn't really matter, right?  Regardless, it's our time.  It's our money.  It's our choice.  This discussion is for the people who think that maybe there is something here.  There are other locations to go to commiserate about how potentially foolish we are.  This discussion isn't for that.  Thanks.

Maybe if you applied your superb character and motivation assessment skills to the proponent of this "concept" that you are so invested in you may have read the writing on the wall a little sooner and not be so jazzed at me for pointing to the blindingly obvious.

[Yadaraf]

@All,

Has anyone considered yet this might be a xaoh ?

Cheers,

Dean

Well, of course we have.  We've just concluded that we don't know for sure and we've decided to try to find out. 

But, you obviously already know without a shadow of a doubt that it is a hoax - so what does it matter to you?  You are not invested.  You contribute nothing but your negativity.  Why continue to pay attention?  What an incredible waste of time for you.  If I were you I would just leave here feeling smug and superior and not come back. 

But - you don't do that.  You continue to lurk.  Periodically you surface to let us know how superior you are to us.  Why?  Ask yourself what's in it for you - and if you find that it's all about the potential opportunity to get a rise out of bringing other people down - then do us a favor and let us come to our own conclusions in our own time.  Maybe we're just behind you, and eventually we'll all agree with you.  But - maybe not.  It doesn't really matter, right?  Regardless, it's our time.  It's our money.  It's our choice.  This discussion is for the people who think that maybe there is something here.  There are other locations to go to commiserate about how potentially foolish we are.  This discussion isn't for that.  Thanks.

Maybe if you applied your superb character and motivation assessment skills to the proponent of this "concept" that you are so invested in you may have read the writing on the wall a little sooner and not be so jazzed at me for pointing to the blindingly obvious.

Blue, Dean,

Concerning the issue of a "hoax," after I read the early dialog between Al and OC -- see attached 131-page transcript -- I thought Al was being sincere.

Q:  What do you think about the early dialog in the transcript?

Cheers,   

Yada..
.

[Yadaraf]

CLaNZeR, Omni, Blue,

RE Spectral analysis

I'm behind on studying the various WMV files that you've provide, and apologize. 

After I built the Lego rig, I noticed the vibratory (tonal?) phenomenon as well and have been investigating it by building other Lego models.  I'm refining my hypothesis concerning the consequences of positive acoustic, vibratory, or oscillatory feedback, and am headed out for more parts.  If I'm successful, I'll produce a second video this evening.  In any event I'm having fun.

Concerning Al's device, I've hypothesized that the tone might be produced as the result of magnetic "turbulence" occurring every 3/8 rotation of the octagonal rotor.  The rhythmic turbulence causes the bearing elements -- balls, cylinders -- to slosh back and forth like beer at Bela Fleck concert.   

Cheers,   

Yada..
.

[blue_energy]

@All,

Has anyone considered yet this might be a xaoh ?

Cheers,

Dean

Well, of course we have.  We've just concluded that we don't know for sure and we've decided to try to find out. 

But, you obviously already know without a shadow of a doubt that it is a hoax - so what does it matter to you?  You are not invested.  You contribute nothing but your negativity.  Why continue to pay attention?  What an incredible waste of time for you.  If I were you I would just leave here feeling smug and superior and not come back. 

But - you don't do that.  You continue to lurk.  Periodically you surface to let us know how superior you are to us.  Why?  Ask yourself what's in it for you - and if you find that it's all about the potential opportunity to get a rise out of bringing other people down - then do us a favor and let us come to our own conclusions in our own time.  Maybe we're just behind you, and eventually we'll all agree with you.  But - maybe not.  It doesn't really matter, right?  Regardless, it's our time.  It's our money.  It's our choice.  This discussion is for the people who think that maybe there is something here.  There are other locations to go to commiserate about how potentially foolish we are.  This discussion isn't for that.  Thanks.

Maybe if you applied your superb character and motivation assessment skills to the proponent of this "concept" that you are so invested in you may have read the writing on the wall a little sooner and not be so jazzed at me for pointing to the blindingly obvious.

What do you have to gain here, Dean?  Are you just trying to find an argument with someone?  How pointless!  What difference does it make to you whether we're wrong or not?  So what?  Why do you care?  Why should we care that you think so?  Go find some grade-schoolers to bully - but, go away!

[MeggerMan]

Hey Dean,
I'm gonna get a caining for this one...I think I may be related to you, as I think my grandmothers maiden name was McGowan, first name Maisy.
Lived in Lossiemouth I think.
Probably need to check the family tree though.

@All,
Anyone notice that Harvey over on Fizzix forum is a lot like Al?...I could be wrong, but I have this funny feeling about it.

Regards
Rob

[FunkyJive]

@All,

Has anyone considered yet this might be a xaoh ?

Cheers,

Dean

I believe that the persistence of experimenters working on this project arises from three factors, namely (1) that Alsetalokin appeared to have a working unit that looked quite plausible; (2) the desire to be amongst the first to succeed at replicating the results shown in the original video; (3) it's fun trying.

On the second point, success would result in nothing less than major kudos and pure euphoria for the achiever, and for most is a lot of fun trying the many possible variations and incarnations whilst facing persistent questions and challenges. In particular, having a lot of fun whilst searching for the proverbial golden chalice has got to be worth more than the relatively small investment constructing test model(s).

By way of example, millions of people spend millions every week on the national lottery in the forlorn hope of hitting the jackpot against near-impossible odds, though as they say... "You've got to be in it to win it"     However, Alsetalokin's convincing video demonstration might be taken to suggest that the odds of success are considerably greater than winning the lottery jackpot and therefore understandable that many experimenters will continue trying to succeed.

