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[Steven Dufresne]

Photos attached from February 11, 2008 demonstration given by Thane Heins at the University of Ottawa. I didn't take a lot of photos since everything that was there was the same as in the demonstration videos available online.
-Steve
http://rimstar.og

[LarryC]

Hi All,

Please note the following statement from the news article:

'Heins adds that he and his colleagues ?have coupling from the primary to the secondary. The reluctance flux path in the secondary is lower because either the secondary core area is greater or because we employ core material with a higher relative permeability which results in a decrease in reluctance. When the secondary reluctance is lower - back EMF induced flux from secondary coil 1 must follow the path of least reluctance into secondary 2 and not back to the primary. The primary operates only at magnetizing current levels (reactive current only) and does not draw any non-reactive current from the source. The law of conservation of energy for a transformer requires secondary back EMF to be able to mutually couple back to the primary - but if this flux path is higher it will not be able to do so.?

In order for the back EMF induced flux in core 1 to follow the path of least reluctance into core 2, the cores must be in direct contact at the center point. Each core may be a half circle at the point of contact. Please note that the drawing in the article shows that if the circles were extended they would overlap.

If there is any spacing between the two cores caused by the coating, etc, the induced flux in core 1 will not jump to core 2 as the air gap will not be the least reluctance path. You would only get the induced flux causes by the  current in the center wire wrapping. This may be why when Groundloop switched cores the results were the same. Also, the two cores must be closer than two cores just touching as they would easily saturate at the point of contact. Half of each core at the point of contact would best help the flux switching to the second core.


Regards, LarryC


 

[Groundloop]

Steven,

Thank you for providing the information and images.

If the "o/u" transformer is only 100% effective (or less) then I see no need to continue reaserach on my replica.
Same old story, we are not quite there yet.

@LarryC,

Thank you for the information.

Groundloop.

[Steven Dufresne]

LarryC,
If the cores were ground down flat to about half their thickness, not their diameter but the thickness of the ring material, and then joined would that do?
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

[argona369]

@argona369 and @abassign,

An saturable reactor uses a DC current to switch a larger AC current.
My replica device uses no DC current to switch the output on or off.

The difference is that my circuit use NO power to do the switching.
So I do NOT agree that my replica circuit is an saturable reactor.

Groundloop.

your right i think,a second look and it is a bit different than a mag amp.
there are different configurations of mag amps but i don't think this is one of them
as all the power transfers through the control winding.
interesting idea to chop the control to stop feedback btw.

[RunningBare]

Anyone know if the demonstration website has gone for good?
http://www.g9toengineering.com/backemf/demonstration.htm

[LarryC]

LarryC,
If the cores were ground down flat to about half their thickness, not their diameter but the thickness of the ring material, and then joined would that do?
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

Yes, that is what I trying to indicate, but you stated it clearer.

Thanks, LarryC

[gotoluc]

Anyone know if the demonstration website has gone for good?
http://www.g9toengineering.com/backemf/demonstration.htm

Yes it is gone somehow. Thane sent me an email today saying:

Someone removed Dr. Habash's (Riadh Habash, PhD, P.Eng. of Ottawa University) webpage but it was not him and he doesn't know who would do it - but it is gone...
 
Thane

I'll keep you posted

Luc

[hartiberlin]

Hi Steve,
many thanks for the report and the pictures.
So how many people attended the demo ?

Was Prof Zahn also there ?
What did he say ?

So the claim of an already existing overunity transformer
was just an exxageration of an external blogger ?

So is it just impedance matching or do you still feel that there is more to it ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[gotoluc]

Hello to all,

I have not yet posted my finding of the semi private demonstration of Thane Heins generator which was held at the University of Ottawa, School of Information Technology and Engineering (SITE) which Dr. Riadh Habash, PhD, P.Eng. is responsible for.

Present at the demonstration held on February 11th 2008, was me, Luc (gotoluc), Steve (Steven Dufresne), Harry (hveeder) who are all members of this forum, (user names). Also to note, we all live in Ottawa. The only other person there was one reporter of a local radio station.

Thane did 2 demonstrations for us and and later supplied me with all the Data sheets which I posted below.