Only after the greatest time and effort has been expended could the answer become abundantly clear, though with so many outstanding questions and lack of understanding I believe we're still at the starting block.


All the best,

FunkyJive

[whetherman]

@All,
Anyone notice that Harvey over on Fizzix forum is a lot like Al?...I could be wrong, but I have this funny feeling about it.

Wow, I just went back and read some of Harvey's posts on fizzx.  It does sound a lot like Al.  I think you nailed this one.

[ask]

I noticed two things in Al's first video.

At 00:31 when he turn the stator bvetween the dampers, the roter didn't move much. Seems to me the 3 stators megnets are different, the one in between the dampers is weeker then the other two.

At 02:35 when he stops the two stators, they were all facing same direction. But when he realesed his hand, the two black poles turned facing the center of the rotor. Why?

I found his video 3 days ago, read a lot and very excited!

I believe Al discovered something new and we will find out more soon.

Thanks everyone in this game, let's enjoy it to the max!

[ask]

Was major in physics. Droped out due to low grades, not able to pass calcules or English.

But this motor got my mind. Really like to donate few sents left in my pocket into the pot. Just thoughts, no theory or math. Don't laugh at me please.

First of all, I believe open minds are believing everything is possible. Time is not ready, science is  young... We have all the possiblities on our side.

In Al's motor (I believe it did came from a dream) design, I see the only known force is megnetic force. The stator megnet works like a piston (in a gasoline motor), gives the rotor a kick in every turn. The kick includs ac/de celeration to the rotor. The good news is, the piston drinks gas and smokes O2 but the megnet kicks for free.

Al's video showed clearly the acceleration force is greater. Why is the question. My guase, timing, angle, phase, megnet stranth etc are all in play. 

Why not? Simple is beauty. Megnet is one of the best gifts God made for us. After we married megnet, we might couquer gravity sooner.

Good luck everyone. It's about time!

[Bruce_TPU]

Hello All,

I have been unable to achieve AGW even one time with this new rotor, using N38's in the rotor.  I hope to contact Mike tomorrow about the identical bearings as Al's.  Sorry it is taking a bit.

I did oil yesterday, the rotor bearings.  Reading Omni's post, that was a bad idea.  I have even tried to use a dremel to achieve AGW and it will not lock.  Any ideas?

@ Sean, Omni and Bill and Andrea
Are all of you using screws that are attracted to a magnet, inside of your stators, as Al was?? 

@ Rob
Tell me it isn't so!!  LOL   

Cheers all,

Bruce

[ask]

Some people posted on youtube or forum about the motor. Saying even Al's motor is real thing, it has no future becuase when adding a load, it will slow down and die.

I don't agree at all. Here's why.

After Al finger started his motor, it speed up. The rotor gets like 1700 rpm. The energy gain is what we need. At worst, we can build a rotor weights a lot, use small energy to start it up, and let it die on the pick speed. Use that wind down energy to charge battery. When it stops, re start it again.

Am I have a point?

[vipond50]

Hello All,

I have been unable to achieve AGW even one time with this new rotor, using N38's in the rotor.  I hope to contact Mike tomorrow about the identical bearings as Al's.  Sorry it is taking a bit.

I did oil yesterday, the rotor bearings.  Reading Omni's post, that was a bad idea.  I have even tried to use a dremel to achieve AGW and it will not lock.  Any ideas?

@ Sean, Omni and Bill and Andrea
Are all of you using screws that are attracted to a magnet, inside of your stators, as Al was?? 

@ Rob
Tell me it isn't so!!  LOL   

Cheers all,

Bruce

Hi Bruce
Well I have been there to and it is frustrating. What i did to reduce the magnetic effect between the bearing and the Stator mag was to temporarily install a small Steel washer between the two. The washer will attach its self bas expected, but will reduce or change the magnetic field effecting the the freeness of rotation. The main thing is that the washer dies not touch the cap screw. U will know it due to the noise. Give this a shot and see how it effects AGW.

I also machined up a brass bushing assembly to replace the bearing in the stator. The setup turns very freely when clear of the rotor and at very low rotor turns(rpm's), but as the rotation Ve's increase the stator locks up. Ended up removing the assembly and went back to bearings. Just had to try it to see.

The SHCS that I used are 316 SS alloy so the magnetic response is very, very low.
Hope this helps

Best Regards
Bill

[Omnibus]

@Bruce_TPU,

I did oil yesterday, the rotor bearings.  Reading Omni's post, that was a bad idea.  I have even tried to use a dremel to achieve AGW and it will not lock.  Any ideas?

Did you use specifically ?Liquid Wrench Lubricating and Penetrating Oil? and not any other lubricant? Like I said, this particular one applied to the stator (not so much to the rotor) made the big difference in my rig. It was like night and day regarding the AGW lock.

[Omnibus]

@Bruce_TPU,

Forgot to answer this (sorry about that):

Are all of you using screws that are attracted to a magnet, inside of your stators, as Al was?? 

No, my stator shafts (screws) are non-magnetic, they are not attracted to a magnet.

[Bruce_TPU]

@ Omni
I used precision lubricator from Radio Shack.

@ Bill
Thank you for the tip, I will try it.

Big Question:
Were Al's screws for his stators magnetic or non magnetic?    

If you do not think it matters, then think about each stator screw acting as a damper both to the stator and rotor, throwing the whole thing off.

I would suggest switching to magnetic screws to test, and attempting to achieve AGW lock and see if there is a difference!   

Cheers,

Bruce