The one named: (OverUnity Group Demo) is the results of the 2 tests.

Also find 3 test data sheets named: (KINECTRICS TEST DATA) and (KINECTRICS TEST MAGNET COUPLER) sheet

Plus 2 sheets named: (Toroid Coil Evolution)

And to top it off, 2 sheets of his transformer named: (BI - Toroid Transformer)

I must say I am very satisfied with the demonstration and find Thane Heins findings of the effect to be true as shown in all his video's (part 1 to 7)

THE EFFECT IS REAL BOYS AND GIRLS all the way to the permanent magnets increasing the rpm of the split phase induction motor. I have it recorded with my own video camera. If anyone wants to see it please let me know and I can post it on youtube or maybe Stefan can have me post the original MP4 video on this site.

@Groundloop, Thank you for your great attempts to replicate Thane's transformer, mostly with so little information available at the time and I hope the information I just posted will encourage you to continue with the support of all of us here. Thane will contine to send me what he can to help us reach the goal.

Thank you all for your participation.

Luc

[Groundloop]

@gotoluc,

Thank you for providing the information. I will study it and see what to do next.
As I said before, the magnetic coupling effect is real and the switching of
this effect does not require any operator input of power. So if there is a way
to get around the Lentz law with this device then there could be some o/u.

I will study the information and report back on my progress.

Groundloop.

[dani1]

gotoluc, please provide us the youtube Link to your video.
Thanks in advance...

[Steven Dufresne]

Hi Stefan,

So how many people attended the demo ?

Was Prof Zahn also there ?
What did he say ?

Luc has already answered the first question. Regarding Prof Zahn, as of the demo Thane hadn't heard back from him yet.

So the claim of an already existing overunity transformer
was just an exxageration of an external blogger ?

So is it just impedance matching or do you still feel that there is more to it ?

I have nothing more on this than what was in my report. Though we do now have the more up-to-date schematic that Luc posted. I do remember that when I asked Thane about it he said that the little picture on the blogger's webpage was wrong, another case of the blogger posting too soon. So now we have the right one, a much better design too since the secondaries are entirely on the higher permeability core.

Two other things I forgot to report...
- I did bring a printout of the posts by blindsangar, DMBoss, and others re what they thought it might be with the intent of giving it to him so he could read them on his own, and since I'm not expert enough to convey them in my own words. However, Thane didn't want it since he is using this corporate partners, university contacts, ... for feedback and evaluation. He did volunteer, without my asking, that he had heard about the speculation that it was a hysteresis brake and he said he'd eliminated that possibility. I didn't ask how though.
- In the photos I posted you can see some green wrapped coils facing the wheel on an angle. These were attempts by Thane to put coils on both sides of the wheel. This caused too many cogging problems so he reoriented them so that they would not have any effect.

Incidentally, I did say in my report that the was wheel available at Lee Valley Hardware, a store in Ottawa. I purchased one today in case I want to replicate it some time. If anyone would like one then just send me a private message either through overunity.com's message system or to my email address in my profile. The cost is $30.00 CDN (which is also around $30.00 US) plus shipping. It is just the spoked wheel and does not include the rings that are welded on to hold the magnets.

-Steve
http://rimstar.org

[Steven Dufresne]

In case anyone out there is like me and needs to see how there might be at least a remote glimmer of possibility where excess energy could be entering into the transformer before proceeding with experiments... If ZPE is electromagnetic waves (instead of just electric waves) then the fluxing of the low permeability core could be "stimulating" ZPE electromagnetic waves to enter at the junction between the low permeability core and the high permeability core - sort of like a transistor/diode.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

[gotoluc]

gotoluc, please provide us the youtube Link to your video.
Thanks in advance...

@dani1 I have not yet uploaded the video's to my youtube account since it takes lots of time and bandwith to upload and I was waiting to see it there is a large enough interest to do so. Also my video is not showing anything diffrent than what you can see in Thane's video's. The only thing is it was done in the presence of 3 members of this forum and with my own video camera.

I will do it if Stefan requests for my video's to be posted or if 2 more members ask for it.

Thank you for your interest

Luc